Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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BTW, I wasn't talking about the Catholic Church in my earlier post. I was talking about the Bible. You changed the meanings of scripture. Why? Was the Holy Spirit wrong before?

C - Contaminated
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Are you saying, Kay, that you worship the Bible?
Are you calling Paul's letters to the Church @ Corinth, JESUS?
That is insanity.
You people have done so much damage to sacred scripture its sickening.

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I said "BIBLE", Clay, not "Pauline Epistles". However, the CC claims to have given us the Bible. If they didn't approve Paul, WHY did they include him???

Peter, who is supposed to be your leader, said that all scripture was given by God, written as He inspired it. Peter said that, Our BELOVED brother, Paul...wrote of many things HARD TO UNDERSTAND which unstable souls wrest (twist) TO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION.

Peter spoke honorably of Paul. I don't trust those who discredit either of them.

I worship God/Jesus, Who IS the Word of God. What He says, not what somebody SAYS that He says... I don't know whether is it still their stand, but at one time they told their people that reading the Word was dangerous; only the priest could interpret it.

Read your Bible, Clay. Let IT be your guide. Scripture says that ALL the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are in HIM (the Word). It reveals things past our knowledge. The meaning of ten names in one chapter of the Old Testament reveal the gospel story before Jesus is mentioned. Our knowledge/understanding is imperfect, but He brings us to understanding if we seek Him.

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who="Live Action" With another Pagan holiday around the corner one the cerebrates. the murder of over 12 million natives.It is a time to give thanks.well everyday is time to give thanks.Sheeple are pagan and don't even know it.
no where in the scripture does it ever mention a holiday. it does tell you to keep his feast days and his sabbath.only a very few do.
we have been lied to by the roman catholick church every church for that matter.the world is sick along with the people I give thanks for the creator Yahweh for the understanding he gave me and for letting me see how evil the world really is........May father Yahweh give each and everyone of you the understanding you need and the ability to see what this church has done to the world.they have defiled the scripture added to and took away and just left many things out....And yet the united states sends out army's to change religion.to push a man made god on the world.
If the roman catholick church is the woman the beast then the united states is the evil beastly system being the hand of rome.
And the message will be preached to to world and then the end will come.
one last thing the fish comes from the god of dagon the pope wears it and it is on many cars and trucks and many business cards.how brain washed is the world.
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Thanksgiving is a PAGAN holiday? You don't sound very thankful...so I guess that explains it.
The closer I get to God, the more He shows me the greatness of His world and people. If all you see is evil, you need a new picture. The evil will pass away.
God promoted no holidays? Do you know what 'holiday'(HOLY DAY) means?
Doesn't the Bible say that the 'unthankful' will not enter heaven?
KayMarie
brainwashed much...
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<quoted text> I agree. It was mans laws the mosanic laws that was nailed to the cross that God desired mercy on and not sacrifice of ox, bulls, goats, sheep, doves etc.
Grace by no means is a liscense to sin. I believe when we are changed in the twinkling of an eye is when Gods new covenant that Christ is the mediator of and shed his blood for is implemented and God puts his commandments in out hearts to were we keep them and sin no more. We are raised incorruptable at that time. Yes you are correct we will be keeping them in heaven.
Yahweh Bless.
with out question you have understanding more so than anyone on this thread.not because you sometimes you agree with me.but because you have common since.Yahweh bless.
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The Eucharist

Isaiah 62:8-9

The Lord has sworn by His right hand and mighty arm "I will not again give you grain to be food for your enemies, and foreigners shall not drink your wine for which you have labored; But those who garner it shall eat it and praise the Lord, and those who gather it shall drink it in the courts of my sanctuary"

Revelation 2:17
"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the Churches. To Him who conquers, I will give him some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone which no one knows accept him who receives it"

Mathew 26:26-28
Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread and blessed and broke it, and gave it to His disciples and said "Take this all of you and eat of it, for this IS MY BODY. And He took a chalice, when He had given thanks, He gave it to them saying "Drink of it all of you, for THIS IS MY BLOOD, which will be poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins".
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7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
<quoted text>Not sure Thanksgiving was gleaned from any Pagan Holiday. Is it a man made Holiday yes but not in connection to paganism. It is good to be Thankful to Christ for supplying our needs and blessing in this life.
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Just my thoughts.
It is great to be thankful but i give thanks everyday and as for thanks giving it reminds me of the 12 million natives that were killed.
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Nov 22, 2012
 
Robert F wrote:
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KayMarie good friend
Nicely said....
You wrote, "We try to follow lots of 'rules';"
I would add, that when we try to live up to rules of doing good, we get tangled up....
Gal 5:22-23
the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."
There is first of all love, but then a sense of joy, and not of drudgery or a heavy heart in doing God's Will.
This is why angels fly...(smile)
Robert F, first thank you for your responses to me awhile back,concerning charismatic gifts and so on.Those things are of God,and some times we best leave them alone right? But you have come such a long way.I remember when you were contemplating becoming a Muslim.Well now you are a staunch and serious minded Christian,walking in the knowledge you received so freely from the Holy Spirit of Promise.Praise God for every blessing,every revelation of truth,and every moment we have with Him who is above all.

I am excited for you Robert F. and I surely hope someday God will let us cross paths when we enter into that great and glorious Kingdom.Our titles and affiliations will be a thing of the past,we will be known as He is known,before the Wonderful Lord we longed for and will be with someday.

May God richly bless you! Christmas is around the corner,and I want to give you a tip of a very beautiful Romanian Christmas song it is called "DIN RAIUL CEL LUMINOS" sung by Ghita Munteanu,look it up in youtube.com , it is something worth listening to.

I hope that your Thanksgiving was good,and that your family is doing well.

a friend in Christ. DAN.
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confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Clay"
Are you saying, Kay, that you worship the Bible?
Are you calling Paul's letters to the Church @ Corinth, JESUS?
That is insanity.
You people have done so much damage to sacred scripture its sickening.
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I said "BIBLE", Clay, not "Pauline Epistles". However, the CC claims to have given us the Bible. If they didn't approve Paul, WHY did they include him???
Peter, who is supposed to be your leader, said that all scripture was given by God, written as He inspired it. Peter said that, Our BELOVED brother, Paul...wrote of many things HARD TO UNDERSTAND which unstable souls wrest (twist) TO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION.
Peter spoke honorably of Paul. I don't trust those who discredit either of them.
I worship God/Jesus, Who IS the Word of God. What He says, not what somebody SAYS that He says... I don't know whether is it still their stand, but at one time they told their people that reading the Word was dangerous; only the priest could interpret it.
Read your Bible, Clay. Let IT be your guide. Scripture says that ALL the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are in HIM (the Word). It reveals things past our knowledge. The meaning of ten names in one chapter of the Old Testament reveal the gospel story before Jesus is mentioned. Our knowledge/understanding is imperfect, but He brings us to understanding if we seek Him.
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KayMarie
I did read my Bible. A lot!

I don't come to the same conclusions about scripture as you.

Hey, are you cooking a turkey today? Or you guys going someplace else? Either way, have a happy Thanksgiving!
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Nov 22, 2012
 
Michael wrote:
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Thats what its all about.......divide yourself from others.
You're just mad because your wife is going to make you sit at the childrens table again! for thanksgiving.
I can just hear him now. Lord Bless this food thou hast prepared for me in the prescense of mine enemy.

You do know Preston blames everything on his wife and it is her FAULT !!!!

Poor Woman.
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preston wrote:
<quoted text>what you just gave me is proof on one thing.
THAT YOU ARE A LIAR, NUFF SAID.
REEMMER THAT ONE WORD HAT YOU WER GOING TO DO COCNCERNING ME.
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IGNORED"
WRONG PRESTON!!

I posted IGNORED! to you in my post just 2.5 hrs ago. Read post #403,970.

I had to relinquish the IGNORE sign because I couldn't help myself. You are so easy to make fun of.


Its only a lie if you believe its a lie. It wasn't a lie.

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Nov 22, 2012
 
Live Action wrote:
<quoted text>It is great to be thankful but i give thanks everyday and as for thanks giving it reminds me of the 12 million natives that were killed.
Are you Native? I am part. My Grandma was Ojibway. My Dad half. Me a quarter.
Anyway, Natives killed each other long before the Europeans stepped foot here. Tribes hated each other more than they hated the white man.
Read about the Iroquois from present day New York. They were notorious for capturing area lands from other Natives; enslaving and/or killing them. These guys would have eventually took over all of America doing God knows what to other tribes.

And today? Don't think for a second that the Ojibway and Souix here in MN have a friendly rivalry. They hate each other still.
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Michael wrote:
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Preston says.......if i am this evil, why is God helping me out SO MUCH?
Michael says......I don't even go to church, and my health is perfect and that of a 30 year old stallion. Too bad for you and your poor health. I have healthy children, grand children, 2 collector cars, money in my investments and life couldn' be better at age 63.
Why do 30,000 children starve to death everyday in our world? Why is God helping you and not them?
Why do 10,000 americans suffer and die in vehicle accidents every year? Why is God helping you and not them?
Why do thousands of pain suffering people die of cancer, lukemia, heart disease every year? Why is God not helping them but has time to help you with your trivial problems?
Its all in your head, and I just gave you the proof above.
UNBELIEVABLE!
Michael it is kind of like having with a special needs or mentaly challenged child or family member. When we have the love of Christ in us we reach out and help those with the most need. It does not mean we love our other children less because we choose to spend our time where we are most needed to help the less fortunate through this life.
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<quoted text>with out question you have understanding more so than anyone on this thread.not because you sometimes you agree with me.but because you have common since.Yahweh bless.
not to bust your bubble, "knowhim: but this guy follows ellen white, a false prophetess, so dont be fooled by him.he aint what you think that he is.

his chuch condemms every person to hell that dont follow ellen white
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Clay wrote:
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I did read my Bible. A lot!
I don't come to the same conclusions about scripture as you.
Hey, are you cooking a turkey today? Or you guys going someplace else? Either way, have a happy Thanksgiving!
Clay, I have to work,but we get a free meal at the hospital I work in.
I am happy that you love the Lord Clay,and that is the most important thing,that in fact you love and worship the only ONE who gives eternal life to us:Father,Son and Holy Spirit.May the LORD our GOD not only bless you dear one,but your family as well,as HE gives and gives more grace! Enjoy the family and turkey,there is something so special about Thanksgiving,I remember so many in the past that added to my spiritual life today.

Take care DAN.
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Live Action wrote:
<quoted text>with out question you have understanding more so than anyone on this thread.not because you sometimes you agree with me.but because you have common since.Yahweh bless.
live and learn, jadahim.

Seventh-day Adventists teach the following about the Ellen White:

1. Ellen G. White plays a central role in the SDA Church. One of the "27 Fundamental Beliefs" of the SDA Church is that Ellen White manifested the gift of prophecy and her writings are "authoritative" for the Adventist Church:

"18. The Gift of Prophecy: One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White. As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested.(Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)"
Adventists have two "inspired" sources of truth: The Bible and the writings of Ellen G. White, which they refer to as the Spirit of Prophecy. Adventists say that the Bible is their primary source of guidance. It is called the "greater light". As recently as 2005, the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists reaffirmed in a statement entitled "Resolution on the Spirit of Prophecy" that Mrs. White's writings contain "divine counsel" and are a source of "guidance, instruction, correction" for the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Mrs. White's writings, although much more voluminous than the Bible writings, are referred to as the "lesser light".

2. Revelation 12:17 provides two identifying marks of the true remnant church in the last days:

http://www.nonsda.org/study10.shtml
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Live Action wrote:
<quoted text>It is great to be thankful but i give thanks everyday and as for thanks giving it reminds me of the 12 million natives that were killed.
Sorry if I thought you were an atheist,I guess you aren't after all.Enjoy your day,don't eat too much,never good for the intestinal tract.
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continued;

2. Revelation 12:17 provides two identifying marks of the true remnant church in the last days:

They keep the "Commandments of God", including the fourth commandment to keep the Sabbath holy.
They have the "faith of Jesus" which Revelation 19:10 identifies as the "Spirit of Prophecy".
The Spirit of Prophecy was manifested in the life and writings of Ellen G. White. Therefore, the SDA Church is the only church that has the identifying marks of the remnant church of Revelation.

"The Bible assures us that the gift of prophecy will be active in the last days of this earth's history. It says the church will possess all the spiritual gifts, including the "testimony of Jesus," which is the "spirit of prophecy," or the gift of prophecy (1 Cor. 1:4-47; Rev. 12:17; 19:10)
"Seventh-day Adventists believe that the gift of prophecy was manifested in the life and work of Ellen G. White, one of the early leaders of the church."2
Baptisimal candidates in the SDA Church must pledge allegiance to the belief that the "gift of prophecy" is an identifying mark of the remnant church:

"I accept the Biblical teaching of spiritual gifts, and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the identifying marks of the remnant church.... I accept that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the remnant church of Bible prophecy."3
3. According to Adventist leaders, the writings of Ellen G. White are "inspired" by the Holy Spirit in the same way as the Biblical authors were inspired.

ADVENTIST REVIEW: "As Samuel was a prophet to Israel in his day, as Jeremiah was a prophet to Israel in the day of captivity, as John the Baptist came as a special messenger of the Lord to prepare the way of Christ's appearing, so we believe that Mrs. White was a prophet to the church of Christ today. And the same as the messages of the prophets were received in old days, so her messages should be received at present times."4
RON GRAYBILL (Associate Secretary of the Ellen G. White Estate): "The quality of inspiration of Ellen White is equal to that of the Bible writers..."5
KENNETH WOOD (Editor of Review): "Ellen G. White was inspired in the same sense as were the Bible prophets."6
DON NEUFELD (Associate editor of Review): "She was inspired by God as were the Biblical writers..."7
ROBERT OLSON (Secretary of the Ellen G. White Estate): "I believe that both Ellen G. White and the Apostle Paul were true prophets who wrote under the influence of the Holy Spirit. My reason for believing in the inspiration of one is identical with my reason for believing in the inspiration of the other."8
MINISTRY MAGAZINE: "We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the other."9
Mrs. White referred to her own writings as the "Spirit of Prophecy" and taught that they were inspired:

"The Holy Ghost is the Author of the Scriptures and of the Spirit of Prophecy."10
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<quoted text>I can just hear him now. Lord Bless this food thou hast prepared for me in the prescense of mine enemy.
You do know Preston blames everything on his wife and it is her FAULT !!!!
Poor Woman.
Preston says from the childrens table... Bless you God for our bountiful meal today, but God do not bless Confrint./KayMarie..........an d Michael. AMEN!

A deep voice from up above startles Preston, and God says I like Confrinting/KayMarie and Michael, I don't like you Preston.

Preston says to God why? God says in a bellowing voice Confrinting and KayMarie bring so much to this forum and I like Michaels warped sense of humor, you Preston are too judgemental of my creation. I hope you learn from this!






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Clay wrote:
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Are you Native? I am part. My Grandma was Ojibway. My Dad half. Me a quarter.
Anyway, Natives killed each other long before the Europeans stepped foot here. Tribes hated each other more than they hated the white man.
Read about the Iroquois from present day New York. They were notorious for capturing area lands from other Natives; enslaving and/or killing them. These guys would have eventually took over all of America doing God knows what to other tribes.
And today? Don't think for a second that the Ojibway and Souix here in MN have a friendly rivalry. They hate each other still.
seems everyone hates everyone....
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Problems with Adventist Truth about Ellen White
1. Having two sources of inspiration has proven to be a great challenge for the Seventh-day Adventist Church. While it is claimed that Mrs. White's writings bring unity to the church, quite the opposite is true. There has been an endless debate within the SDA Church about just how inspired Ellen White's writings are. Some claim the quality of inspiration is the same as for the Bible, while others take the opposite view that her writings are uninspired. In between the two extremes there are plenty of differing viewpoints, even among church leaders, so much so that it becomes confusing to understand exactly how inspired Mrs. White's writings are. There are continual battles over which of her teachings should be obeyed, and which of her testimonies it is safe to ignore.

More difficulties arise because some of Mrs. White's statements contradict the Bible, contradict known science, and even contradict eachother. Wars are constantly raging behind the scenes regarding these statements, and many people have left the church because these contradictions could not be resolved in a meaningful way.

2. Seventh-day Adventists use Rev. 12:17 and 19:10 to identify their church as the "remnant". They claim that one of the identifying marks of the remnant church is obedience to the Ten Commandments, including the fourth commandment.(see discussion on the "commandments of God" in study 8) This restriction would remove the majority of Christian churches from being identified as the remnant. However, there are still over 300 Christian denominations and groups that keep the seventh day Sabbath. So, the second "identifying mark" in Rev. 12:17 is the "faith of Jesus", which Adventists say is interpretted in Rev. 19:10 as the "spirit of prophecy". Adventists claim they are unique in being the only Sabbath-keeping group with a prophet, although other Sabbath-keeping groups, such as the Shepherd's Rod and the Branch Davidians also claim to have prophets.

The entire Adventist theology of identifying themselves as the "remnant church" is built upon a literal English translation of Greek words in Revelation 19:10 "the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." Adventists would have us read this, "the testimony of Jesus is Ellen White's writings". While Mrs. White's writings do, in some instances, testify of Jesus, as do the writings of many other Christian authors. Adventists say that what sets Mrs. White's writings apart from all others is that her writings carry the inspiration of a prophet. They claim she received her message from visions and dreams. However, Adventists have difficulty pointing to any "new light" in her writings that was not already known, preached, and taught by those around her. Furthermore, they admit that most of her writings were actually plagiarized or copied from other Christian authors.

In reality, the "Spirit of Prophecy" in Revelation 19:10 is referring to the prophetic spirit manifested by the Apostles and recorded in the New Testament. While the KJV captures the literal translation of Revelation 19:10, modern translations do a much better job of capturing the essence of the point being made in the verse. Notice how the passage is emphasizing Jesus and His relationship to prophecy:

For the essence of prophecy is to give a clear witness for Jesus.(New Living Translation)

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