Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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2. Revelation 12:17 provides two identifying marks of the true remnant church in the last days:

They keep the "Commandments of God", including the fourth commandment to keep the Sabbath holy.
They have the "faith of Jesus" which Revelation 19:10 identifies as the "Spirit of Prophecy".
The Spirit of Prophecy was manifested in the life and writings of Ellen G. White. Therefore, the SDA Church is the only church that has the identifying marks of the remnant church of Revelation.

"The Bible assures us that the gift of prophecy will be active in the last days of this earth's history. It says the church will possess all the spiritual gifts, including the "testimony of Jesus," which is the "spirit of prophecy," or the gift of prophecy (1 Cor. 1:4-47; Rev. 12:17; 19:10)
"Seventh-day Adventists believe that the gift of prophecy was manifested in the life and work of Ellen G. White, one of the early leaders of the church."2
Baptisimal candidates in the SDA Church must pledge allegiance to the belief that the "gift of prophecy" is an identifying mark of the remnant church:

"I accept the Biblical teaching of spiritual gifts, and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the identifying marks of the remnant church.... I accept that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the remnant church of Bible prophecy."3
3. According to Adventist leaders, the writings of Ellen G. White are "inspired" by the Holy Spirit in the same way as the Biblical authors were inspired.

ADVENTIST REVIEW: "As Samuel was a prophet to Israel in his day, as Jeremiah was a prophet to Israel in the day of captivity, as John the Baptist came as a special messenger of the Lord to prepare the way of Christ's appearing, so we believe that Mrs. White was a prophet to the church of Christ today. And the same as the messages of the prophets were received in old days, so her messages should be received at present times."4
RON GRAYBILL (Associate Secretary of the Ellen G. White Estate): "The quality of inspiration of Ellen White is equal to that of the Bible writers..."5
KENNETH WOOD (Editor of Review): "Ellen G. White was inspired in the same sense as were the Bible prophets."6
DON NEUFELD (Associate editor of Review): "She was inspired by God as were the Biblical writers..."7
ROBERT OLSON (Secretary of the Ellen G. White Estate): "I believe that both Ellen G. White and the Apostle Paul were true prophets who wrote under the influence of the Holy Spirit. My reason for believing in the inspiration of one is identical with my reason for believing in the inspiration of the other."8
MINISTRY MAGAZINE: "We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the other."9
Mrs. White referred to her own writings as the "Spirit of Prophecy" and taught that they were inspired:

"The Holy Ghost is the Author of the Scriptures and of the Spirit of Prophecy."10
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<quoted text>I can just hear him now. Lord Bless this food thou hast prepared for me in the prescense of mine enemy.
You do know Preston blames everything on his wife and it is her FAULT !!!!
Poor Woman.
Preston says from the childrens table... Bless you God for our bountiful meal today, but God do not bless Confrint./KayMarie..........an d Michael. AMEN!

A deep voice from up above startles Preston, and God says I like Confrinting/KayMarie and Michael, I don't like you Preston.

Preston says to God why? God says in a bellowing voice Confrinting and KayMarie bring so much to this forum and I like Michaels warped sense of humor, you Preston are too judgemental of my creation. I hope you learn from this!






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Are you Native? I am part. My Grandma was Ojibway. My Dad half. Me a quarter.
Anyway, Natives killed each other long before the Europeans stepped foot here. Tribes hated each other more than they hated the white man.
Read about the Iroquois from present day New York. They were notorious for capturing area lands from other Natives; enslaving and/or killing them. These guys would have eventually took over all of America doing God knows what to other tribes.
And today? Don't think for a second that the Ojibway and Souix here in MN have a friendly rivalry. They hate each other still.
seems everyone hates everyone....
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Problems with Adventist Truth about Ellen White
1. Having two sources of inspiration has proven to be a great challenge for the Seventh-day Adventist Church. While it is claimed that Mrs. White's writings bring unity to the church, quite the opposite is true. There has been an endless debate within the SDA Church about just how inspired Ellen White's writings are. Some claim the quality of inspiration is the same as for the Bible, while others take the opposite view that her writings are uninspired. In between the two extremes there are plenty of differing viewpoints, even among church leaders, so much so that it becomes confusing to understand exactly how inspired Mrs. White's writings are. There are continual battles over which of her teachings should be obeyed, and which of her testimonies it is safe to ignore.

More difficulties arise because some of Mrs. White's statements contradict the Bible, contradict known science, and even contradict eachother. Wars are constantly raging behind the scenes regarding these statements, and many people have left the church because these contradictions could not be resolved in a meaningful way.

2. Seventh-day Adventists use Rev. 12:17 and 19:10 to identify their church as the "remnant". They claim that one of the identifying marks of the remnant church is obedience to the Ten Commandments, including the fourth commandment.(see discussion on the "commandments of God" in study 8) This restriction would remove the majority of Christian churches from being identified as the remnant. However, there are still over 300 Christian denominations and groups that keep the seventh day Sabbath. So, the second "identifying mark" in Rev. 12:17 is the "faith of Jesus", which Adventists say is interpretted in Rev. 19:10 as the "spirit of prophecy". Adventists claim they are unique in being the only Sabbath-keeping group with a prophet, although other Sabbath-keeping groups, such as the Shepherd's Rod and the Branch Davidians also claim to have prophets.

The entire Adventist theology of identifying themselves as the "remnant church" is built upon a literal English translation of Greek words in Revelation 19:10 "the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." Adventists would have us read this, "the testimony of Jesus is Ellen White's writings". While Mrs. White's writings do, in some instances, testify of Jesus, as do the writings of many other Christian authors. Adventists say that what sets Mrs. White's writings apart from all others is that her writings carry the inspiration of a prophet. They claim she received her message from visions and dreams. However, Adventists have difficulty pointing to any "new light" in her writings that was not already known, preached, and taught by those around her. Furthermore, they admit that most of her writings were actually plagiarized or copied from other Christian authors.

In reality, the "Spirit of Prophecy" in Revelation 19:10 is referring to the prophetic spirit manifested by the Apostles and recorded in the New Testament. While the KJV captures the literal translation of Revelation 19:10, modern translations do a much better job of capturing the essence of the point being made in the verse. Notice how the passage is emphasizing Jesus and His relationship to prophecy:

For the essence of prophecy is to give a clear witness for Jesus.(New Living Translation)
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<quoted text>not to bust your bubble, "knowhim: but this guy follows ellen white, a false prophetess, so dont be fooled by him.he aint what you think that he is.
his chuch condemms every person to hell that dont follow ellen white
He can worship who ever he wants to just as you the man has understanding that most people lack on of the few on here the will mention Yahweh.
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Bible Truth about Ellen White
The Bible commands us to "test" the prophets to determine whether or not they are sent by God (see 1 John 4:1). Mrs. White left us over 100,000 pages of writings, so there is plenty to test. The Bible provides us with seven specific tests of a prophet and much research has been undertaken to determine whether or not Mrs. White passed those Biblical tests. The weight of that collective evidence indicates that Mrs. White failed 6 out of the 7 Biblical tests of a prophet. The evidence is far too extensive to properly cover in this format, so please click on the following link to examine the evidence for yourself: Ellen White and the Biblical Tests of a Prophet.

Here is a summary of the main criticisms of Ellen White:

Her visions contain falsehoods. Her visions about future events have proven inaccurate. Some of her visions contain knowledge obtained from others. There are natural explanations for the feats she is said to have performed while in vision.

Her writings contain superstitions, fables, myths, falsehoods, and absurdities. Her writings contradict science, history, and common sense.

Her visions taught a shut door of salvation. She taught from her visions that a door of probation was closed in 1844 against all non-Adventists. The SDA Church and Ellen White later backed away from this position and tried to hide the earlier visions showing a shut door of salvation.

Her health visions contain falsehoods and extremes, and thus they cannot be from God. Her health teachings contradict known scientific facts and contain knowledge primarily obtained from other health reformers.

Her writings contradict the Bible at times, and are inconsistent with Biblical historical facts. In addition, she frequently adds to the Bible.

She copied extensively from others while denying she did so. All the major thoughts and ideas in her writings were derived from others. She copied both truths and falsehoods into her writings.

Her writings contain confusing and contradictory statements.
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<quoted text>Michael it is kind of like having with a special needs or mentaly challenged child or family member. When we have the love of Christ in us we reach out and help those with the most need. It does not mean we love our other children less because we choose to spend our time where we are most needed to help the less fortunate through this life.
It is a special day for all of us in this country,and we have so much to be thankful for,no matter if we believe or live outside of faith,we can be thankful for the still rich resources of this great nation.

I think of the tragic world around us,although many are living well,there are many till who suffer great loss,despair and many other things.But we have a hope in spite of what is around us.

i cannot imagine a life without Christ,before I was His,I just existed and did not know that my life could have so many assurances and HOPE.Enjoy your loves ones,they know you and always are there when you need them,a GIFT from God 7th day.
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The only 'TRUE' church is each and every member of the body of Christ who has trusted in Him,and Him alone,for forgivness of their sins and salvation of their souls!!!
GEE! I guess "LUCKY" for those who were by CHANCE born into a catholic family..........too bad for the rest of Gods creation who weren't.

The rest of us are DOOMED!

BALONEY!!......and more BALONEY!

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WOW, SHADES OF MR FRAUD.LOL

She copied extensively from others while denying she did so. All the major thoughts and ideas in her writings were derived from others. She copied both truths and falsehoods into her writings.
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<quoted text>live and learn, jadahim.
Seventh-day Adventists teach the following about the Ellen White:
1. Ellen G. White plays a central role in the SDA Church. One of the "27 Fundamental Beliefs" of the SDA Church is that Ellen White manifested the gift of prophecy and her writings are "authoritative" for the Adventist Church:
"18. The Gift of Prophecy: One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White. As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested.(Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)"
Adventists have two "inspired" sources of truth: The Bible and the writings of Ellen G. White, which they refer to as the Spirit of Prophecy. Adventists say that the Bible is their primary source of guidance. It is called the "greater light". As recently as 2005, the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists reaffirmed in a statement entitled "Resolution on the Spirit of Prophecy" that Mrs. White's writings contain "divine counsel" and are a source of "guidance, instruction, correction" for the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Mrs. White's writings, although much more voluminous than the Bible writings, are referred to as the "lesser light".
2. Revelation 12:17 provides two identifying marks of the true remnant church in the last days:
http://www.nonsda.org/study10.shtml
jadahim thats a good one but their was never a j in the hebrew language at this time....as for me i would never worship a woman.or listen to one....i don't think they are even to preach....they like the rest lack understanding that only come from Yahweh.
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Preston says from the childrens table... Bless you God for our bountiful meal today, but God do not bless Confrint./KayMarie..........an d Michael. AMEN!
A deep voice from up above startles Preston, and God says I like Confrinting/KayMarie and Michael, I don't like you Preston.
Preston says to God why? God says in a bellowing voice Confrinting and KayMarie bring so much to this forum and I like Michaels warped sense of humor, you Preston are too judgemental of my creation. I hope you learn from this!
Michael you have added so much to this forum,a lot of challenging on our mindsets which can become complacent at times,but nevertheless we need to be alerted to our apathy at times,and people like you Michael stir us to sobriety.I hope you enjoy your sons this thanksgiving,eat wisely,and watch the football games,there are three that I know of.I am glad it is not the BEARS,because they are doing so poorly this season.

Even the Packers are having a rough time.But enjoy your time with the family!

DAN.
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<quoted text>Sorry if I thought you were an atheist,I guess you aren't after all.Enjoy your day,don't eat too much,never good for the intestinal tract.
depends on what a atheist is....if it means the worship of a man made god then i am one if it means worshiping the heavenly father Yahweh then im not.are you aware of the fact that man changed the creators name and made him a god....
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<quoted text>He can worship who ever he wants to just as you the man has understanding that most people lack on of the few on here the will mention Yahweh.
THAT NAME IS NOT CONSISTANT WITH A PERSON BEING GIVEN sALVATION.

it is by the blood that we receive salvation.

and the sda cultist cant have understanding of Gods plan if he follows a false prophetess.

you should know that, If you have any Bible knowledge.

and NO, HE CANT WORSHIP WHOEVER HE WANTS TO, THAT IS CERTAINLY NOT BIBLICAL.

Isaiah 45:5 TRUMPS YOUR FALSE WORDS.

I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God besides me
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WOW, SHADES OF MR FRAUD.LOL
She copied extensively from others while denying she did so. All the major thoughts and ideas in her writings were derived from others. She copied both truths and falsehoods into her writings.
I did read your responses to my post about Jesus and the unknown tongues.I do not consider the Aramaic or Hebrew spoken from the Cross to be unknown tongues,so with that I will agree with you.Hope you and your family will be happy together and enjoy this holiday. DAN.
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AND YADAHIM,(I did emember who you were)

several years ago, I made you look like the idiot that you are.

you knew me then as "Christian Rabbi"
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Are you Native? I am part. My Grandma was Ojibway. My Dad half. Me a quarter.
Anyway, Natives killed each other long before the Europeans stepped foot here. Tribes hated each other more than they hated the white man.
Read about the Iroquois from present day New York. They were notorious for capturing area lands from other Natives; enslaving and/or killing them. These guys would have eventually took over all of America doing God knows what to other tribes.
And today? Don't think for a second that the Ojibway and Souix here in MN have a friendly rivalry. They hate each other still.
CLAY says........

They were notorious for capturing area lands from other Natives; enslaving and/or killing them.

MICHAEL says....

AH! Much like the christian white man whose wooden sailing ships bounced off the foggy shores of the americas. Pushed all the natives back, cleared the land for themselves, screwed the native wives, then screwed them all over trading them broken mirrors, and other Dollar store worthless trinkets, for priceless furs and moccasins.

We sure have come a long way!. Now its christian catholics fighting christian protestants on the same land.

Michael, says I love everyone equally.

Who would God pick???

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this is from another forum.

can topix police of America help stop yadahim ?????

and yadahim, since you like Hebrew so well, what am I saying?

Baroukh Ata Hachem Elohenou Melekh Aolam, Acher Kidéchanou Bémitsvotav Vétsivanou Al Nétilat Yadahim

without google of course.
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when I need prayer,I go to those people who can approach the throne of Grace, not hypocrites, like you LTM
which is why God has touched this old body several times(that orville has mocked btw).
and when I had to go, God had already went ahead of me.
Tommy had already had a vision of me having that blockage and it being removed by God.
bub stopped by the other day and told me that God had sent him to Pray for my shingles(at no time did I ask one person of this forum to pray for me about them)and NOW THE PAIN HAS LESSENED TREMENDOUSLY.
if i am this evil, why is God helping me out SO MUCH?
and why are you sufferring so much?LTM and why is mrs fraud having to go back so often. when God healed my heart, I havent been back to the doctor since.
Preston, I am very glad you were healed,I don't think you are evil either.
I do think you have issues Preston, because unless people agree with you according to you they are stupid idiots, or lairs. No one agrees with everyone on all issues, because everyone is different and have their own thoughts and feelings about things.
Men and woman are different our emotions work different Preston.
Your Knowledge on the Bible is wonderful , but on the name calling and you bring up issues that have been discussed many times over is what I don't agree with Preston, its like beating a dead horse again and again.
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just a warning, dont google his name or you will be sorry, filth is what you will find. I leanred that some time ago,

he is worse that Orville ever thought about being.

in fact orville is a saint compared to him
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<quoted text>Michael you have added so much to this forum,a lot of challenging on our mindsets which can become complacent at times,but nevertheless we need to be alerted to our apathy at times,and people like you Michael stir us to sobriety.I hope you enjoy your sons this thanksgiving,eat wisely,and watch the football games,there are three that I know of.I am glad it is not the BEARS,because they are doing so poorly this season.
Even the Packers are having a rough time.But enjoy your time with the family!
DAN.
Thanks Dan!

I will be watching football. I have two adult sons and one adult daughter. I get all the stations you guys get. The closet american team to us are the Bills. We know how they have started off poorly.

Our canadian football league final comes up this sunday in Toronto East versus West. The Grey Cup......100th anniversary.

Our thanksgiving was back in October, but I could sure go for some turkey/stuffing today.(lol)

Happy thanksgiving to you and your family.

ps I will rack my brain to see what controversial topics I can bring up for the rest of the week that will stir the pot up.

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