Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Michael

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ReginaM wrote:
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Try telling that to my orthodox Jewish friends who came to my parents' funeral masses.
We have many Jewish converts to the faith.
Don't forget! It goes both ways. Catholics too becoming Jewish.

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Nov 20, 2012
 
Karen,

The term catholic means universal. It is Greek in origin. In this way it means that the Church is everyone and for everyone. The Church is the bride and Jesus is the bridegroom. You either believe that He is our Savior Who was killed by His people and rose again or you do not. The statement from the Pope does not make salvation exclusive to the Catholic Church. The Church recognizes that elements of catholicity exist in other denominations. He simply restated a position the Church has always held.

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We know Jesus started a Church. We know His Apostles ordained their successors to carry on this Church. They called their Church 'Catholic' from very early on.
Jesus didn't completely follow the teachings of the Jews at that time, that's why they killed Him.
Clay says..........Jesus didn't completely follow the teachings of the Jews at that time, that's why they killed Him.

Michael says .....how do you know with certainty that this Jesus did not follow his teachings completely? A peace loving man who helped the homeless, for some reason doesn't practice his faith quite the way he is suppose to, so faith leaders are going to KILL HIM for that reason!

makes no common sense.

You're scriptures often mention Jesus in the temple praying. The scriptures claim Jesus at his crucifixion wore tassels on his clothing that signified his beloved jewish tribe.

Sounds like a full fledged Jew to me.

Makes no sense practicing your jewish belief your entire life then in order to get yourself back to heaven you have to get yourself killed, so you have to piss off your faith leaders so bad they want you dead, and if they don't kill you how are you ever going to return to heaven?

unbelievable!........makes no common sense.

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iraqvet03 wrote:
Karen,
The term catholic means universal. It is Greek in origin. In this way it means that the Church is everyone and for everyone. The Church is the bride and Jesus is the bridegroom. You either believe that He is our Savior Who was killed by His people and rose again or you do not. The statement from the Pope does not make salvation exclusive to the Catholic Church. The Church recognizes that elements of catholicity exist in other denominations. He simply restated a position the Church has always held.
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Iraqvet03 says........u either believe that He is our Savior Who was killed by His people and rose again or you do not.

The scriptures ONLY! say that your man Jesus did wonderful things for many people. A man claimed to have superhuman capabilities in bringing dead people back to life, making blind men see again, feeding exactly 5,000 people with bits and pieces of bread and fish. A man that had such a huge following he would put the Beatles from 1965 to shame.

Yet for some reason a very very short time later the people are screaming for his death. What happened during the very very short period of time to go from HERO TO ZERO?

If there was a crucifixion where were his supporters. If this man had brought me back from the dead I would be there supporting him. If he fed me when I was hungry I would be supporting him. No one showed up? Why?

Scriptures ONLY claim the angry crowd had a 50-50 choice to pick Jesus or Barabas. What would have happened if the crowd using their free will screamed Barabas instead? How would christianity have ever started.

Everything in this story from birth to death is staged......and you believe more than likely, only! because you were born into a religious belief that teaches this story.
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Try telling that to my orthodox Jewish friends who came to my parents' funeral masses.
We have many Jewish converts to the faith.
That is to bad they traded the incorruptable God: for that which is corrupted.
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Mmmmmm...
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Probably should be "It was close to 300 years before the Letters of St.Paul were formally declared to be inspired scripture at a council or synod."
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The individual churches in various places were using them in the sacred liturgy before such declaration. In fact, it was such usage, which arose out of a sense of the divinely inspiried character of the writings, which led to the formal declaration, rather than the other way around.
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I mention this primarily because we have had such misunderstanding by many Prots on this board, as if the CC were claiming that it is the declaration of the Church which made the writings scripture (divinely inspired). What we are actually saying is the RECOGNITION of this is expressed in declaration by the Church, after that first recognition grew within the individual church communities.
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Work of the Holy Spirit, all around, in the writer, in the small communities, and finally, in the Council Declaration.
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Mass in 2 min. Gotta go!
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Rob
You also had a misunderstanding by many catholics on this board. Funny you never mentioned that.
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Is God not the same God to all generations, to every tribe, tongue and nation.
Speaking in other tongues is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Are not these gift available to this generation.
God said in the last days I will pour out my spirit Act 2:17.
Mark 16:20

20 Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and <<<<<confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.>>>>>

Paul and Barnabas went as usual into the <<<Jewish synagogue.>>> There they spoke so effectively that a great number of Jews and Greeks believed. But the ~~~~~Jews who refused to believe~~~~~ stirred up the other Gentiles and poisoned their minds against the brothers.

Acts 14:3

3 Long time therefore abode they *speaking boldly in the Lord,* <<<<<which gave testimony unto the WORD of his grace,>>>>> and ~~~~~granted signs and wonders to be DONE BY THEIR HANDS.~~~~~

Sure, LTM, we are given gift....

But, today, there are NO apostles giving those gift out that they had back then done by their hands....
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44GVN wrote:
<quoted text>You also had a misunderstanding by many catholics on this board. Funny you never mentioned that.
I think you should take Fr. Dye up on his offer to discuss baptism with you.

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Truth wrote:
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Orville,
Today, we have the Word of God....we do not need the "speaking of tongues...."
Besides, the "speaking of tongues" was for the Jews....
In the Law it is written:
“With other tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
<<<<<I will speak to this people,>>>>>
but even then they will not listen to me,
says the Lord.”
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God has never given us something that we don't need...IF YOU DON'T WANT WHAT GOD OFFERS..IT IS YOUR LOSS...

AS FOR ME I'LL RECEIVE ANY THING HE OFFERS WITH GUSTO..

and don't need a family doctor at the age of 78...

If you want to short change yourself because of your unbelief..have at it

but as for me I will have confident expectations for all God has made available

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THE APOSTLE PETER SAID..

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

for example...

I am in good health because I trust in God for my health.

HIS WORD SAYS HEALING CAME AS PART/WITH MY SALVATION...I BELIEVE AND I RECEIVE...because God's word says so....and GOD DOES NOT LIE.

Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

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YOU SHUN HIS WORD ...I RECEIVE IT WITH GLADNESS.

as a little child...and reap the benefits

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Jesus said

Mat_18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat_18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

Mar_10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

Luk_18:17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

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David said...

Psa_68:19 Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah.

Psa_103:2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:

Psa_116:12 What shall I render unto the LORD for all his benefits toward me?

Psa 116:13 I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD.
Michael

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Anthony MN wrote:
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An unbiased person might ask; Why would a Catholic priest counsel a girl in the confessional to get an abortion, which would incur an automatic excommunication for both of them? Why would a Catholic priest deny someone a sacrament for a bogus reason? Why would someone change a story i.e., behind a curtain vs. in a side room?
People who hate the Church will believe Kay and you.
Anthony says.......An unbiased person might ask; Why would a Catholic priest counsel a girl in the confessional to get an abortion, which would incur an automatic excommunication for both of them? Why would a Catholic priest deny someone a sacrament for a bogus reason?

Michael says........you know yourself the last few years a lot of bad stuff has been flying under the radar within your church caused by the very teachers of the faith.

You need to pop your head up through that hard packed sand in minnesota once in awhile and see what is really going on.

Don't you remember the story on 20/20 or Dateline about 3 years ago a catholic priest had an affair with a married woman in his church and she got pregnant and he paid for her abortion? I believe it was in Pennsylvania or Ohio?

Why would ANY priest do this?

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Cou...

When I look at my pristine lifestyle, God must be so impressed with me that he doesn't even have to keep watch over me.(lol)
Michael

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I find it so weird that you'll use any situation and any scenario to post about child sexual abuse.
Even if it has nothing to do with it, you'll find away to bring up this topic.
Sick and pathetic.
This is your life Mike.
My job is to get the truth out. The truth might hurt, but it has to be told and re-inforced.

I try to be nice to you and this is way you treat me?

marge

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Robert F wrote:
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marge good friend
If God's angels do not speak contrary, certainly the devil and his minions counterfeit the Word of God, in order to deceive. And some will be deceived, usually through pride, or a spiritual gluttony in this case of tongues....
Hey

Yes Robert even many will be deceived, but to guard against that one must be born-again, that was my only point.
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Nov 20, 2012
 
Robert;

Matt 24:24

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
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That is to bad they traded the incorruptable God: for that which is corrupted.
Like your last post, that's a spiteful remark with no basis in truth.

Also, don't forget, the Jews reject Christ.
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Anthony says.......An unbiased person might ask; Why would a Catholic priest counsel a girl in the confessional to get an abortion, which would incur an automatic excommunication for both of them? Why would a Catholic priest deny someone a sacrament for a bogus reason?
Michael says........you know yourself the last few years a lot of bad stuff has been flying under the radar within your church caused by the very teachers of the faith.
You need to pop your head up through that hard packed sand in minnesota once in awhile and see what is really going on.
Don't you remember the story on 20/20 or Dateline about 3 years ago a catholic priest had an affair with a married woman in his church and she got pregnant and he paid for her abortion? I believe it was in Pennsylvania or Ohio?
Why would ANY priest do this?
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Cou...
When I look at my pristine lifestyle, God must be so impressed with me that he doesn't even have to keep watch over me.(lol)
I don't recall ever saying there weren't some sleazy priests out there. When Kay and her husband produce the newspaper articles supporting their story I might take another look. Until then, you three can huddle together and shake your fingers at them all. Have fun.
Michael

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Nov 20, 2012
 
We are all aware of the report by the PEW RESEARCH CENTRE that states today 19.6% of americans have no religious affiliation, and rising quickly. 1 in every 3 americans under age 30 have no religious affiliation today.

10% of americans are former catholics.

What will these numbers be in 10 years? 25 years and what is the root cause of these failures and plummeting numbers of church attendees?



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Michael wrote:
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My job is to get the truth out. The truth might hurt, but it has to be told and re-inforced.
I try to be nice to you and this is way you treat me?
Ok Mike, produce the evidence of Kay's stories. Or is it just anti-Catholics who tell the truth?
Michael

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ReginaM wrote:
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Like your last post, that's a spiteful remark with no basis in truth.
Also, don't forget, the Jews reject Christ.
If you lived back in the day and you were a Jew like Jesus wouldn't you react the same way the jews did? They followed their faith. They do not believe in the trinity. That is their belief.
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LTM wrote:
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Is God not the same God to all generations, to every tribe, tongue and nation.
Speaking in other tongues is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Are not these gift available to this generation.
God said in the last days I will pour out my spirit Act 2:17.
Then the Lord said,“If they do not believe you or pay attention to the first sign, they may believe the second. But if they do not believe these two signs or listen to you, take some water from the Nile and pour it on the dry ground. The water you take from the river will become blood on the ground.”

But take this staff in your hand so you can perform the signs with it.

The Lord said to Moses,“When you return to Egypt, see that you PERFORM before Pharaoh all the WONDERS I have given you the <<<<<POWER TO DO.>>>>> But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.

Then Moses told Aaron everything the Lord had sent him to say, and also about all the SIGNS he had COMMANDED him to perform.

Moses and Aaron brought together all the elders of the Israelites, and Aaron told them everything the Lord had said to Moses. He also performed the SIGNS before the people, and they believed. And when they heard that the Lord was concerned about them and had seen their misery, they bowed down and worshiped.

Now, LTM, does God give anyone today this kind of POWER???

By what rule of Scripture from the Word of God would a "faith healer" establish that his work is authorized and confirmed by God?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

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Only one Church can trace themselves to the upper room at Pentecost.
Its very clear the hierarchy never dissolved since then.
Bishops, Priests and Deacons were organized and ordained by the Apostles. This is the Church that Jesus Christ Himself started.
You said "all churches were started by ordinary men"
Not the Catholic Church. If so, who was the guy who started it?
Every single Protestant sect can be traced to some guy or girl.(thousands in the last century alone).
The Catholic Church has one founder. Jesus.
Interesting stat: do you know the Church existed for 70 yrs before the books of the New Testament were entirely written? The Church was functioning before the Apostle Paul wrote a single letter.
And..
The Church functioned for the next 300 yrs before the letters of Paul would be considered inspired by the Holy Spirit!
You can't deny this history.
The Church .."UNDER GRACE."..can trace itself to the sufferings, death resurrection and ascension of JESUS CHRIST GOD'S SON..

Php_3:10 That I may know him, and

the power of his resurrection, and

the fellowship of his sufferings,

being made conformable unto his death;

THE CHURCH IS AS OLD AS GOD IS...

-->JESUS WAS/IS A HIGH PRIEST FOREVER ......JUST HOW LONG IS FOREVER...

IS IT NOT ... FROM ....INFINITY ...THROUGH ...INFINITY!

Heb_7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest -->for ever <--after the order of Melchisedec.

THE CHURCH ..THE CALLED OUT ONES...

EXISTED IN GENESIS under Adam

under Noah... age of conscience

under Abraham.... Faith

under Moses and the prophets..levies AND LAW

under GRACE ....THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.

THE CHURCH UNDER GRACE CAME FORTH BY THE TRAVAIL OF JESUS CHRIST AT CALVARY..

THE CHURCH WAS ORGANIZED IN THE UPPER ROOM... IN ACTS CHAPTER ONE...

IT WAS ENABLED/EMPOWERED (FOR SERVICE) AY JERUSALEM ...ON THE DAY OF THE FEAST OF PENTECOST. ACTS CHAPTER TWO.

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