Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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#403748 Nov 21, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Only one Church can trace themselves to the upper room at Pentecost.
Its very clear the hierarchy never dissolved since then.
Bishops, Priests and Deacons were organized and ordained by the Apostles. This is the Church that Jesus Christ Himself started.
You said "all churches were started by ordinary men"
Not the Catholic Church. If so, who was the guy who started it?
Every single Protestant sect can be traced to some guy or girl.(thousands in the last century alone).
The Catholic Church has one founder. Jesus.
Interesting stat: do you know the Church existed for 70 yrs before the books of the New Testament were entirely written? The Church was functioning before the Apostle Paul wrote a single letter.
And..
The Church functioned for the next 300 yrs before the letters of Paul would be considered inspired by the Holy Spirit!
You can't deny this history.
what are the names of these people the apostles ordained? and where does jesus say he stated the catholic church is his church? is he both pagan and christian? that is what the catholic church is,the combination of the two,that is quite obvious,jesus states "MY CHURCH" not catholic church or any other,his church is universal if he is the creator of the universe so his church would not be limited to just this planet,it is a spiritual church that lives through out the whole entire universe,man created the physical church,and from what i've learned from reading multiple sources there more interested in money&power than saving people,the catholic church higherarchy which was brought together by emporer constantine,sold positions within the church for profit,which is wrong and which clearly tells you these men that bought there way into the church are not of any holy nature.JOHN was the last apostle to live,does he mention an successor? no,the succession stops upon his death. it is not written anywhere that it was ment to continue.when the last book was written gods work was done,and yes people were possibly ordained/or just told to travel from town to town and spread gods word,not create an religious empire which the catholic church did,and do they share? no they don't what they earn they keep. would gods church have to kill people in order to get others to follow their man made traditions? i think not.and the church has more than one founder constantine put together a group of a hundred learned men to create a religion his vast empire could live with,since rome was of pagan religion they had to use some of their traditions and combine it with christianity,and there you have catholocism,the dates used for religious holidays are of pagan origin,look it up it's easy,jesus' b-day according to the church was dec.25, in the pagan religion it is also the day the sun was born,hence the changing of the sabbath by the church,that's just one example,if you care to check out the rest feel free to do so,you'll find pagan and christian holidays just happen to be on the same dates,what are the odds of that happening? is it just coincedence? or was it mans hands at work?
Orville

Warren, OR

#403749 Nov 21, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Confrinting----YOU are the "railer" on this forum---"railing, condemning and judging the faith and salvation of other Christians, especially Catholics. I respect your wife KAYMARIE!
(Again) she is the "only TRUE Christian" in your family!!!


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Clay

United States

#403750 Nov 21, 2012
Orville wrote:
<quoted text>
Question of a lifetime: Why did you believe in a religion that has no validity. Not in Scripture, nor Biblical history?
If so, prove it Clay.
Actually, Catholicism is so deep rooted in scripture its not even funny. Especially the Old Testament flowing into the New. All the teachings are entwined in scripture.(the way scripture was meant to be)
Whereas the born agains, largely ignore the Old Testament and isolate verse after verse in the New.
"unless a man becomes born again" has become the only biblical thing you guys seem to follow. And you managed to twist that one... Along with countless other teachings.

scripturecatholic.com is a good source.
Clay

United States

#403751 Nov 21, 2012
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>what are the names of these people the apostles ordained? and where does jesus say he stated the catholic church is his church? is he both pagan and christian? that is what the catholic church is,the combination of the two,that is quite obvious,jesus states "MY CHURCH" not catholic church or any other,his church is universal if he is the creator of the universe so his church would not be limited to just this planet,it is a spiritual church that lives through out the whole entire universe,man created the physical church,and from what i've learned from reading multiple sources there more interested in money&power than saving people,the catholic church higherarchy which was brought together by emporer constantine,sold positions within the church for profit,which is wrong and which clearly tells you these men that bought there way into the church are not of any holy nature.JOHN was the last apostle to live,does he mention an successor? no,the succession stops upon his death. it is not written anywhere that it was ment to continue.when the last book was written gods work was done,and yes people were possibly ordained/or just told to travel from town to town and spread gods word,not create an religious empire which the catholic church did,and do they share? no they don't what they earn they keep. would gods church have to kill people in order to get others to follow their man made traditions? i think not.and the church has more than one founder constantine put together a group of a hundred learned men to create a religion his vast empire could live with,since rome was of pagan religion they had to use some of their traditions and combine it with christianity,and there you have catholocism,the dates used for religious holidays are of pagan origin,look it up it's easy,jesus' b-day according to the church was dec.25, in the pagan religion it is also the day the sun was born,hence the changing of the sabbath by the church,that's just one example,if you care to check out the rest feel free to do so,you'll find pagan and christian holidays just happen to be on the same dates,what are the odds of that happening? is it just coincedence? or was it mans hands at work?
True, Christians in the 2nd century chose Dec 25 because the Pagans in their land were already celebrating the Sun god day. The empire was already full of festivities so Christians counter acted against the Pagans by quietly celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ at Christ's Mass.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#403752 Nov 21, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
I DO NOT BELIEVE IN SUCCESSION OF ANY KIND PAPAL OR OTHERWISE..
BUT I believe God is the same now as he was then..
Evidently you believe Jesus never came forth from the dead
and the Power that was received at the feast Pentecost has fizzled out
or that He lied when He said...
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
--> All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Question if you believe that God is powerless today...
why do you bother.
with church?
GIF,

You wrote:

I DO NOT BELIEVE IN SUCCESSION OF ANY KIND PAPAL OR OTHERWISE..

The apostles had to lay their hands to give power.....

There are NO apostles today, therefore, we DO NOT receive that kind of power....

BUT, we do receive "spiritual gifts" as we have received the "gift of the Holy Spirit."

Acts 2:38

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and <<<ye SHALL receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.>>>

*****

Now, GIF, what are the purposes for which we receive the "spiritual gifts???"

1 Corinthians 12:7

7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the [[[[[common good.]]]]]

Ephesians 4:12-14

12 <<<<<For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:>>>>>

13 Till we all come in the ~~~~~unity of the faith,~~~~~ and of the *****knowledge of the Son of God,***** unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the [[[[[fulness of Christ:]]]]]

14 [That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;]

Remember, what are the purposes of receiving these "spiritual gifts???"

They are given for the common good and the building up of the church.

*****

GIF,

Did God want us to be uniformed about these spiritual gifts???

NO!!!!!!!!!!

1 Corinthians 12:1

12 Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do NOT want you to be uninformed.

What does Paul tell us:

He wants us to know ABOUT and UNDERSTAND what we have been given by God.

This is why we have the "indwelling of the Holy Spirit."

*****

Now, GIF, what are the "spiritual gifts???"

I will let you answer this question.....
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#403753 Nov 21, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
THE BIBLE SAYS
==>NOT TO KEEP COMPANY WITH A RAILER..
MY WIFE ANDI HAVE BEEN AND ARE NOW BEING RAILED UPON F CONTINUOUSLY HERE IN THIS FORUM
NOTE
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you
not to keep company,
if any man that is called a brother
be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolater, or a RAILER,
or a drunkard, or an extortioner;
with such an one no not to eat.
(CAPITALIZED WORDS INSERTED MINE)
We might disagree on some theology but you are both good people.

No one should be subject to personal attacks as you have.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#403754 Nov 21, 2012
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
They saw an empty vessel and filled it up with garbage. He was hungry and swallow every rotten bite.
GULPP!
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#403755 Nov 21, 2012
Clay wrote:
Question of the day:
Who started the Catholic Church?
Every Protestant, evangelical, SDA, Jehovah's, Mormon, sect can be traced to a single person.
But the Catholic Church does not have an apparent founder.
It has long been said by desperate Protestants that the Roman Emperor Constantine founded it. But there is absolutely zero evidence that this man could have.
So He is ruled out.
So who did?
The answer is that the Catholic Church can trace their lineage to Jesus Christ and what He said to Peter that day: "Peter, you are the Rock upon which I'll build MY CHURCH, And the gates of Hell shall not prevail"
Why would a man who was born a proud Jew, followed jewish customs/traditions. Lived his entire life a jew, preached as a jew, prayed in the temple to God, then after he is executed he is laid to rest in jewish custom and tradition, yet a few days later completely dumps his former life long belief system to start a completely new belief completely the opposite of what he preached and loved his whole earthly life.

Makes no common sense

I believe christianity started just like socialism and the reformation. Groups of people had an agenda they had no leader until years later. The early christian movement found out about a man who had died a few years earlier, discovered he was a good man and died for his cause, took this mans identity and used him as their leader, a leader being dead that could never dispute anything they decided to create or concoct.

Something is terribly wrong!
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#403756 Nov 21, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
True, Christians in the 2nd century chose Dec 25 because the Pagans in their land were already celebrating the Sun god day. The empire was already full of festivities so Christians counter acted against the Pagans by quietly celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ at Christ's Mass.
If Jesus was such a great man wouldn't one believe that christians would know much about this man?

They know nothing.

1) When was he actually born? No one knows
2) What did he do to support himself? No one knows.
3) What did he look like? No one knows.
4) What was the date of the crucifixion and resurrection? No one knows that either.
5) Was he married? No one can verify if he was or not, though christians don't want him to have been married.

No one really knows anything about a man that christians claim to be the greatest man that ever lived.

How can you Clay state you love this man, yet in reality you wouldn't know him if he came back because you have no idea what he even looked like. UNBELIEVABLE!

makes no common sense!
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#403757 Nov 21, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
True, Christians in the 2nd century chose Dec 25 because the Pagans in their land were already celebrating the Sun god day. The empire was already full of festivities so Christians counter acted against the Pagans by quietly celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ at Christ's Mass.
Jesus was not born on Dec. 25th....

Christmas = Christ + mass (as for Catholic mass)

Jesus' birthday is unknown....

We are told to celebrate His death, burial and resurrection as that is more important...He rose....
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#403758 Nov 21, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
True, Christians in the 2nd century chose Dec 25 because the Pagans in their land were already celebrating the Sun god day. The empire was already full of festivities so Christians counter acted against the Pagans by quietly celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ at Christ's Mass.
Would you REALLY care about this man named Jesus if he didn't promise eternal salvation?

Would you still be interested in his earthly life? Would you care about all the characters in the story that you know off by heart? NO you wouldn't. So in essence you don't care for Jesus because he was a good man, you ONLY care about him because you believe he promised you something.

Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#403759 Nov 21, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
This is just more of your anti-catholic distorted BS Michael!! Read the TRUTH about the Catholic Church and its growth:
Catholic Church shows Robust Growth
www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/catholic_chur... ....
Catholic Church Membership Growing
findarticles.com/P/articles/mi_gn4179/1s_2009...
Catholic Church the fastest growing
monkallover.blogspot.com/2007/03/catholic-chu...
US Catholic Church Growing
vivechristusrex2000blogspot.com/2010/02/us-ca...
Catholic Church still growing--mainlines declining
religion.lohudblogs.com/.../catholic-church-s...
Sure--I walked away from my original Protestant bible only Church, but I still worship there "once in a while" and visit my bible only Christian friends. We share our faith-and respect each others beliefs----even though we may disagree on doctrinal issues. HOWEVER----I DO NOT respect bible only anti-Catholic "bashers" and "heretics" on this forum like you, confrinting, Orville, 4GVN,justachristian1, OLDJG and the rest of the bible only "bashing buffoon" who attack my personal faith (the faith of Regina, Anthony, Clay and other Catholics ------AND my own personal salvation and relationship in Jesus Christ and His One True Catholic Church.
HOJO says.......Sure--I walked away from my original Protestant bible only Church, but I still worship there "once in a while" and visit my bible only Christian friends.

WHAT!! You come on this forum slamming every protestant within 100 miles and now you claim you sneak back to your old protestant church once in awhile to visit to remenice?

Make up your mind!!
Clay

United States

#403760 Nov 21, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Would you REALLY care about this man named Jesus if he didn't promise eternal salvation?
Would you still be interested in his earthly life? Would you care about all the characters in the story that you know off by heart? NO you wouldn't. So in essence you don't care for Jesus because he was a good man, you ONLY care about him because you believe he promised you something.
I only care about Jesus because He promises me something??

I understand in the Atheist world its all about me me me. You only view the world as far as your personal satisfaction can allow you.

In Christianity its not about me me me at all.

I happen to love Jesus Christ and I believe through the Eucharist and Gospel I've come to know Him.

Heck, I feel like I know Him better than I know members of my own family. That's the truth.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#403761 Nov 21, 2012
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Confrinting----YOU are the "railer" on this forum---"railing, condemning and judging the faith and salvation of other Christians, especially Catholics. I respect your wife KAYMARIE!
(Again) she is the "only TRUE Christian" in your family!!!
~~~

I stick with the subject...of this forum

Which is,,,

"Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican."

TO YOU ...

I am evidently the subject..
___

I write about the Roman Catholic church versus the Bible...
___

You write about me and attempt to judge me personally..

which is a waste of time.

___

I write about a bogus religious system.

You judge my relationship with God.

___

I do what God has call me to do...

which is....

2Ti_4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

You go against the word of God and attempt to judge me.
___

JESUS SAID..

Mat_7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Luk_6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

1Co_9:16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea,

woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM ?
Clay

United States

#403762 Nov 21, 2012
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
If Jesus was such a great man wouldn't one believe that christians would know much about this man?
They know nothing.
1) When was he actually born? No one knows
2) What did he do to support himself? No one knows.
3) What did he look like? No one knows.
4) What was the date of the crucifixion and resurrection? No one knows that either.
5) Was he married? No one can verify if he was or not, though christians don't want him to have been married.
No one really knows anything about a man that christians claim to be the greatest man that ever lived.
How can you Clay state you love this man, yet in reality you wouldn't know him if he came back because you have no idea what he even looked like. UNBELIEVABLE!
makes no common sense!
You don't realize how difficult it was to gather and attain information back then. In fact, up until a hundred yrs ago, info was still difficult to attain.
What do you expect Mike?
We're lucky to have the few letters we do have from that time period.

His actual birthday is irrelevant. I doubt Mary and Joseph reserved the table at the local Chunky Cheese for Jesus and His cousins.
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#403763 Nov 21, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, Catholicism is so deep rooted in scripture its not even funny. Especially the Old Testament flowing into the New. All the teachings are entwined in scripture.(the way scripture was meant to be)
Whereas the born agains, largely ignore the Old Testament and isolate verse after verse in the New.
"unless a man becomes born again" has become the only biblical thing you guys seem to follow. And you managed to twist that one... Along with countless other teachings.
scripturecatholic.com is a good source.
CLAY says....... All the teachings are entwined in scripture.(the way scripture was meant to be.

Michael says.......If the teachings were NOT entwined in scripture you would say that is the way it was meant to be.

Millions of stories have been told from the past. The only one you believe is the one about Jesus. YOu know nothing personally about the characters who lived (or maybe they didn't)
yet you put all your trust into every word they said, and today we have catholic fathers who are successions to the ones from the past, and lies, deceit and coverup scandals are their forte.

HOLY SHITE!

BUSTED!
frogmann

Pittsburgh, PA

#403764 Nov 21, 2012
youtube.com/watch... old fart or young stinkers is the Vatican

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#403765 Nov 21, 2012
who="Michael"]
If Jesus was such a great man wouldn't one believe that christians would know much about this man?
They know nothing.
1) When was he actually born? No one knows
2) What did he do to support himself? No one knows.
3) What did he look like? No one knows.
4) What was the date of the crucifixion and resurrection? No one knows that either.
5) Was he married? No one can verify if he was or not, though christians don't want him to have been married.
No one really knows anything about a man that christians claim to be the greatest man that ever lived.

~~~

NO MAN (THAT WAS EVER BORN ON EARTH)... HAS HAD MORE INFLUENCE UPON MAN KIND THAN JESUS CHRIST.

As for your questions about Him...

Even though man cannot point out the day of His Birth

Question #1
Men that were fighting against each other have climbed out of their trenches and sang together...Wars have stopped (for a day) to celebrate the memorial day that has been chosen to Honor Him.

# 2.
Strangers from the east brought gifts to Him at His birth and one of the gifts was Gold...
The Bible does not say just how much gold it was..
Also the entourage that traveled with Him evidently helped in providing His needs.

#3.

Is it not bad enough that men have taken a statue/image/icon ...of a corruptible man and attempted to imitate his personage...
What do you think it would be like if and the millions that would be made if any one actually kew what He looked like.

#4
The purpose That Jesus came to earth...

(to sacrifice his Life for the sins of man )
is
edivently that which is greater importance.

___

In the Old and New Testament it is written ..

First by Isaiah.

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

THEN BY JESUS HIMSELF

Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

THE PURPOSE

Luk_19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

IS OF THE GREATER IMPORTANCE ....THAN MOST OF YOUR QUESTIONS

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#403766 Nov 21, 2012
who="7th Day Catholics Rock" You won't believe whats at the center of the Bible
&fe ature=related

**********

VERY Interesting...

KM
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#403767 Nov 21, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't realize how difficult it was to gather and attain information back then. In fact, up until a hundred yrs ago, info was still difficult to attain.
What do you expect Mike?
We're lucky to have the few letters we do have from that time period.
His actual birthday is irrelevant. I doubt Mary and Joseph reserved the table at the local Chunky Cheese for Jesus and His cousins.
There is tons of information about PEOPLE OF IMPORTANCE from the past.

There are reems of literature from the lives of the jews filling libraries. We have much information about Juluis Cesaer who lived 100 years before the Jesus story with exact dates of his birth and death.

Just google mediteranean ancient religions and there are throngs of information of the egyptian Gods, with writings today still visible on the walls of caves explaining much about them.

If christians believe Jesus was the greatest man that ever lived wouldn't one believe that when he died and was laid to rest somebody would have recorded that most important date, and handed it down verbally or written back in the day. WE HAVE ZERO.

We all know since the beginning of mankind they have believed in different forms of a god, gods or goddesses. 1 headed gods, 2 headed gods, 3 person in one god, its all there.

Christianity comes along and what are they all about? Another God story, another eternal salvation story, another story about heaven/hell, demons, sacrificial meals, baptisms, that were all taught by others lonnnng before Jesus ever arrived.
http://www.rationalresponders.com/silence_scr...

A man claimed to have brought dead people back to life, restored the sight of a blind man, fed thousands of people from a few specs of food, was followed around with huge crowds of the day like he was Justin Bieber of today. Yet we have not one contemporary writing.

makes no common sense.

something is wrong!

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