Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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And most of them sound like jibber to me but of course their not.
And of course unknown languages that cannot be interpreted have no meaning...
I believe some here are making this more difficult than it needs to be.
It is not difficult at all, Marge....

You just need discernment of the scriptures....

It is so simple...no one today has the power that was given to the apostles of the laying on of hands and giving someone the "gift to speak in tongues." NO ONE....

DO NOT BE DECEIVED....
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Nothing shocking there.
Keep reaching!
As you know there were many scriptures written. The catholic fathers from back in the day, have convinced the followers that they were instilled with "SPECIAL POWERS" to sort out the fraudulent gospels from the real McCoys. WOW!

Why would any gospel that described the life history of a man WHO ACTUALLY LIVED be deemed fraudulent?

Who writes books about an actual character who lived that was wrong?

Catholic agenda, by a handful of powerful religious men, who used the might and manpower of "General" Constantine to fight their cause to the death of others to further their cause.........WALLA! The catholic church evolves.

Sun Worship
The real secret of Constantine and the bishops of Rome was their cunning introduction of sun worship and paganism into Christianity. It was done so shrewdly that, and incredibly, it has been veiled within the faith for centuries. Through Constantine, paganism and Christianity joined hands in the Roman Empire.

Constantine a proud pagan probably said, its 324 AD, if you change the day of worship to the pagan sunday that I worship the sun god on, "I'M IN" Let the fighting begin.

UNBELIEVABLE!
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And an angel of God would not speak contrary the the Word of God, I'm pretty sure it's impossible to deceive one born of Jesus, we go back to again, one must be born-again to know and see the kingdom of God.
Marge,

Are you saying that a Christian cannot be deceived????

If you believe this, Marge, you are SADLY mistaken...

Matthew 24:3-5

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the <<<disciples> >> came to him privately.“Tell us,” they said,“when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

4 Jesus answered:~~~“Watch out that no one deceives you.~~~

5 ***For many will come in my name, claiming,‘I am the Messiah,’ and <will deceive many.>***
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And today there are other cults as well.
There were heretic cults in the first century and every century since.
Any other shocking bombshells?
The hierarchy of Bishops, Priests and Deacons determined authenticity of Christian teachings. Through the Church and only the Church could Christ deliver His truth to the world.
Our Lord did not use sporadic cults to deliver His Ministry. Those cults lived and died, and the Church carried on. Different teachings fizzled away, the Truth prevailed.
What else does the 'Mind that is free' have to offer?
Never mind, you bore me. I would rather discuss theology with a block wall.
Clay says.......The hierarchy of Bishops, Priests and Deacons determined authenticity of Christian teachings.

So! A very few select Men from 17 centuries ago, that you know nothing in a personal way about, have convinced you 100% of what they said is the actual truth.

The pope today who is in succession of the men from 17 centuries ago that you admire so much, this pope CLAIMS he didn't know about the sex abuse scandals were being committed by his very own minions around the world for years........

I wish I had some swamp land for sale. I could describe it nicely and you would buy it all.

UNBELIEVABLE!
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Again, nothing shocking here.
Do you think its a bombshell that Christians had different opinions in the first century? Lol
An Earthly authority determined the correct understandings. This authority was the Catholic Church with the Bishops ordained by the Apostles.
Anything else?


When one becomes afraid or unwilling to assume total respnsibility for your own life, one who prays for permission to continue living, than you're a perfect match for organized religion. CONGRATULATIONS!
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Clay says.......The hierarchy of Bishops, Priests and Deacons determined authenticity of Christian teachings.
So! A very few select Men from 17 centuries ago, that you know nothing in a personal way about, have convinced you 100% of what they said is the actual truth.
The pope today who is in succession of the men from 17 centuries ago that you admire so much, this pope CLAIMS he didn't know about the sex abuse scandals were being committed by his very own minions around the world for years........
I wish I had some swamp land for sale. I could describe it nicely and you would buy it all.
UNBELIEVABLE!
I find it so weird that you'll use any situation and any scenario to post about child sexual abuse.
Even if it has nothing to do with it, you'll find away to bring up this topic.
Sick and pathetic.

This is your life Mike.
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Christians need to prepare themselves spiritually (BE AWARE AND BE WATCHFUL) so that they will not be taken in by false teachings.

2 Peter 2:1-3

1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will <<<SECRETLY>> > introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.

2 <<<<<Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.>>>>>

3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
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When one becomes afraid or unwilling to assume total respnsibility for your own life, one who prays for permission to continue living, than you're a perfect match for organized religion. CONGRATULATIONS!
Whoa. Are you saying I'm Catholic because I'm afraid of something? What is it, death?

Maybe that describes you and your reasons for leaving the Church. Perhaps you feel that if you can somehow demean the Church every single day, you can feel better about your choice.
(that annoying pillar of faith reminds too many people of the Truth in Jesus Christ)

For the record, I'm not Catholic because I read anything. I'm Catholic for lots of reasons, but especially because of the Holy Eucharist. I knew from a very early age there was something special about it. And I never even believed it was the actual body and blood until I was in my twenties.
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As you know there were many scriptures written. The catholic fathers from back in the day, have convinced the followers that they were instilled with "SPECIAL POWERS" to sort out the fraudulent gospels from the real McCoys. WOW!
Why would any gospel that described the life history of a man WHO ACTUALLY LIVED be deemed fraudulent?
Who writes books about an actual character who lived that was wrong?
Catholic agenda, by a handful of powerful religious men, who used the might and manpower of "General" Constantine to fight their cause to the death of others to further their cause.........WALLA! The catholic church evolves.
Sun Worship
The real secret of Constantine and the bishops of Rome was their cunning introduction of sun worship and paganism into Christianity. It was done so shrewdly that, and incredibly, it has been veiled within the faith for centuries. Through Constantine, paganism and Christianity joined hands in the Roman Empire.
Constantine a proud pagan probably said, its 324 AD, if you change the day of worship to the pagan sunday that I worship the sun god on, "I'M IN" Let the fighting begin.
UNBELIEVABLE!
Actually, Sunday Worship can be traced hundreds of yrs before Constantine.
Apostolic Father, Justin Martyr, wrote about the Catholic Mass in the first Century:
"on the day of the Sun, we gather together..."

I heard the Protestant lie that Constantine established the Catholic Church..
I suppose this lie was effective because Constantine was a pagan who converted. And he was the Emperor of Rome. Protestants needed to trash the Catholic Church so they made up a story about Constantine establishing the Mass, Sunday Worship, icons and statues, the Eucharist...
The list goes on.
The truth is: the Church converted Constantine. Not the other way around.
Paganism and Christianity were not joined together under him like you and Protestants claim.
We have writings and other evidence that shows the faith remarkably similar before and after Constantine.
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Yes.There is a large piece with which this is done very publicly. This is called the Fraction Rite.
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That would be the ideal for all of them, but not as practical. I suppose you could argue that it was "broken" by the stamping machine, but I din't really like that idea, and I don't know that that was done after baking, in any case.
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The CDF is stricter than the Jews as to what constitutes "unleavened bread," insisting that we have 0% leaven, which makes producing a loaf not especially easy.
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I would prefer we use the fairly simple "unleavened bread" many Jews do (strictly speaking, it usually has a tiny amount, not that they decided to "add only a small amount, but that they would have a small mass of dough which they NORMALLY would have added some "more" yeast to, but in the case of the Passover bread, they did not ADD any more. With this type of bread, you can tear it, and get few crumbs.(Think of a soft wheat-flour tortilla, and you will be pretty close to what I mean. We're not supposed to be using that, unfortunately.)
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Being no baker, I may not truly understand this. I am only going by my best understanding of what one or two professors said about theorized baking practices among the Jews at the time of the Exodus.
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I once had to celebrate mass using Wonder Bread.(I was horrified, but I wasn't going to cancel mass for the scouts just because *I* had failed to pick up the bag of communion breads off the back seat, when I transferred all the mass supplies from my little rollerskate car into the SUV.
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Was that mass was technically breaking the rules, in some ways, I think the sign of the Eucharist was better expressed that in most masses, as EVERY piece of Holy Communion was quite obviously torn from a larger piece, and this IS the idea expression of the sign.
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Still. Wonder Bread. Yuck.
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I may miss Twinkies and Orange CupCakes, but I am sort of glad Wonder Bread is going away... ;-)
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Rob
OK, I love my Twinkies...what can I say....
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That was a long time ago but since they are of great interest to you and flat your boat....and you want them told again I will be glad to relate them again..
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The first one's name was Mike ..a retired steel worker..
Mike had lost his first wife and married a lady that was not Catholic..
The Catholic Priest showed up at his door in later years....( after Mike and his wife had raised all their Children in parochial school and Mike had supported and attended the Roman Catholic Church faithfully for years)
The priest informed Mike that he could not have the last rites of the Roman Catholic Church because of his marriage to a evangelical woman.
Mike almost lost his mind...
He left the Roman Catholic Church and turned evangelical for the rest of His life... as did all his family.
If you don't believe this ..that is your problem.....
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The second Man's name is Fred...
He and his girlfriend were sexually active before marriage
she became pregnant, and having ask the Roman Catholic priest to perform their Marriage..
.He recommended abortion...
The daughter that the priest recommended should have been aborted was
born and is now Married and the wife and Mother of Protestant twins.
I had forgotten about these events ...
but since they are of such interest to you and you brought them up...
The rest of the world will hear about them again.
I will gladly share
these events again any time you prompt me to..
Baloney.

You two must feel very proud of yourselves. Have a nice Thanksgiving.
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The poor nuns of america.

50 years ago after Vatican II was initiated, the nuns were given the ability to modernize themselves. Many of them obliged. Dress in everyday clothes, go out into communities helping the poor and needy get out of the stuffy convents. Educate themselves to aquire knowledge and self esteem.

Years later the bishops discovered many of these "WOMEN" were now better educated then themselves, the church took notice and they didn't like it one bit! A woman better than a man!

Now the pope has decided to investigate these nuns who work tirelessly in the trenches while the bishops relax in their mansions in their easy boy chairs drinking Sherry and watching Springer on tv.

The bible often mentions this man Jesus helping the poor and the needy in the communities. The exact same thing these wayward nuns are doing.

Well this Pope Benedict doesn't want anypart of that. He wants these nuns back in uniform, discussing subjects such as birth control and homosexuality to help the church leaders squash the current american government agenda.

I do remember clearly reading about Jesus helping the poor and needy just as the nuns are doing, I don't recall any story about a Jesus discussing at length homosexuality and birth control.

THE NUNS HAVE IT RIGHT!

Its a power control by the hirearchy of the roman catholic church. Lets face it the church leaders are women haters, and they will do everything in their power to never let a woman be equal to them.

Any woman who subscribes to that way of thinking has little or no self esteem of their own.

I have stated for 4 years on this forum. The catholic church is solely about POWER and CONTROL, and women are not allowed to control anything.

very sad but true.
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KayMarie, several of us have already explained to you that she was doing exactly what she was supposed to be doing. Not a drop of the Precious Blood of Christ is to be left in the chalice. It's usually consumed by the priest and then wiped clean, but some dioceses permit the Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist to do this. There is usually only a tiny amount left which is why the chalice has to be tipped all the way back. When I say not one drop is to be left, I mean not one single drop or even trace amount. It is, after all, the Blood of Christ and we leave no chance for it to be profaned or desecrated.
So she wasn't sneaking a quick drink, which is what you seem to be implying. Why you continue to imply it is beyond me. I don't even understand why you brought it up the first time.
We've told them several times. They don't really care what the truth of the matter is, it's all about trashing the Catholic Church.

I'm glad to see you made it through the storm Regina, hope the recovery goes quickly.
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I find it so weird that you'll use any situation and any scenario to post about child sexual abuse.
Even if it has nothing to do with it, you'll find away to bring up this topic.
Sick and pathetic.
This is your life Mike.
CLAYPOOL says....

I find it so weird that you'll use any situation and any scenario to post about child sexual abuse.

MICHAEL says.......

This is the biggest story in your church in 500 years. It has been worldwide. A perverted sub culture of men within your church who have abused, lied, deceived and covered up the worst sins of all, and you just keep pushing it off to the side, hoping it all just goes away.

Very sad....



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Baloney.
You two must feel very proud of yourselves. Have a nice Thanksgiving.
I am sure these stories are true. Why would a church pastor and his loving wife make up lies?

Sometimes the truth hurts. How many accurate stories have I posted about catholic clergy running amuck, that catholics don't want to believe are true? THOUSANDS!

UNBELIEVABLE!

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Michael wrote:
The poor nuns of america.
50 years ago after Vatican II was initiated, the nuns were given the ability to modernize themselves. Many of them obliged. Dress in everyday clothes, go out into communities helping the poor and needy get out of the stuffy convents. Educate themselves to aquire knowledge and self esteem.
Years later the bishops discovered many of these "WOMEN" were now better educated then themselves, the church took notice and they didn't like it one bit! A woman better than a man!
Now the pope has decided to investigate these nuns who work tirelessly in the trenches while the bishops relax in their mansions in their easy boy chairs drinking Sherry and watching Springer on tv.
The bible often mentions this man Jesus helping the poor and the needy in the communities. The exact same thing these wayward nuns are doing.
Well this Pope Benedict doesn't want anypart of that. He wants these nuns back in uniform, discussing subjects such as birth control and homosexuality to help the church leaders squash the current american government agenda.
I do remember clearly reading about Jesus helping the poor and needy just as the nuns are doing, I don't recall any story about a Jesus discussing at length homosexuality and birth control.
THE NUNS HAVE IT RIGHT!
Its a power control by the hirearchy of the roman catholic church. Lets face it the church leaders are women haters, and they will do everything in their power to never let a woman be equal to them.
Any woman who subscribes to that way of thinking has little or no self esteem of their own.
I have stated for 4 years on this forum. The catholic church is solely about POWER and CONTROL, and women are not allowed to control anything.
very sad but true.
Just think at one time they would have been burned at the stake as witches.
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LOL..Regina good to see you are ok.:-) Yea she most certainly did impy very smugly. I dont recall the exact words, but wasn't she supposedly hiding behind a curtain originally where she thought she couldnt be seen? ROTFL Nothing implied there at all. Now she just stepped into an adjacent room. ;0
LOL, glad to see you're laughing 'cause I've been doing the same. You're right, it originally was a curtain, now it's an adjacent room. I'm surprised she didn't furtively glance around before guzzling and then let out a giggle or two as she stumbled back out. I can see it all now!
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Orville,
Today, we have the Word of God....we do not need the "speaking of tongues...."
Besides, the "speaking of tongues" was for the Jews....
In the Law it is written:
“With other tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
<<<<<I will speak to this people,>>>>>
but even then they will not listen to me,
says the Lord.”
Is God not the same God to all generations, to every tribe, tongue and nation.
Speaking in other tongues is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Are not these gift available to this generation.
God said in the last days I will pour out my spirit Act 2:17.
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Just think at one time they would have been burned at the stake as witches.
HELLO LTM.......

LTM says..........Just think at one time they would have been burned at the stake as witches.

Michael says.......If this pope had his way he would be lighting the fires himself.

Any large organization worth its salt, that whenever a major issue arises, you don't wait 50 years!!! to address the problem if a problem exists. The hard working nuns never molested anyone, yet investigations of them. Bishops around the world lied, deceived the followers, and covered up the worst sins IMMAGINABLE in the name of the catholic church, and NOT ONE investigation of them.



.....The roman catholic church leaders are deep down women haters. In our modern day educated society we have long gotten rid of INEQUALITY. The catholic church is more interested in birth control and homosexuality demons yet they themselves have MORE than their fare share of gay clergy but they are not addressing that issue! WHY? I am sure father Rob, if he is honest, can attest to that.

Its very sad when I see catholics on this form trashing anyone that gets in their way. Their thinking is warped, and they have more than enough social/economic problems themselves instead of worrying about anyone else.
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who="ReginaM"] We do receive the Precious Blood of Christ. Unfortunately, there are Catholics who don't know or understand their faith. They're on auto-pilot and wind up giving out wrong information. I'm from the old school, pre-Vatican II. The nuns taught us very well. Going to Catholic school, especially back then, made a big difference. Our religious education was more thorough. Even so, we have a responsibility to mature in our faith all through our lives. That requires some effort on our part as we attempt to grow closer to God.
As for the wedding mass you attended, well, yes, you did imply something. You said that she "stepped in an adjacent room....(where she thought she could not be seen by those in the congregation) She turned the chalice up and drink ever last drop that was in it."
As I said, she wasn't trying to "not be seen by those in the congregation". She turned the chalice up and drank every last drop that was in it because she was supposed to. You make it sound like she snuck away to guzzle the wine and got caught, lol! Really, KayMarie, you know better than to do something like that. I've been to a few Protestant weddings in my time, and all I was concerned with was the beauty of the marriage and the happiness of the couple. If you didn't understand what you were seeing, you should have asked someone to explain it. So, now you know. If you have any other questions about the Catholic faith, please feel free to ask any one of us. We'd be happy to help!
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"Really, KayMarie, you know better than to do something like that."
Sounds like you are scolding a child...
I didn't 'make it sound' like anything, Regina. Nor did I say that she went into an adjacent room. She simply stepped behind a curtain on the platform, else I would not have seen her. Can't you imagine how out of place it seemed IN A WEDDING? She SHOULD have gone into another room, then there would have been no question raised, and she would not have distracted from the beauty of the ceremony.
KayMarie
KayMarie, I meant to add that it was far from out of place at a wedding. It's part of the Mass. If she didn't empty the chalice, the priest would have. Protecting the Blood of Christ from desecration only *adds* to the beauty, not distracts from it.

Every word, every action in the Mass has a purpose. The liturgy is ancient. I remember reading that a Jewish woman who attended Mass was shocked that some of the prayers were almost identical to those she was used to.

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