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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 665571 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Clay

Denver, CO

#403580 Nov 20, 2012
Michael wrote:
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When one becomes afraid or unwilling to assume total respnsibility for your own life, one who prays for permission to continue living, than you're a perfect match for organized religion. CONGRATULATIONS!
Whoa. Are you saying I'm Catholic because I'm afraid of something? What is it, death?

Maybe that describes you and your reasons for leaving the Church. Perhaps you feel that if you can somehow demean the Church every single day, you can feel better about your choice.
(that annoying pillar of faith reminds too many people of the Truth in Jesus Christ)

For the record, I'm not Catholic because I read anything. I'm Catholic for lots of reasons, but especially because of the Holy Eucharist. I knew from a very early age there was something special about it. And I never even believed it was the actual body and blood until I was in my twenties.
Clay

Denver, CO

#403581 Nov 20, 2012
Michael wrote:
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As you know there were many scriptures written. The catholic fathers from back in the day, have convinced the followers that they were instilled with "SPECIAL POWERS" to sort out the fraudulent gospels from the real McCoys. WOW!
Why would any gospel that described the life history of a man WHO ACTUALLY LIVED be deemed fraudulent?
Who writes books about an actual character who lived that was wrong?
Catholic agenda, by a handful of powerful religious men, who used the might and manpower of "General" Constantine to fight their cause to the death of others to further their cause.........WALLA! The catholic church evolves.
Sun Worship
The real secret of Constantine and the bishops of Rome was their cunning introduction of sun worship and paganism into Christianity. It was done so shrewdly that, and incredibly, it has been veiled within the faith for centuries. Through Constantine, paganism and Christianity joined hands in the Roman Empire.
Constantine a proud pagan probably said, its 324 AD, if you change the day of worship to the pagan sunday that I worship the sun god on, "I'M IN" Let the fighting begin.
UNBELIEVABLE!
Actually, Sunday Worship can be traced hundreds of yrs before Constantine.
Apostolic Father, Justin Martyr, wrote about the Catholic Mass in the first Century:
"on the day of the Sun, we gather together..."

I heard the Protestant lie that Constantine established the Catholic Church..
I suppose this lie was effective because Constantine was a pagan who converted. And he was the Emperor of Rome. Protestants needed to trash the Catholic Church so they made up a story about Constantine establishing the Mass, Sunday Worship, icons and statues, the Eucharist...
The list goes on.
The truth is: the Church converted Constantine. Not the other way around.
Paganism and Christianity were not joined together under him like you and Protestants claim.
We have writings and other evidence that shows the faith remarkably similar before and after Constantine.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#403582 Nov 20, 2012
Fr Robert Dye wrote:
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Yes.There is a large piece with which this is done very publicly. This is called the Fraction Rite.
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That would be the ideal for all of them, but not as practical. I suppose you could argue that it was "broken" by the stamping machine, but I din't really like that idea, and I don't know that that was done after baking, in any case.
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The CDF is stricter than the Jews as to what constitutes "unleavened bread," insisting that we have 0% leaven, which makes producing a loaf not especially easy.
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I would prefer we use the fairly simple "unleavened bread" many Jews do (strictly speaking, it usually has a tiny amount, not that they decided to "add only a small amount, but that they would have a small mass of dough which they NORMALLY would have added some "more" yeast to, but in the case of the Passover bread, they did not ADD any more. With this type of bread, you can tear it, and get few crumbs.(Think of a soft wheat-flour tortilla, and you will be pretty close to what I mean. We're not supposed to be using that, unfortunately.)
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Being no baker, I may not truly understand this. I am only going by my best understanding of what one or two professors said about theorized baking practices among the Jews at the time of the Exodus.
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I once had to celebrate mass using Wonder Bread.(I was horrified, but I wasn't going to cancel mass for the scouts just because *I* had failed to pick up the bag of communion breads off the back seat, when I transferred all the mass supplies from my little rollerskate car into the SUV.
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Was that mass was technically breaking the rules, in some ways, I think the sign of the Eucharist was better expressed that in most masses, as EVERY piece of Holy Communion was quite obviously torn from a larger piece, and this IS the idea expression of the sign.
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Still. Wonder Bread. Yuck.
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I may miss Twinkies and Orange CupCakes, but I am sort of glad Wonder Bread is going away... ;-)
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Rob
OK, I love my Twinkies...what can I say....
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#403583 Nov 20, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
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That was a long time ago but since they are of great interest to you and flat your boat....and you want them told again I will be glad to relate them again..
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The first one's name was Mike ..a retired steel worker..
Mike had lost his first wife and married a lady that was not Catholic..
The Catholic Priest showed up at his door in later years....( after Mike and his wife had raised all their Children in parochial school and Mike had supported and attended the Roman Catholic Church faithfully for years)
The priest informed Mike that he could not have the last rites of the Roman Catholic Church because of his marriage to a evangelical woman.
Mike almost lost his mind...
He left the Roman Catholic Church and turned evangelical for the rest of His life... as did all his family.
If you don't believe this ..that is your problem.....
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The second Man's name is Fred...
He and his girlfriend were sexually active before marriage
she became pregnant, and having ask the Roman Catholic priest to perform their Marriage..
.He recommended abortion...
The daughter that the priest recommended should have been aborted was
born and is now Married and the wife and Mother of Protestant twins.
I had forgotten about these events ...
but since they are of such interest to you and you brought them up...
The rest of the world will hear about them again.
I will gladly share
these events again any time you prompt me to..
Baloney.

You two must feel very proud of yourselves. Have a nice Thanksgiving.
Michael

Canada

#403584 Nov 20, 2012
The poor nuns of america.

50 years ago after Vatican II was initiated, the nuns were given the ability to modernize themselves. Many of them obliged. Dress in everyday clothes, go out into communities helping the poor and needy get out of the stuffy convents. Educate themselves to aquire knowledge and self esteem.

Years later the bishops discovered many of these "WOMEN" were now better educated then themselves, the church took notice and they didn't like it one bit! A woman better than a man!

Now the pope has decided to investigate these nuns who work tirelessly in the trenches while the bishops relax in their mansions in their easy boy chairs drinking Sherry and watching Springer on tv.

The bible often mentions this man Jesus helping the poor and the needy in the communities. The exact same thing these wayward nuns are doing.

Well this Pope Benedict doesn't want anypart of that. He wants these nuns back in uniform, discussing subjects such as birth control and homosexuality to help the church leaders squash the current american government agenda.

I do remember clearly reading about Jesus helping the poor and needy just as the nuns are doing, I don't recall any story about a Jesus discussing at length homosexuality and birth control.

THE NUNS HAVE IT RIGHT!

Its a power control by the hirearchy of the roman catholic church. Lets face it the church leaders are women haters, and they will do everything in their power to never let a woman be equal to them.

Any woman who subscribes to that way of thinking has little or no self esteem of their own.

I have stated for 4 years on this forum. The catholic church is solely about POWER and CONTROL, and women are not allowed to control anything.

very sad but true.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#403585 Nov 20, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
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KayMarie, several of us have already explained to you that she was doing exactly what she was supposed to be doing. Not a drop of the Precious Blood of Christ is to be left in the chalice. It's usually consumed by the priest and then wiped clean, but some dioceses permit the Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist to do this. There is usually only a tiny amount left which is why the chalice has to be tipped all the way back. When I say not one drop is to be left, I mean not one single drop or even trace amount. It is, after all, the Blood of Christ and we leave no chance for it to be profaned or desecrated.
So she wasn't sneaking a quick drink, which is what you seem to be implying. Why you continue to imply it is beyond me. I don't even understand why you brought it up the first time.
We've told them several times. They don't really care what the truth of the matter is, it's all about trashing the Catholic Church.

I'm glad to see you made it through the storm Regina, hope the recovery goes quickly.
Michael

Canada

#403586 Nov 20, 2012
Clay wrote:
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I find it so weird that you'll use any situation and any scenario to post about child sexual abuse.
Even if it has nothing to do with it, you'll find away to bring up this topic.
Sick and pathetic.
This is your life Mike.
CLAYPOOL says....

I find it so weird that you'll use any situation and any scenario to post about child sexual abuse.

MICHAEL says.......

This is the biggest story in your church in 500 years. It has been worldwide. A perverted sub culture of men within your church who have abused, lied, deceived and covered up the worst sins of all, and you just keep pushing it off to the side, hoping it all just goes away.

Very sad....



Michael

Canada

#403587 Nov 20, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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Baloney.
You two must feel very proud of yourselves. Have a nice Thanksgiving.
I am sure these stories are true. Why would a church pastor and his loving wife make up lies?

Sometimes the truth hurts. How many accurate stories have I posted about catholic clergy running amuck, that catholics don't want to believe are true? THOUSANDS!

UNBELIEVABLE!

LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#403588 Nov 20, 2012
Michael wrote:
The poor nuns of america.
50 years ago after Vatican II was initiated, the nuns were given the ability to modernize themselves. Many of them obliged. Dress in everyday clothes, go out into communities helping the poor and needy get out of the stuffy convents. Educate themselves to aquire knowledge and self esteem.
Years later the bishops discovered many of these "WOMEN" were now better educated then themselves, the church took notice and they didn't like it one bit! A woman better than a man!
Now the pope has decided to investigate these nuns who work tirelessly in the trenches while the bishops relax in their mansions in their easy boy chairs drinking Sherry and watching Springer on tv.
The bible often mentions this man Jesus helping the poor and the needy in the communities. The exact same thing these wayward nuns are doing.
Well this Pope Benedict doesn't want anypart of that. He wants these nuns back in uniform, discussing subjects such as birth control and homosexuality to help the church leaders squash the current american government agenda.
I do remember clearly reading about Jesus helping the poor and needy just as the nuns are doing, I don't recall any story about a Jesus discussing at length homosexuality and birth control.
THE NUNS HAVE IT RIGHT!
Its a power control by the hirearchy of the roman catholic church. Lets face it the church leaders are women haters, and they will do everything in their power to never let a woman be equal to them.
Any woman who subscribes to that way of thinking has little or no self esteem of their own.
I have stated for 4 years on this forum. The catholic church is solely about POWER and CONTROL, and women are not allowed to control anything.
very sad but true.
Just think at one time they would have been burned at the stake as witches.
ReginaM

Point Pleasant Beach, NJ

#403589 Nov 20, 2012
Dust Storm wrote:
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LOL..Regina good to see you are ok.:-) Yea she most certainly did impy very smugly. I dont recall the exact words, but wasn't she supposedly hiding behind a curtain originally where she thought she couldnt be seen? ROTFL Nothing implied there at all. Now she just stepped into an adjacent room. ;0
LOL, glad to see you're laughing 'cause I've been doing the same. You're right, it originally was a curtain, now it's an adjacent room. I'm surprised she didn't furtively glance around before guzzling and then let out a giggle or two as she stumbled back out. I can see it all now!
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#403590 Nov 20, 2012
Truth wrote:
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Orville,
Today, we have the Word of God....we do not need the "speaking of tongues...."
Besides, the "speaking of tongues" was for the Jews....
In the Law it is written:
“With other tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
<<<<<I will speak to this people,>>>>>
but even then they will not listen to me,
says the Lord.”
Is God not the same God to all generations, to every tribe, tongue and nation.
Speaking in other tongues is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Are not these gift available to this generation.
God said in the last days I will pour out my spirit Act 2:17.
Michael

Canada

#403591 Nov 20, 2012
LTM wrote:
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Just think at one time they would have been burned at the stake as witches.
HELLO LTM.......

LTM says..........Just think at one time they would have been burned at the stake as witches.

Michael says.......If this pope had his way he would be lighting the fires himself.

Any large organization worth its salt, that whenever a major issue arises, you don't wait 50 years!!! to address the problem if a problem exists. The hard working nuns never molested anyone, yet investigations of them. Bishops around the world lied, deceived the followers, and covered up the worst sins IMMAGINABLE in the name of the catholic church, and NOT ONE investigation of them.



.....The roman catholic church leaders are deep down women haters. In our modern day educated society we have long gotten rid of INEQUALITY. The catholic church is more interested in birth control and homosexuality demons yet they themselves have MORE than their fare share of gay clergy but they are not addressing that issue! WHY? I am sure father Rob, if he is honest, can attest to that.

Its very sad when I see catholics on this form trashing anyone that gets in their way. Their thinking is warped, and they have more than enough social/economic problems themselves instead of worrying about anyone else.
ReginaM

Point Pleasant Beach, NJ

#403592 Nov 20, 2012
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="ReginaM"] We do receive the Precious Blood of Christ. Unfortunately, there are Catholics who don't know or understand their faith. They're on auto-pilot and wind up giving out wrong information. I'm from the old school, pre-Vatican II. The nuns taught us very well. Going to Catholic school, especially back then, made a big difference. Our religious education was more thorough. Even so, we have a responsibility to mature in our faith all through our lives. That requires some effort on our part as we attempt to grow closer to God.
As for the wedding mass you attended, well, yes, you did imply something. You said that she "stepped in an adjacent room....(where she thought she could not be seen by those in the congregation) She turned the chalice up and drink ever last drop that was in it."
As I said, she wasn't trying to "not be seen by those in the congregation". She turned the chalice up and drank every last drop that was in it because she was supposed to. You make it sound like she snuck away to guzzle the wine and got caught, lol! Really, KayMarie, you know better than to do something like that. I've been to a few Protestant weddings in my time, and all I was concerned with was the beauty of the marriage and the happiness of the couple. If you didn't understand what you were seeing, you should have asked someone to explain it. So, now you know. If you have any other questions about the Catholic faith, please feel free to ask any one of us. We'd be happy to help!
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"Really, KayMarie, you know better than to do something like that."
Sounds like you are scolding a child...
I didn't 'make it sound' like anything, Regina. Nor did I say that she went into an adjacent room. She simply stepped behind a curtain on the platform, else I would not have seen her. Can't you imagine how out of place it seemed IN A WEDDING? She SHOULD have gone into another room, then there would have been no question raised, and she would not have distracted from the beauty of the ceremony.
KayMarie
KayMarie, I meant to add that it was far from out of place at a wedding. It's part of the Mass. If she didn't empty the chalice, the priest would have. Protecting the Blood of Christ from desecration only *adds* to the beauty, not distracts from it.

Every word, every action in the Mass has a purpose. The liturgy is ancient. I remember reading that a Jewish woman who attended Mass was shocked that some of the prayers were almost identical to those she was used to.
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#403593 Nov 20, 2012
Clay wrote:
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Again, nothing shocking here.
Do you think its a bombshell that Christians had different opinions in the first century? Lol
An Earthly authority determined the correct understandings. This authority was the Catholic Church with the Bishops ordained by the Apostles.
Anything else?
"AND EARTHLY AUTHORITY DETERMINED THE CORRECT UNDERSTANDING."
I can't believe you posted that clay. There is no earthly authority over the word of God, and only the Holy Spirit can give a person the correct understanding of His Holy Word.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#403594 Nov 20, 2012
7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:
Comments (Page 19,445)
Michael wrote:
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I try to be nice to everyone, and this is the thanks I get from you?
lol, you have shown yourself to be one of the most obnoxious posters, even
HOJO who likes everyone ,cant stand you.
and I have always tried to stay neutral as far as you are concerned but I
can switch if you prefer, makes no difference to me
7tH dAY WRITES:
UH OH MICHAEL HE IS OFFERING CHANGE LIKE OBAMA NOW.......LOL
Correction: They "both" offer "hopelessness and change"!
Michael

Canada

#403595 Nov 20, 2012
The poor Dali Lama.

A poor man who travels the world doing nothing but good for all of humanity. Minds his own business, a peace maker, and lover of all that nature has to offer. He doesn't seperate people into relgious boxes, that take away ones own conscience, he loves all, a one man band of the love of life. He owns little personal property. Not like the big box store religions that have assets in the MANY BILLIONS. He doesn't even own a pair of pants, or a button shirt, but he marches on.

A man who would never step on a spider or swat a fly, who loves everything that God has provided, yet when he dies, according the roman catholic church this poor little man of great deeds for all, will be sent to a fire ball place called hell. Why? Because this Dali Lama helper of all doesn't say he accepts or believes in an invisible man named Jesus.

The church says, God he loves everyone, but this Dali Lama will burn and be tortured, and feel pain and agony and more pain and suffering, but this God still says I love you.

Does that seem like the work of an all loving God towards a man who has done more good than ANYONE who belongs to any religious belief.

The poor Dali Lama, who will feel the heat just like the hard working nuns, who also just don't measure up.

GIVE ME A FRICKNN BREAK!
Clay

Denver, CO

#403596 Nov 20, 2012
Michael wrote:
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CLAYPOOL says....
I find it so weird that you'll use any situation and any scenario to post about child sexual abuse.
MICHAEL says.......
This is the biggest story in your church in 500 years. It has been worldwide. A perverted sub culture of men within your church who have abused, lied, deceived and covered up the worst sins of all, and you just keep pushing it off to the side, hoping it all just goes away.
Very sad....
The truth is, the Church is not pushing this aside and neither am I.
You can't fool us Michael, you yearn to keep this topic (child sexual abuse) front page, every single day, to advance your own agenda against the Church. You strive to sensationalize this as if you were the media. You comb the internet looking for any story about child sexual abuse to post in a frantic effort to spread trash about the Catholic Church. When we Catholics say 'enough already Michael', you accuse us of denying or protecting the guilty.

For that Mike, you are just as sick as the molesters . No one should use this topic to satisfy their personal vendetta.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#403597 Nov 20, 2012
Michael wrote:
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I am sure these stories are true. Why would a church pastor and his loving wife make up lies?
Sometimes the truth hurts. How many accurate stories have I posted about catholic clergy running amuck, that catholics don't want to believe are true? THOUSANDS!
UNBELIEVABLE!
An unbiased person might ask; Why would a Catholic priest counsel a girl in the confessional to get an abortion, which would incur an automatic excommunication for both of them? Why would a Catholic priest deny someone a sacrament for a bogus reason? Why would someone change a story i.e., behind a curtain vs. in a side room?

People who hate the Church will believe Kay and you.
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#403598 Nov 20, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
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KayMarie, I meant to add that it was far from out of place at a wedding. It's part of the Mass. If she didn't empty the chalice, the priest would have. Protecting the Blood of Christ from desecration only *adds* to the beauty, not distracts from it.
Every word, every action in the Mass has a purpose. The liturgy is ancient. I remember reading that a Jewish woman who attended Mass was shocked that some of the prayers were almost identical to those she was used to.
Almost is not good enough Regina.
Your mass does not resembles, the Jewish communal prayers , a Jew won't Step inside your church let alone pray in it because of all the idols.
LTM

Geraldton, Canada

#403599 Nov 20, 2012
Bible verse of the Day

10For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
11So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Isaiah 55:10-11 (KJV)

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Tuesday, November 20, 2012
This Morning's Meditation
C. H. Spurgeon

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"O Lord, Thou hast pleaded the causes of my soul."—Lamentations 3:58.
BSERVE how positively the prophet speaks. He doth not say, "I hope, I trust, I sometimes think, that God hath pleaded the causes of my soul"; but he speaks of it as a matter of fact not to be disputed. "Thou hast pleaded the causes of my soul." Let us, by the aid of the gracious Comforter, shake off those doubts and fears which so much mar our peace and comfort. Be this our prayer, that we may have done with the harsh croaking voice of surmise and suspicion, and may be able to speak with the clear, melodious voice of full assurance. Notice how gratefully the prophet speaks, ascribing all the glory to God alone! You perceive there is not a word concerning himself or his own pleadings. He doth not ascribe his deliverance in any measure to any man, much less to his own merit; but it is "thou"—"O Lord, Thou hast pleaded the causes of my soul; Thou hast redeemed my life." A grateful spirit should ever be cultivated by the Christian; and especially after deliverances we should prepare a song for our God. Earth should be a temple filled with the songs of grateful saints, and every day should be a censor smoking with the sweet incense of thanksgiving. How joyful Jeremiah seems to be while he records the Lord's mercy. How triumphantly he lifts up the strain! He has been in the low dungeon, and is even now no other than the weeping prophet; and yet in the very book which is called "Lamentations," clear as the song of Miriam when she dashed her fingers against the tabor, shrill as the note of Deborah when she met Barak with shouts of victory, we hear the voice of Jeremy going up to heaven—"Thou hast pleaded the causes of my soul; thou hast redeemed my life." O children of God, seek after a vital experience of the Lord's lovingkindness, and when you have it, speak positively of it; sing gratefully; shout triumphantly.

Wisdom from Oswald Chambers
Wherever the providence of God may dump us down, in a slum, in a shop, in the desert, we have to labour along the line of His direction. Never allow this thought—“I am of no use where I am,” because you certainly can be of no use where you are not! Wherever He has engineered your circumstances, pray. So Send I You

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