Pope Reaches Out to Gays

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Pope Francis answers reporters questions during a news conference aboard the papal flight on the journey back from Brazil on July 29, 2013. Full Story
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fyi

Seattle, WA

#1 Jul 29, 2013
"If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" the pontiff said during a news conference that lasted nearly an hour and a half.
Clear Dharma

London, UK

#5 Jul 30, 2013
I agree with you FYI. This Pope is very humble and his selection is by no means random. He is the right man for the time.

Of even more importance was his statement which singled out all Lobbies as a singular sourceof what is wrong with the world.
Clear Dharma

London, UK

#7 Jul 30, 2013
What's your gold standard Tyler? You critisize but don't suggest an alternative, better or different viewpoint. Try to express yourself in English so we have more to go on, eh?
Moroncure

UK

#9 Jul 30, 2013
Tylerfoundthecure wrote:
I fart in your general direction
That sounds like a loose arse you have there Cretin.

Since: Sep 10

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#11 Jul 31, 2013
Pope reaches out to Gays and says "Your place or mine?"
OnlyPatchWork

Carmel, NY

#14 Aug 7, 2013
August 04, 2013

Former Pope Allegedly Unfairly Criticized By "New York Jewish Lobby," Paper Reports
Auschwitz Sign 2"The New York Jewish lobby has unfairly blackened the name of World War II pope Pius XII in the interests of a modern political agenda and needs to be challenged, former Australian deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer has charged."

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The entrance to Auschwitz. The sign in translation reads, "Work makes free."

Former pope unfairly criticised by Jewish lobby: Fischer
Barney Zwartz • Sydney Morning Herald

The New York Jewish lobby has unfairly blackened the name of World War II pope Pius XII in the interests of a modern political agenda and needs to be challenged, former Australian deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer has charged.

Pius has been criticised for not doing enough to protect Jews during the Holocaust, but Mr Fischer argues in a book launched in Melbourne on Friday that he did save Jews "and gets zero credit".

Mr Fischer, Australian ambassador to the Holy See for three years from 2008, told Fairfax Media the Jewish lobby needed momentum and profile and had become increasingly shrill in condemning Pius XII.

In fact, according to Mr Fischer, Pius instructed Catholics to help Jews, hiding hundreds in convents, monasteries and the Vatican. The Nazis rounded up 1002 of Rome's 8000 Jews in 1943 and sent them to Auschwitz, but the other 7000 were saved.

In the book, Holy See, Unholy Me: 1000 Days in Rome, Mr Fischer says an Israeli ambassador who called for a recognition of the live-saving work of Pius XII was quickly forced into a humiliating backdown.

"Further, the moment any suggestion is made to consider Pius XII for beatification and sainthood, they hit out at close to full power and use all media avenues to stamp it out."

Reports from the Vatican this week suggest Pope Francis wants to move ahead with canonising Pius.

Identifying Melbourne-educated Israeli spokesman Mark Regev as a key figure, Mr Fischer writes that the Jewish lobby's media skills far outweigh the Vatican's and suggests the tactics "are about representing a cause and maintaining influence and power.

"The American Jewish lobby is run by hardliners who get their daily feed from Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, and will cut no slack in terms of Israel's policies in the West Bank."

Mr Fischer says the biggest disaster for Rome's war-time Jewish community was the split between pro and anti-Fascist factions. "That broke down the unity when it was most needed, as the Nazis rolled into Rome. The Fascist Jews said nothing would happen."

The chief rabbi, Israel Zolli, an anti-Fascist, warned the community that it must get ready, for example hiding synagogue lists. After the war Rabbi Zolli converted to Catholicism, and "with that he got totally airbrushed out of history".

"The Rabbi of Rome and the Bishop of Rome both saved thousands of Jewish lives, and deserve fairer assessment," Mr Fischer said.

He said he expected a backlash against his comments, but hoped fair-minded people would read the book.

He conceded there was evidence of a Croatian Catholic pipeline through which Nazis escaped after the war, and said that if Pius knew about it he should be "pinged" for it.
Clear Dharma

UK

#15 Aug 7, 2013
That's very interesting Limpy.

The present day Pope in his 'gay' speech' also singled out all Lobbys as a source of wrong doing. Lobby groups are essentially a bloc of the rich or powerful trying to gain favour with the government to change its policy in their favour, and quite often against the wishes of the majority, who are often times far less powerful and helpless. Lobbys are also often linked to corruption, but that is rarely proven, not because it doesn't exist but because the wealthy are influential in that way. So essential,allowing Lobbys within a political system is akin to skewing a democratic system against the voters.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/australian-ex-de...

I looked up the same story in the Times of Israel and the results were predictable. The Jewish view is that rubbish the story by labelling it with the usual 'anti-semitic' brand which in America has been established as a ceratin way of stifling further dabate. Europe on the other hand ignores the misguided use of this term as a see-through stretegy.

The other typical reponse is to try and rubbish the use of the term 'Lobby' by making out that its is not a real political group, more of a conspiracy theory that the jews are trying to rule the world etc. This is the strategy being propegated by the Wiesenthal Centre. This confirms that the Jewish world prefers to blacken the name of the Catholic Church as a means of getting sympathetic for its political aims.

Its an example of the unholy alliance of politics with religion resulting in the spread of hatred and division in the World. This at a time when the Pope is trying to bring reconciliation to all people at a time of economic hardship.
OnlyPatchWork

Carmel, NY

#16 Aug 7, 2013
Clear Dharma wrote:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/australian-ex-de...
I looked up the same story in the Times of Israel and the results were predictable. The Jewish view is that rubbish the story by labelling it with the usual 'anti-semitic' brand which in America has been established as a ceratin way of stifling further dabate. Europe on the other hand ignores the misguided use of this term as a see-through stretegy.
The other typical reponse is to try and rubbish the use of the term 'Lobby' by making out that its is not a real political group, more of a conspiracy theory that the jews are trying to rule the world etc. This is the strategy being propegated by the Wiesenthal Centre. This confirms that the Jewish world prefers to blacken the name of the Catholic Church as a means of getting sympathetic for its political aims.
Its an example of the unholy alliance of politics with religion resulting in the spread of hatred and division in the World. This at a time when the Pope is trying to bring reconciliation to all people at a time of economic hardship.
It is sick that the Wiesenthal Center is calling it Anti-Semitic for pulling out a factually supported book by Tim Fisher!?

This is really not surprising that Pope Pius would have helped at least some Jews.

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;;;;;The Pope was not much different than anyone else if they helped too many Jews they could be killed by a Nazi German bounty.

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;;;;;;;So... I mean it is really unfair how so many Jews always are so critical of the goyim for not doing enough for Jews in the Holocaust.

It seems today many Jews are more angry at those who didn't do enough for Jews as ALLIES than they are about Nazi Germany.

I don;t understand the Psyche of this Jewish frame of mind so many of them have today.

Since: Mar 09

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#17 Aug 7, 2013
Where's the link to the article?
OnlyPatchWork

Carmel, NY

#18 Aug 7, 2013
snyper wrote:
Where's the link to the article?
http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messi...
Clear Dharma

UK

#19 Aug 7, 2013
OnlyPatchWork wrote:
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....It seems today many Jews are more angry at those who didn't do enough for Jews as ALLIES than they are about Nazi Germany.
I don;t understand the Psyche of this Jewish frame of mind so many of them have today.
It seems they are looking for a scape goat to cover up the same things they are doing in Politics in the present day.

For them the Germans are in the bag and dealth with for the Germans have been beaten into paying for and supporting the Zionist cause. The other side of their political strategy is to extract the same from their friends by giving them guilt complexes and attacking alternate moral structures which may be used to criticize their strategy.
OnlyPatchWork

Carmel, NY

#20 Aug 7, 2013
Clear Dharma wrote:
<quoted text>
It seems they are looking for a scape goat to cover up the same things they are doing in Politics in the present day.
For them the Germans are in the bag and dealth with for the Germans have been beaten into paying for and supporting the Zionist cause. The other side of their political strategy is to extract the same from their friends by giving them guilt complexes and attacking alternate moral structures which may be used to criticize their strategy.
True or even the past.

As in Jews push Catholic Nazi collaborators & Catholic Pedophiles to try & scape goat the LARGER popuation.

So that Jewish Nazi collaborators & Jewish Pedophiles will be a more hidden or SOFTER BLOW.

Disproportionately it seems Jewish Nazi collaborators & Jewish pedophiles were likeky MORE DISPROPORTIONATELY than many Catholics like Polish for example.

The Jewish pedophile issue is really bad especially in the Hasidim community.
Clear Dharma

UK

#21 Aug 7, 2013
OnlyPatchWork wrote:
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...Disproportionately it seems Jewish Nazi collaborators & Jewish pedophiles were likeky MORE DISPROPORTIONATELY than many Catholics like Polish for example.
The Jewish pedophile issue is really bad especially in the Hasidim community.
Given that the world has a Catholic population of 1.2 billion and a Jewish population of 7 million, each Jewish murderer or paedophile is the equivalent to around a 150 Catholic carrying out the same crime. Therefore when taken as a percentage of their population, it is highly likely that Jewish criminality in these area is higher.

What skews the public perception is the high percentage of jewish participation in the mass media, and the obvious biasses they can influence in the presentation of the news. This is most common in the American media. I find that when reading the Israeli media, usually the news is reported quite fairly as the reporters feel less obliged to carry out their other duty, which is to present Jewish life in a better way than Catholic life, for example. And also in American papers, many of the reports are anonymous therefore the true intent and source of the mis-information goes unnoticed. And thirdly, the American readers seem very gullible in this respect, and accept whatever is presented to them. No doubt 40 years of propaganda is taking its toll.
Clear Dharma

UK

#22 Aug 7, 2013
OnlyPatchWork wrote:
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The Jewish pedophile issue is really bad especially in the Hasidim community.
I noticed a little Hasidic girl on vacation and thought about Topix. We dont have many Jews around these parts.

She was a cute little thing, out walking with her father. Obviously well cared for. But I thought that she's being brought up in a strange and slightly disconnected world.

Anyway. I hope she has a happy life.

“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

Since: Jan 10

Loved everywhere

#23 Aug 7, 2013
Most of Polaks must be pleased to hear the popeīs approval of poofters.
I bet, limpy the Nazi dog is jumping high with a joy.
OnlyPatchWork

Carmel, NY

#24 Aug 7, 2013
Pesky army wrote:
Most of Polaks must be pleased to hear the popeīs approval of poofters.
I bet, limpy the Nazi dog is jumping high with a joy.
A little birdie told me you or your kindred spirit's name was Evan Rosenfeld.

Thunk about it!!!
OnlyPatchWork

Carmel, NY

#25 Aug 7, 2013
Clear Dharma wrote:
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Given that the world has a Catholic population of 1.2 billion and a Jewish population of 7 million, each Jewish murderer or paedophile is the equivalent to around a 150 Catholic carrying out the same crime. Therefore when taken as a percentage of their population, it is highly likely that Jewish criminality in these area is higher.
What skews the public perception is the high percentage of jewish participation in the mass media, and the obvious biasses they can influence in the presentation of the news. This is most common in the American media. I find that when reading the Israeli media, usually the news is reported quite fairly as the reporters feel less obliged to carry out their other duty, which is to present Jewish life in a better way than Catholic life, for example. And also in American papers, many of the reports are anonymous therefore the true intent and source of the mis-information goes unnoticed. And thirdly, the American readers seem very gullible in this respect, and accept whatever is presented to them. No doubt 40 years of propaganda is taking its toll.
Yes, While the Jewish Clergy Pedophile issue is CLEARLY disproportionate way worse than the Catholic clergy one.

It is Interesting how NOW the Kosher Rabbi Pedophile issue & Mohel suction has come to a head.

By Kosher hands just a few years earlier pushing Catholic Pedophiles SOFTENED THE BLOW & neglected from the Kosher Pedophile issue.

“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

Since: Jan 10

Loved everywhere

#26 Aug 8, 2013
Pedos, poofters are seen in Polak churches, recently.
What is that telling you about Polakia ?
OnlyPatchWork

Carmel, NY

#27 Aug 8, 2013
August 07, 2013

Rabbi Mordechai Elon Guilty
Rabbi Mordechai Elon 4Prominent Zionist Orthodox former yeshiva head Rabbi Mordechai Elon was convicted in Jerusalem earlier today of indecent assault and indecent assault by force against a minor.

August 06, 2013

Shocking Audio Tape Alleges Serious Uncharged Sexual Abuse By Rabbi Mordechai Elon
Rabbi Mordechai Elon micOne day before the verdict was due in the sexual assault and harassment case against former Zionist Orthodox yeshiva head Rabbi Mordechai Elon, the Zionist Orthodox news website Kippa released an audio recording made last year but never before published in which another senior Zionist Orthodox rabbi alleges that the charges brought against Elon are mild compared to what Elon actually did.

“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

Since: Jan 10

Loved everywhere

#28 Aug 8, 2013
So many dumb Polaks are here, sometimes itīs hilarious. How can Polaks visit churches & then perform hideous acts at home ?

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