Catholic fringe disrupts Kristallnacht ceremony

Nov 13, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Bellingham Herald

A woman attending a ceremony that marks the beginning of the Holocaust, left, tries to stop ultra-traditionalist Catholics from interrupting an interfaith event at the Metropolitan Cathedral in Buenos Aires, Argentina, late Tuesday, Nov. 12, 2013.

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Nov 13, 2013
 
"Let there be peace. Shalom," Poli then said, urging everyone to take their seats for a ceremony that was also led by Rabbi Abraham Skorka, a close friend of the pope who co-wrote a book of dialogue seeking common ground between Judaism and Catholicism.

"Dear Jewish brothers, please feel at home, because that's the way Christians want it, despite these signs of intolerance," Poli said. "Your presence here doesn't desecrate a temple of God. We will continue in peace this encounter that Pope Francis always promoted, valued and appreciated so much."

The Rev. Christian Bouchacourt, the South America leader of the Society of Saint Pius X, said Wednesday that the protesters belong to his organization and that they have a right to feel outraged when rabbis preside over a ceremony in a cathedral. "I recognize the authority of the pope, but he is not infallible and in this case, does things we cannot accept," Bouchacourt said in an interview with Radio La Red.

"This wasn't a desire to make a rebellion, but to show our love to the Catholic Church, which was made for the Catholic faith," Bouchacourt added. "A Mass isn't celebrated in a synagogue, nor in a mosque. The Muslims don't accept it. In the same way, we who are Catholics cannot accept the presence of another faith in our church."

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Something is systemically wrong with these ultra orthodox catholics.
For one thing they should have shouted and written in latin.
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"Let there be peace. Shalom," Poli then said, urging everyone to take their seats for a ceremony that was also led by Rabbi Abraham Skorka, a close friend of the pope who co-wrote a book of dialogue seeking common ground between Judaism and Catholicism.
"Dear Jewish brothers, please feel at home, because that's the way Christians want it, despite these signs of intolerance," Poli said. "Your presence here doesn't desecrate a temple of God. We will continue in peace this encounter that Pope Francis always promoted, valued and appreciated so much."
The Rev. Christian Bouchacourt, the South America leader of the Society of Saint Pius X, said Wednesday that the protesters belong to his organization and that they have a right to feel outraged when rabbis preside over a ceremony in a cathedral. "I recognize the authority of the pope, but he is not infallible and in this case, does things we cannot accept," Bouchacourt said in an interview with Radio La Red.
"This wasn't a desire to make a rebellion, but to show our love to the Catholic Church, which was made for the Catholic faith," Bouchacourt added. "A Mass isn't celebrated in a synagogue, nor in a mosque. The Muslims don't accept it. In the same way, we who are Catholics cannot accept the presence of another faith in our church."
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Something is systemically wrong with these ultra orthodox catholics.
For one thing they should have shouted and written in latin.
This is interesting because when our synagogue was under remodeling and expansion, we held High Holy Days services in the neighboring Roman Catholic Church.

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This is interesting because when our synagogue was under remodeling and expansion, we held High Holy Days services in the neighboring Roman Catholic Church.
Many orthodox synagogues would not do that. Dont take that as a sign that I agree with that.
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Many orthodox synagogues would not do that. Dont take that as a sign that I agree with that.
I guess that's why we are reformed.

Back when I was in high school and we had no building, religious school was held in a Lutheran Church. Even today, Grades 5-10 religious school is held in the Catholic High School on Sunday, about a mile away from the synagogue. During the expansion it was determined that it was more cost effective to rent the high school than over build the synagogue for use once a week.

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<quoted text>I guess that's why we are reformed.
Back when I was in high school and we had no building, religious school was held in a Lutheran Church. Even today, Grades 5-10 religious school is held in the Catholic High School on Sunday, about a mile away from the synagogue. During the expansion it was determined that it was more cost effective to rent the high school than over build the synagogue for use once a week.
When I grew up - Conservative - we had overflow services in a Church next door. Noone had any issue with it.

For the orthodox - Churches out but mosques are ok
http://www.torah.org/advanced/weekly-halacha/...

My personal view is that I have a problem with any religion or Jewish denomination renting space, even temporarily, in a public school. That slipperly slope thing. That said, I have been to plenty of services in schools for reasons similar to yours.

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http://www.torah.org/advanced/weekly-halacha/...

As in crossing the parking-place when (high)service is held.
Given the small town i live in and 53 official churches plus any and all public space used for parking and services,-including the beach- of other denominations i would not be able to leave my home.
Since services are not limited to once a week.
The special holidays, saints commemorated and what have you.

Keeping tabs on just the schedule would be a staggering task.

I consider this worse then the slippery slope of renting a public school.

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As in crossing the parking-place when (high)service is held.
Given the small town i live in and 53 official churches plus any and all public space used for parking and services,-including the beach- of other denominations i would not be able to leave my home.
Since services are not limited to once a week.
The special holidays, saints commemorated and what have you.
Keeping tabs on just the schedule would be a staggering task.
I consider this worse then the slippery slope of renting a public school.
you are ok. Plus, as a woman, you probably dont even have to adhere to it.

"....nevertheless, if the shortest route available is through the church's parking lot, it is permitted and the middas chasidus does not apply[16].

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you are ok. Plus, as a woman, you probably dont even have to adhere to it.
"....nevertheless, if the shortest route available is through the church's parking lot, it is permitted and the middas chasidus does not apply[16].
Funny as in peculiar that rules are so different, superficially seen for women.
Lipush has also on occasion brought this up.
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My personal view is that I have a problem with any religion or Jewish denomination renting space, even temporarily, in a public school. That slipperly slope thing. That said, I have been to plenty of services in schools for reasons similar to yours.
And, in our case, the High School is Catholic so that would not come into play.

But, public schools in our area do rent out their gyms and auditoriums to churches without buildings. It comes from the Supreme Court decisions that public buildings (schools, libraries, city halls, etc.) must make their space available to religious organizations on the same basis that they are made available to other organizations. Therefore, if the schools allow non-religious organizations to rent space, they must allow religious organizations to do so also.

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Funny as in peculiar that rules are so different, superficially seen for women.
Lipush has also on occasion brought this up.
Oops - spoke too soon. You may not be off the hook. Women have to observe negative commandments. Avodah Zerah is a negative commandment. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/J...

If I was you, I would go for the waiver (the path through the parking lot is the most efficient)

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Eric wrote:
<quoted text>And, in our case, the High School is Catholic so that would not come into play.
But, public schools in our area do rent out their gyms and auditoriums to churches without buildings. It comes from the Supreme Court decisions that public buildings (schools, libraries, city halls, etc.) must make their space available to religious organizations on the same basis that they are made available to other organizations. Therefore, if the schools allow non-religious organizations to rent space, they must allow religious organizations to do so also.
Ahhh..interesting. Thanks.

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