The Vatican Revealed to Own Europe's Largest Gay Sauna

Mar 12, 2013 Full story: EDGE 26

It seems as though things aren't going so well for the Catholic Church: on top of failing to elect a new pope to lead the world's 1.2 billion Catholics on Tuesday, several media outlets are reporting that the Vatican recently bought Europe's biggest gay sauna.

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“ WOOF ! ”

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#1 Mar 12, 2013
I read this the other day elsewhere. Nothing surprises me about the RCC.

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#2 Mar 13, 2013
While this is certainly a juicy story, it leaves a lot of unanswered questions. For one thing, when one buys a building which includes both residential and commercial units you do not automatically acquire the businesses operating in it, only their current leases. So I fail to see how the Vatican can now unknowingly 'own' a gay sauna. They may have a gay sauna as a commercial tenant, but that's a different story altogether.

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#3 Mar 13, 2013
Umninimuzi wrote:
While this is certainly a juicy story, it leaves a lot of unanswered questions. For one thing, when one buys a building which includes both residential and commercial units you do not automatically acquire the businesses operating in it, only their current leases. So I fail to see how the Vatican can now unknowingly 'own' a gay sauna. They may have a gay sauna as a commercial tenant, but that's a different story altogether.
They probably didn't know. They own a large commercial building and tenants come and go. I doubt they looked at any of the tenents, and just looked at the bottom line.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

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#4 Mar 13, 2013
And since I bet the vast majority of people who post on this forum are not Catholics, I doubt anybody here really cares who they pick as the next pope.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#5 Mar 13, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
And since I bet the vast majority of people who post on this forum are not Catholics, I doubt anybody here really cares who they pick as the next pope.
Amen!!

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#6 Mar 13, 2013
They may not own the business itself but it is certainly interesting that so many cardinals live near it.

If they can have a bear night, how about an ecclesiasical night?

Perhaps the sauna should also post a large picture of Pope Julius III in its lounge:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_III

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#7 Mar 13, 2013
Is this where the ex-pope is living now?

Since: Jun 09

DeKalb, IL

#8 Mar 13, 2013
Gosh I thought I owned the biggest sana in Europe.

“Greetings!”

Since: Dec 06

Tampa, FL

#9 Mar 13, 2013
Look, there is NO WAY the RCC isn't aware of the bathhouse in a commercial property they own (or partially own). The real issue lies in the fact that they CONTINUE to own/invest in it.

Given the fact that they oppose or distance themselves from all things gay (see their support of boy scouts and the millions they donated to support prop 8), what we have here is an issue of RETURN ON INVESTMENT (making money) trumping their religious dogma!

And while i bet more than one priest/bishop/cardinal has had clandestine meetings with men who patronize that "spa" - i'm betting they get a younger priest to recruit a guy to come upstairs to play.

“ WOOF ! ”

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#10 Mar 13, 2013
I'm a church-going Protestant, and have been a member of a number of different Protestant churches (of different denominations) over the past 50 years.

In ALL of those churches, of whatever denomination, our mission was to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and help other people in whatever ways we can.

I don't recall "REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT" ever being an item in our Christian mission, at ANY of those churches of WHATEVER Protestant denomination.

How can these Catholics even CLAIM to be Christians ?!

“ WOOF ! ”

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#11 Mar 13, 2013
One of the MAJOR DIFFERENCES between teh RCC, a top-down organization, and almost all Protestant denominations and individual Protestant churches, is that Protestant churches are bottom-up organizations.

And as such, we have a DIRECT SAY over how every single cent we donate gets spent.

At each Protestant chuch I have belonged to over the years, the budget is planned, debated, amended, and voted upon by members of the congregation. The budget is published and distributed to each congregational member so that everyone knows what the minister's salary is, what their fringe benefits are, what teh cost of building maintenence is, what missions are supported, and a hundred other things.

Why don't Catholics DEMAND the same thing if they willingly support this dubious hypocritical organization ?

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#13 Mar 13, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
One of the MAJOR DIFFERENCES between teh RCC, a top-down organization, and almost all Protestant denominations and individual Protestant churches, is that Protestant churches are bottom-up organizations.
And as such, we have a DIRECT SAY over how every single cent we donate gets spent.
At each Protestant chuch I have belonged to over the years, the budget is planned, debated, amended, and voted upon by members of the congregation. The budget is published and distributed to each congregational member so that everyone knows what the minister's salary is, what their fringe benefits are, what teh cost of building maintenence is, what missions are supported, and a hundred other things.
Why don't Catholics DEMAND the same thing if they willingly support this dubious hypocritical organization ?
Good,then tell your congregation to start paying property taxes that I have to pay with both hands next month.

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#14 Mar 14, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Good,then tell your congregation to start paying property taxes that I have to pay with both hands next month.
Why ? The members of the congregation presently pay all the same taxes you and everyone else does, such as income taxs, property taxes, sales taxes, etc. Why whould we all pay again just for meeting in a church ?

While I certainly believe that each individual person should pay taxes (and does), I don't think ANY association of people, such as churhces, corporations, companies, charities, etc, should pay any taxes at all, beacuse they are simply all legal entities AMADE UP OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY PAID TAXES.

We don't have TOO FEEW TAXES in this coountry, we have TOO MANY TAXES in this country adn TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT SPENDING OUR THE PEOPLE'S TAX DOLLARS IN THIS COUNTRY.

Remember that one of teh reasons that our Forefathers VIOLENTLY REVOLTED against the legal government at the time, and killed and slaughtered agents of the legal government at the time, was because, as one of our famous Founding fathers, Jimmy McMillan, most famously said: "OUR TAXES ARE TOO DAMN HIGH !"
Pope Bubba the 1st

Cantonment, FL

#15 Mar 14, 2013
This is hilarious.

Every moment seems to bring another ringing affirmation of my grassroots Rise to the Papacy: The Overthrow Vatican City Tour, 2013!!

Get the grassroots out and campaign for me, Pope Bubba the 1st! The 1st People's Pope! The 1st Pope picked by the people that love him, not some crusty old farts stuck in a little room with a wood-burning stove!

I'm Pope Bubba the 1st, and I approved this message.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#16 Mar 14, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
Why ? The members of the congregation presently pay all the same taxes you and everyone else does, such as income taxs, property taxes, sales taxes, etc. Why whould we all pay again just for meeting in a church ?
While I certainly believe that each individual person should pay taxes (and does), I don't think ANY association of people, such as churhces, corporations, companies, charities, etc, should pay any taxes at all, beacuse they are simply all legal entities AMADE UP OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY PAID TAXES.
We don't have TOO FEEW TAXES in this coountry, we have TOO MANY TAXES in this country adn TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT SPENDING OUR THE PEOPLE'S TAX DOLLARS IN THIS COUNTRY.
Remember that one of teh reasons that our Forefathers VIOLENTLY REVOLTED against the legal government at the time, and killed and slaughtered agents of the legal government at the time, was because, as one of our famous Founding fathers, Jimmy McMillan, most famously said: "OUR TAXES ARE TOO DAMN HIGH !"
I admit I was unclear. Your church should pay property taxes.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#17 Mar 14, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
Why ? The members of the congregation presently pay all the same taxes you and everyone else does, such as income taxs, property taxes, sales taxes, etc. Why whould we all pay again just for meeting in a church ?
While I certainly believe that each individual person should pay taxes (and does), I don't think ANY association of people, such as churhces, corporations, companies, charities, etc, should pay any taxes at all, beacuse they are simply all legal entities AMADE UP OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY PAID TAXES.
We don't have TOO FEEW TAXES in this coountry, we have TOO MANY TAXES in this country adn TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT SPENDING OUR THE PEOPLE'S TAX DOLLARS IN THIS COUNTRY.
Remember that one of teh reasons that our Forefathers VIOLENTLY REVOLTED against the legal government at the time, and killed and slaughtered agents of the legal government at the time, was because, as one of our famous Founding fathers, Jimmy McMillan, most famously said: "OUR TAXES ARE TOO DAMN HIGH !"
The mantra of the Founding Fathers was "Taxation without representation". The only Jimmy McMillan I ever heard of said, "Rent is to damned high".
christ had one ball

Pittston, PA

#18 Mar 14, 2013
and now pope franics the talking mule will pour money into all the tijuana donkey shows.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#19 Mar 14, 2013
Pope Bubba the 1st wrote:
This is hilarious.
Every moment seems to bring another ringing affirmation of my grassroots Rise to the Papacy: The Overthrow Vatican City Tour, 2013!!
Get the grassroots out and campaign for me, Pope Bubba the 1st! The 1st People's Pope! The 1st Pope picked by the people that love him, not some crusty old farts stuck in a little room with a wood-burning stove!
I'm Pope Bubba the 1st, and I approved this message.
What are you going to offer if elected? Chocolate communion wafers? 1,000,000,000 years less in purgatory for everyone? A make-yourself-a-saint web site?
christ had one ball

Pittston, PA

#20 Mar 14, 2013
JohnInToronto wrote:
<quoted text>
What are you going to offer if elected? Chocolate communion wafers? 1,000,000,000 years less in purgatory for everyone? A make-yourself-a-saint web site?
roman catholic priests love to pack fudge...wafers.

i bet the virgin mary would look hot in a string bikini on the beach at saint tropez.

i'll rub tanning oil on the virgin mary, and all you gays can do the same with jesus christ.

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#21 Mar 14, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
One of the MAJOR DIFFERENCES between teh RCC, a top-down organization, and almost all Protestant denominations and individual Protestant churches, is that Protestant churches are bottom-up organizations.
And as such, we have a DIRECT SAY over how every single cent we donate gets spent.
At each Protestant chuch I have belonged to over the years, the budget is planned, debated, amended, and voted upon by members of the congregation. The budget is published and distributed to each congregational member so that everyone knows what the minister's salary is, what their fringe benefits are, what teh cost of building maintenence is, what missions are supported, and a hundred other things.
Why don't Catholics DEMAND the same thing if they willingly support this dubious hypocritical organization ?
Oh stop kidding yourself -- all churches are the same! If they build mega churches to increase their earning potential, they should pay taxes on those earnings. If they send delegations to African countries to proselytize (with or without accompanying baggage-handlers) they should pay taxes. If they spout political opinions they should pay taxes like everyone else. "Everyone knows what the minister's salary is" you say? Then what was it that the Reverend Jim Baker went to prison for? That's not your denomination? P-leaze ... you want us to believe that of the thousands of Protestant churches on this earth yours is the only pure and honest one?! Nice try.

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