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How could Mr. George Lamsa be discredited by Bible scholars when they themselves agreed with him in using the phrase "church of Christ" when translating Acts 20:28 of the Scriptures!!! This is how Mr. Lamsa translated the Acts 20:28:
"Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed the church of Christ which he has purchased with his blood."
"Ingatan ninyo kung gayon ang inyong mga sarili at ang buong kawan na rito'y hinirang kayo ng Espiritu Santo na mga katiwala, upang pakanin and iglesia ni Cristo na binili niya ng kaniyang dugo."
[Acts 20: 28, Lamsa Translation]
And here's how Bible scholars corroborated the work or translation of Mr. Lamsa or his use of the phrase "church of Christ" in Acts 20:28!!! This Bible scholar says:
"As one Church historian, Bernhard Lohse, writes in Motive im Glauben (Motivation For Belief):'Arius reminds us that Jesus, as he described in the Gospels, was not a God who walked this earth, but truly human being. Of course, by his very humanity Jesus proved his full community with God'."
"Gaya ng isinulat ng isang mananalaysay ng Iglesia, si Bernhard Lohse, sa Motive im Glauben (Motivation For Belief):'Ipinaaalala sa atin ni Ario na si Jesus, gaya ng paglalarawan niya sa mga Ebanghelyo, ay hindi isang Diyos na lumakad sa lupang ito, kundi tunay na tao. Mangyari pa, sa pamamagitan mismo ng kaniyang pagiging tao ay pinatunayan ni Jesus ang kaniyang ganap na pakikiisa sa Diyos'."
Reference: Lehman, Johannes. The Jesus Establishment, p. 175. New York: Doubleday & Company, Inc., 1974.
Christ walked on this earth as a human being and not as God or another God!!! Improve your low I.Q. and try to make your parents happy and proud of you!!!
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I recognize that reading is a skill you seem to have never mastered but please stop looking so silly.

Lamsa wrote his Bible long after most others were published. He did not change their versions!

What did he write in Romans 6:16? Your cult clings to it desperately, even though every other Bible says he is wrong!

http://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Romans%2...

Let's address your question regarding Acts 20:28

http://pinoycourier.blogspot.com/2011/07/igle...

EVERY Bible translation refutes your contention that 'church' is single and capitalized. EVERY ONE!

Maybe Lamsa just had a bad day. Let's look at the other translation that is key to the INC existence.

What did he write in Romans 6:16? Your cult clings to it desperately, even though every other Bible says he is wrong!

http://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Romans%2...

How can EVERY Bible translation refute Lamsa, those prior and since, yet you still believe him to be correct?

Okay, stooge, here's the shot to the heart to finish you off. In your beloved May-June 1974 Pasugo - "Our Lord wants us to know that in this Christian era, outside the Chirch of Christ no one would be saved."

George Lamsa didn't believe that nonsense. He was a Nestorian who believed in the metaphysical. He believed everyone would be saved. Everyone. Oops.
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I recognize that reading is a skill you seem to have never mastered but please stop looking so silly.
Lamsa wrote his Bible long after most others were published. He did not change their versions!
What did he write in Romans 6:16? Your cult clings to it desperately, even though every other Bible says he is wrong!
http://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Romans%2...
Base Gardiner,

We are not talking about Romans 6:16 but Romans 16:16!!! Therefore your reading skill is that of the low I.Q.

The inspired men of God wrote the Bible and which was already a closed book in the first century!!! Lamsa and others only translated the Bible!!! But I know what your low I.Q. meant!!! You are referring to the translators and the translations!!!

Mr. Lamsa is not wrong but correct!!! His use of the phrase "church of Christ" is being done also by others!!! His belief that Christ was never believed as God by the early Christians is also accepted by others!!!

A Catholic author says:

" ...even the Didache, or 'Teaching of the Twelve Apostles', the oldest literary monument of Christian antiquity outside of the New Testament canon,... contains no formal profession of faith in the Divinity of Jesus Christ ..."

Reference: Pohle, Joseph. The Divine Trinity: A Dogmatic Treatise, p. 150, 13th impression. Montana and London: B. Herber Book Co., 1950.

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EVERY Bible translation refutes your contention that 'church' is single and capitalized. EVERY ONE!
Maybe Lamsa just had a bad day. Let's look at the other translation that is key to the INC existence.
What did he write in Romans 6:16? Your cult clings to it desperately, even though every other Bible says he is wrong!
http://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Romans%2...
Base Gardiner,

Yes, the Church established by Christ is singular!!! The statement of our Lord Jesus Christ when talking to Apostle Peter is the proof and as shown in several parallel translations of Matthew 16:18 posted below:


New International Version
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

New Living Translation
Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means 'rock'), and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it.

English Standard Version
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

New American Standard Bible
"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“Also I say to you, that you are Kaypha, and upon this stone I shall build my church, and the gates of Sheol will not withstand it.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
You are Peter, and I can guarantee that on this rock I will build my church. And the gates of hell will not overpower it.

King James 2000 Bible
And I say also unto you, That you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hades shall not prevail against it.

American King James Version
And I say also to you, That you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

American Standard Version
And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

English Revised Version
And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

Webster's Bible Translation
And I say also to thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church: and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Weymouth New Testament
And I declare to you that you are Peter, and that upon this Rock I will build my Church, and the might of Hades shall not triumph over it.

Christ mentioned "church" and not "churches"!!! Only the low I.Q.s would pervert what Christ said when mentioning the phrase "My church"!!!

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EVERY Bible translation refutes your contention that 'church' is single and capitalized. EVERY ONE!
Base Gardiner,

The phrase "church of Christ" can be capitalized because its proper name is the: "Church of Christ"!!! This is stated by a Mormon Church author:

"He conferred authority in the Church; explained the importance of designating the organization by its proper name --the Church of Christ..."

Reference:[Talmage, James E. The Great Apostasy, p.12. Salt Lake City, Utah:Deseret Book Company, 1968.]

And look at how Catholic authorities also capitalized the phrase "church of Christ":

"5. Did Jesus Christ establish a Church? Yes, from all history, both secular and profane, as well as from the Bible considered as a human document, we learn that Jesus Christ established a Church, which from the earliest times has been called after Him the Christian Church or the Church of Christ."

Reference:[Cassilly, Francis B., S.J. Religion: Doctrine and Practice. For Use in Catholic High Schools pp. 442-443. Twelfth and Revised Edition. USA: Loyola University Press, 1926

"This Church, founded and organized by Christ and preached by the apostles is the Church of Christ....It is the only true Church, and the one which God orders all men to join."

Reference:[Cassilly, Francis B., S.J. Religion: Doctrine and Practice. For Use in Catholic High Schools pp. 329-330. Twelfth and Revised Edition. USA: Loyola University Press, 1926

"....the Church of Christ today must be in nature, in power, in teaching, what it was when it served men through the twelve apostles. It is to this Church that all are obliged to belong in order to be saved. Those people who, though doubtful, deliberately refuse to join it, cannot be saved."

Reference:(Father Smith Instructs Jackson, pp. 60-61)

And look at also how Protestant authorities capitalized the phrase "church of Christ":

"...Christ predicted the founding of a new congregation or churcn, a Divine institution that should continue His work on earth. Matt. 16:18. This is the Church of Christ..."

Reference:[Pearlman, Myer. Knowing the Doctrines of the Bible, p.349. Springfield, Missouri, USA: Gospel Publishing House, 1937, 1981.]

Do not be contented in belonging to the low I.Q.s!!! Improve yourself and don't give shame to your parents!!!

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Okay, stooge, here's the shot to the heart to finish you off. In your beloved May-June 1974 Pasugo - "Our Lord wants us to know that in this Christian era, outside the Chirch of Christ no one would be saved."
George Lamsa didn't believe that nonsense. He was a Nestorian who believed in the metaphysical. He believed everyone would be saved. Everyone. Oops.
Base Gardiner,

You are into wishful thinking!!! It is correct though that outside of the Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) there is no salvation!!! Why??? Because the Church or flock purchased by the blood of Christ is none other than the Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo):


"Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed the church of Christ which he has purchased with his blood." [Acts 20:28, Lamsa Translation]

"Ingatan ninyo kung gayon ang inyong mga sarili at ang buong kawan na rito'y hinirang kayo ng Espiritu Santo na mga katiwala, upang pakanin and iglesia ni Cristo na binili niya ng kaniyang dugo."

What is the importance of the blood of Christ that was shed on the cross??? The Bible states, thus:

"In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." (Hebrew 9:22, NIV)

Christ shed Hid blood for the Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) and, therefore, the sole beneficiary of His sacrifice on the cross is the Church of Christ!!! Only the Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) will be saved comes Judgment Day!!! And the fate of those outside are clearly stated in this verse:


"God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you." (I Cor. 5:13, NIV)

All those outside of the Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo), God will judge or punish them at the appropriate time!!!

Improve your low I.Q.!!!

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ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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Base Gardiner,
We are not talking about Romans 6:16 but Romans 16:16!!! Therefore your reading skill is that of the low I.Q.
That is your defense? You use a typo, even though I attached the link to Rm 16:16 and exposed your fraud?

ROTFLMAO!
The inspired men of God wrote the Bible and which was already a closed book in the first century!!! Lamsa and others only translated the Bible!!! But I know what your low I.Q. meant!!! You are referring to the translators and the translations!!!
Do you not understand your duplicity within that statement?

The Bible was written long ago, agreed. Many have translated it, agreed. Almost all were achieved before Lamsa attempted it. He did not influence any changes on the other publications. He is alone in his errors.

Geeeeeeshhh!
Mr. Lamsa is not wrong but correct!!! His use of the phrase "church of Christ" is being done also by others!!! His belief that Christ was never believed as God by the early Christians is also accepted by others!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

This is the same argument you make when saying that original author's Litany of the Immaculate Heart of Mary is wrong.

You make the same mistake when saying that all history books are wrong for not agreeing with the INC about the start of WWI.

You look as pathetic as Lamsa.
A Catholic author says:
" ...even the Didache, or 'Teaching of the Twelve Apostles', the oldest literary monument of Christian antiquity outside of the New Testament canon,... contains no formal profession of faith in the Divinity of Jesus Christ ..."
Reference: Pohle, Joseph. The Divine Trinity: A Dogmatic Treatise, p. 150, 13th impression. Montana and London: B. Herber Book Co., 1950.
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Oh no, a Catholic author? Bwhahahahahahahahahahaha! What did Marcos Matara say about the INC?

You are attempting to use the same argument that cost Ventilacion the debate - private theologians do not speak for the Holy See any more than Marcos Matara and Teo Ora spoke for the INC. In that faith, people are allowed to think freely. I know that scares you.

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ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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You are into wishful thinking!!! It is correct though that outside of the Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) there is no salvation!!! Why??? Because the Church or flock purchased by the blood of Christ is none other than the Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) All those outside of the Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo), God will judge or punish them at the appropriate time!!!
Improve your low I.Q.!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
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So, you are saying that God created the world and, in his image, man. He then vengefully ensured that the vast majority would die without a chance at an eternity with him?

Yours must be a hateful God.
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That is your defense? You use a typo, even though I attached the link to Rm 16:16 and exposed your fraud?
ROTFLMAO!
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Base Gardiner,

Why should I put a defense when I am winning??? Yes, I used your typhoid and Tuskegee syphilis to trash you to pieces and feces!!!

Improve your I.Q.!!!

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Base Gardiner,
Why should I put a defense when I am winning??? Yes, I used your typhoid and Tuskegee syphilis to trash you to pieces and feces!!!
Improve your I.Q.!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
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Need I remind the board of your foolishness? You are being trumped by the truth and cannot answer a simple question?

I dare you to attempt it. Take it to your elders, your boy friend, to whomever can possibly help your feeble mind do combat with me. Seriously, I urge you to accept the challenge before you and prove yourself 'victorious'.

Is you God so spiteful that He created the world and then man in his own image but then doomed almost all to an eternity of damnation because they don't accept the rantings of your cult?

Are all of those people who lived prior to 1914 doomed? How about the billions of people who currently inhabit the planet but never exposed to INC doctrine? That is a hateful God you worship.

Step up, if you dare.

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will our Guam based punching bag be able to address a simple question, critical to his cult's existence?

I think not.

No, the poor stooge will be forced to admit that his ancestors are all deviants rotting in Hell, if he does.
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Need I remind the board of your foolishness? You are being trumped by the truth and cannot answer a simple question?
I dare you to attempt it. Take it to your elders, your boy friend, to whomever can possibly help your feeble mind do combat with me. Seriously, I urge you to accept the challenge before you and prove yourself 'victorious'.
Is you God so spiteful that He created the world and then man in his own image but then doomed almost all to an eternity of damnation because they don't accept the rantings of your cult?
Are all of those people who lived prior to 1914 doomed? How about the billions of people who currently inhabit the planet but never exposed to INC doctrine? That is a hateful God you worship.
Step up, if you dare.
Base Gardiner,

I had reminded the board already of your Tuskegee Syphilis and Typhoid!!! You are spreading it everytime you protrude your lips!!!

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This is how an author Peter De Rosa described a Roman Catholic pope, Innocent III:

"In pursuit of his aims, he shed more blood than any other pontiff. He profoundly misunderstood the Gospel, the Church, the papacy, even the distinction between good and evil. His marvelous perversion of all these is evidenced in a single breathtaking statement:'"Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil; for no one may judge the Pope'."

Reference: De Rosa, Peter. Vicars of Christ: The Dark Side of the Papacy, Page 73. New York: Crown Publishers, Inc., 1988.

Do you see how I trashed you into pieces and feces??? The book says,'"Every cleric must obey the Pope, even if he commands what is evil; for no one may judge the Pope'."

Look at how blasphemous the papacy is!!! They cannot be judged by God and Christ although they committed the most heinous of crimes!!! Can it be denied that the popes of the Catholic Church killed those who did not want to follow their doctrines?

In a book of the Catholic Church entitled, The truth About the Inquisition, written by John A. O'Brien, Nihil Obstat by Thomas E. Dillon, Imprimatur by John F. Noll, on pages 47-48, this is stated:

"Church's Responsibility....The [Catholic] Church cannot escape responsibility for the use of torture nor for the burning of victims at the stake. The Church in the person of her pontiffs was responsible for the use of torture; this cruel practice was introduced by Innocent lV in 1252. The pontiff tries to defend the use of torture by classifying heretics with thieves and murderers; a mere comparison is his only argument. This law of Innocent lV was renewed and confirmed by Alexander lV on November 30, 1259, and by Clement lV on November 3, 1265."

"Neither can the [Catholic] Church escape responsibility for sending heretics to be burnt to death at the stake. The mere subterfuge of having the victim turned over to the secular arm cannot hide the fact that the popes repeatedly insisted under pain of excommunication and interdict upon rulers enforcing the death penalty against heretics.

"Inquisition - Predominantly Ecclesiastical .... Despite these well established facts, Count De Maistre tries to whitewash the Church and the popes even of complicity in the execution of heretics, saying:'All that is terrible and cruel about this tribunal, especially, the death penalty, was due to the State.'"

Through the testimony of history and of books of the Catholic Church, the papacy cannot escape responsibility for bringing about killings of those who did not follow them!!! Death was the punishment for those who refused to follow their doctrines!!!

Improve your low I.Q.!!!

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Of course another deflection because Elias has no answer other than to spread his hate on other religions.

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah, Elias!

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Actually, I enjoy seeing our Guam based punching bag post quotes from people like Adrain Hastings and Peter DeRosa.

You see, when he does, he illustrates the lack of research his cult does when they discover these people. Like Adrian Hastings, Peter DeRosa is a defrocked Roman Catholic priest. Both are gulity of the same sins - lust and a failure to obey their vows.

Both men chose to ignore the rules of their faith and sought marriage. They broke their vows and became bitter at the retribution they faced.

Both men have the same credibility as former INC ministers Marcos Mataro and Abner Martizano, Sr., right?
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ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
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Need I remind the board of your foolishness? You are being trumped by the truth and cannot answer a simple question?
I dare you to attempt it. Take it to your elders, your boy friend, to whomever can possibly help your feeble mind do combat with me. Seriously, I urge you to accept the challenge before you and prove yourself 'victorious'.
Is you God so spiteful that He created the world and then man in his own image but then doomed almost all to an eternity of damnation because they don't accept the rantings of your cult?
Are all of those people who lived prior to 1914 doomed? How about the billions of people who currently inhabit the planet but never exposed to INC doctrine? That is a hateful God you worship.
Step up, if you dare.
Base Gardiner,

Yes, the false gods of the Catholic Church is spiteful for it does not exist in the Bible!!! Your Tuskegee Syphilis and typhoid is showing up for after defending the Catholic Church, you are now attacking their false Gods!!!

Improve your low I.Q.!!!

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Dec 9, 2012
 
Of course Elias could not answer Chauncy's question and had to deflect on the Catholic Church. Elias is fake because INC is fake.
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Ozzy wrote:
Of course Elias could not answer Chauncy's question and had to deflect on the Catholic Church. Elias is fake because INC is fake.
Ozzy,

Everything is answered!!!

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The First World War broke out on July 27, 1914 concurrent with the registration of the true Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) with the Philippine government!!!

According to Christ, the time "ends of the earth" or when the end of the world is near, would be heralded by a series of events, beginning with a well publicized war. The fulfillment of this conflict is none other than the First World War which broke out on July 27, 1914:

"The first great campaign on the southeastern battle grounds of the Great War began on July 27, 1914, when the Austrian troops undertook their first invasion of Serbia ... "

Reference:(The Story of the Great War, p.291).

The only Church in our times in which these prophecies have been fulfilled is none other than the Iglesia ni Cristo (Church of Christ), that emerged in the Philippines--which is in the region known as the Far East, and was officially registered on July 27, 1914, prophetically coinciding with the outbreak of World War 1. The Iglesia ni Cristo had its first worship service in the West on July 27, 1968 in Ewa, Hawaii, and is now firmly entrenched in many countries and territories all over the world.

This war as described in the Scriptures, would utilize "chariots like whirlwinds" and "horses swifter than eagles" (Isaiah 34:1-3; Jer. 4:11-13, 19). The fulfillment of this prophesied war is World War I, which broke out on July 27, 1914. This war was the first war to utilize tanks [chariots like whirlwinds] and airplanes [horses swifter than eagles](World History, pp. 478-479; Story of the War, p. 291).

Historians document the emergence of the Iglesia ni Cristo or the Church of Christ, as can be read in a book entitled, Dynamic Religious Movements:

"The Iglesia ni Cristo is significant not only in the Philippines . As one of the largest, most powerful and dynamic independent, indigenous churches in the Third World, the Ighlesia ni Cristo demands our careful study.

"What is the story of the Iglesia ni Cristo? Can we discover the reasons for its remarkable growth? Why has it been so successful in propagating its teachings in areas where other churches have grown only with difficulty?

"The date of official registration was July 27, 1914, the day which witnessed the beginning of the First World War." (pp. 85, 88)

There is no doubt that the Church of Christ that emerged in the Philippines is the fulfillment of the prophecy about the "other sheep" of Christ---those recognized by the Savior as His own and regarded by God as His sons and daughters in these last days.

Improve your low I.Q.!!!

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ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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Base Gardiner,
Yes, the false gods of the Catholic Church is spiteful for it does not exist in the Bible!!! Your Tuskegee Syphilis and typhoid is showing up for after defending the Catholic Church, you are now attacking their false Gods!!!
Improve your low I.Q.!!!
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Real Elias Ibarra
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It is clear that our Guam based punching bag has lost touch with reality. I have never championed the Roman Catholic Church. I find all organized religions to be scams. Correcting Rizalino's lies is what I do. He simply cannot stand being exposed as a fraud.

He couldn't even answer a simple question about his faith. ROTFLAO! He is afraid.

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Everything is answered!!!
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No, you didn't.

I specifically asked if your God was so spiteful that he created the world and then man in his own image but then vengefully set out to doom thosewho were born before 1914 ad all those who aren't willing to accept your cult? Can you answer that very simple question?

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