Pinoys in NY prepare for Calungsod's sainthood

Aug 27, 2012 Full story: ABS-CBN News 206

The San Pedro Calungsod Organizing Committee in New York is busy preparing for the Filipino martyr's official recognition to sainthood in October.

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ELIAS IBARRA

Hagatna, Guam

#23 Sep 29, 2012
The missing ivories from a government warehouse would for sure crop up secretly during the "Pedo" Calungsod canonization in the forms of figurines, crosses, and other graven images!!!

The Catholic Church had long prepared for this eventuality, profits from the process of beguiling!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Hagatna, Guam

#24 Oct 1, 2012
Stop Catholic and Protestant persecutions against the Jews and the Muslims!!!

The whole world reacted in unison against the gossipmongerings of the Roman Catholics and Protestants against the Muslims and the Jews!!!

It is all ban, ban, and ban of the showing of the anti-Muslim film!!! It is all no, no, and no to the stereotyping of the Jews!!!

Meanwhile, Australia now fully knows the rapist in their midst: Catholic priests and Protestant ministers!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#25 Oct 3, 2012
They said that the Catholic Church in the Philippines would conduct an inventory of all their graven images made from ivory!!! Its been several days already and there is no report of the inventory status whether they had just started or about to be finished!!!

I know that with thousands of elephants killed because of the large demand for ivories from worshippers of graven images plus the grandstanding , it would take a long time to complete the inventory!!! But the Catholic Church has a duty to inform the public of the progress in the inventory!!! False vicars of Christ, give the public an update!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#26 Oct 5, 2012
Newsflash!!! Catholic News!!! Two Catholic-baptized security guards stole a parish church's offerings in Negros Isalnd!!! Their acts were caught in the CCTV camera!!!

The Catholics are now wondering as to what will be the reaction of "Pedo" Calungsod!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#27 Oct 5, 2012
They said that the Catholic Church in the Philippines would conduct an inventory of all their graven images made from ivory!!! Its been several days already and there is no report of the inventory status whether they had just started or about to be finished!!!

I know that with thousands of elephants killed because of the large demand for ivories from worshippers of graven images plus the grandstanding , it would take a long time to complete the inventory!!! But the Catholic Church has a duty to inform the public of the progress in the inventory!!! False vicars of Christ, give the public an update!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Kiwi Thumper

Sydney, Australia

#28 Oct 5, 2012
if he were around when christ was alive he would have been rebuked so much for the true followers and only true church

On February 28, 1989, an angered Iglesia Ni Cristo minister shot two men with a .38 caliber pistol in Baranggay Lamot II, Calauang, Laguna, as reported by Jun Tiosen in newspaper,“Abante.” Calauang Police Station Commander Lt. Romulo Endaya identified the minister as Joseph Dadoy of Ma. Victoria Poultry Farm of that town. The victims Ronaldo Arogancia, 22, and Ricardo Ortiz, 32, both reside in Baranggay Lamot I were drunk during the incident. According to the investigation of Pfc. Milencio Nuñez, Dadoy was having a meeting with his fellow INC members when the victims came around 6:45 p.m. and mocked their religion. Dadoy, after some exchange of words with the two drunk men, was infuriated and shot the victims. Arogancia died while being treated in Laguna Provincial Hospital due to a gunshot at the chest, while Ortiz was shot once at each thigh and was treated in San Pablo Doctor Hospital. The INC minister was arrested and imprisoned in Calauang Municipal Jail.
Kiwi Thumper

Australia

#30 Oct 5, 2012
On March 5, 1994, two years after the murder of the five college students,“3 Iglesia ‘Vigilantes’ Nabbed for Beheading, Roasting 2 Men!” was headlined in People’s Journal Tonight, written by Ed Serrano and Leo Villan. Photo of the skull of roasted Jorge Sorbeto and the body of beheaded Edgar Loquinario, a security guard in Bahay-Bahayan Restaurant in Antipolo, was provided on front page. The ‘vigilantes’ were reportedly members of the Iglesia Ni Cristo Security Force which included two policemen. One of the arrested INC Security Force members was identified as Antonio Lim,“whose Nissan pickup was said to have been used in the twin slays.” Sorbeto’s charred remains were found a day after he was abducted, while Loquinario’s body was recovered in Rodriguez, formerly Montalban.
Kiwi Thumper

Australia

#31 Oct 5, 2012
yes drone you are a true follower of christ right drone my friend was not telling any white lies when she was confronted by 4 thugs from the inc church in la castellana why threaten an inocent pastor why threaten to rape her your lot are not capable of violence right drone

The ensuing year, on July 24, 1995, another shooting incident that involved another minister of the Iglesia Ni Cristo was reported by Jess Larman in People’s Journal. Police identified the shooter with a .45 caliber pistol as Raul Caragay, an INC minister residing in Baranggay Parang, Bagac, Bataan. The victim, Manuel Payad, 29, a farmer in Baranggay Cabog-Cabog, was shot three times and was declared dead upon arrival at St. Joseph Hospital. The INC minister was arrested under the custody of Balanga Police.
Kiwi Thumper

Australia

#32 Oct 5, 2012
our drone will respond later stating how its all just lies fabricated lies

On April 18, 2006, two years prior to Marcos Mataro’s killing, former fellow INC members invited him for a discussion in a fast food chain restaurant in Apalit, Pampanga but ended in beating him up and his companions. The video footage of the incident was played in Ito Ang Balita in UNTV 37 where the INC group, led by a certain Mr. Ferma, a confirmed INC minister, was seen beating some ADD members and Mataro. The physically-mauled ADD members filed charges against the INC assailants, but the case was dismissed by San Fernando Assistant Provincial Prosecutor Otto Macabulos. The ADD group questioned this decision, for when this INC group filed charges of frustrated murder against the ADD, it passed.“In that food chain incident, we were the ones being physically beaten, abused, and mobbed and yet we were the ones charged of frustrated murder. It was the opposite of the true account…” Manuyag testified.

On October 2, 2007, INC members beat up three preachers from the Pentecostal Missionary Church of Christ (PMCC) in a scheduled debate at the corner of Quiricada and Almeda streets in Manila. This was reported by Evelyn Macairan in Philippine Star Online. The violence began, according to police, when INC minister Felix Mangulabnan allegedly grabbed the video camera held by Allen Alhambra, 34, one of the PMCC preachers who was recording the said debate. Luz Esto, 49, and Rodolfo Catarroja, 50, both PMCC preachers helped get the camera when INC member Joseph Salombre joined the skirmish and beat up the PMCC preachers. Manila Police District (MPD) officers arrested Salombre after being identified by the PMCC preachers as one of those who beat them up and took the camera equipment that belonged to their church.
dog spelled backwards

Heinsberg, Germany

#33 Oct 6, 2012
Kiwi Thumper wrote:
our drone will respond later stating how its all just lies fabricated lies
On April 18, 2006, two years prior to Marcos Mataro’s killing, former fellow INC members invited him for a discussion in a fast food chain restaurant in Apalit, Pampanga but ended in beating him up and his companions. The video footage of the incident was played in Ito Ang Balita in UNTV 37 where the INC group, led by a certain Mr. Ferma, a confirmed INC minister, was seen beating some ADD members and Mataro. The physically-mauled ADD members filed charges against the INC assailants, but the case was dismissed by San Fernando Assistant Provincial Prosecutor Otto Macabulos. The ADD group questioned this decision, for when this INC group filed charges of frustrated murder against the ADD, it passed.“In that food chain incident, we were the ones being physically beaten, abused, and mobbed and yet we were the ones charged of frustrated murder. It was the opposite of the true account…” Manuyag testified.
On October 2, 2007, INC members beat up three preachers from the Pentecostal Missionary Church of Christ (PMCC) in a scheduled debate at the corner of Quiricada and Almeda streets in Manila. This was reported by Evelyn Macairan in Philippine Star Online. The violence began, according to police, when INC minister Felix Mangulabnan allegedly grabbed the video camera held by Allen Alhambra, 34, one of the PMCC preachers who was recording the said debate. Luz Esto, 49, and Rodolfo Catarroja, 50, both PMCC preachers helped get the camera when INC member Joseph Salombre joined the skirmish and beat up the PMCC preachers. Manila Police District (MPD) officers arrested Salombre after being identified by the PMCC preachers as one of those who beat them up and took the camera equipment that belonged to their church.
Kiwi Thumper,

I am always amazed by the background informations you post here.
In my opinion also a good thing would be to interview people who quit that cult and publish this.- Of course anonymity has to be guaranteed, just to protect these people from later "visits" of INC-personal.
Of course our drone will deny and/or neglect your statements here.(But I do love his adrift and cramped fidgeting - and I bet that everybody else in this thread does so, too.)
It must be very hard if honesty would turn one´s life upside down!
Kiwi Thumper

Australia

#34 Oct 6, 2012
dog spelled backwards wrote:
<quoted text>
Kiwi Thumper,
I am always amazed by the background informations you post here.
In my opinion also a good thing would be to interview people who quit that cult and publish this.- Of course anonymity has to be guaranteed, just to protect these people from later "visits" of INC-personal.
Of course our drone will deny and/or neglect your statements here.(But I do love his adrift and cramped fidgeting - and I bet that everybody else in this thread does so, too.)
It must be very hard if honesty would turn one´s life upside down!
hi dog spelled backwards

the stuff i have on this cult is only on what has been given to me this cult goes out off its way from preventing the truth to come out this cult our drone belongs to has been known to threaten reporters and penticotal preachers who have confronted them

i know what we say about the cult or what is put up in the threads he has set up it must get him that mad to were he avoids to answer or respond notice how he finds old topics
Kiwi Thumper

Australia

#35 Oct 6, 2012
you can see how deluded felix manalo was to the point were his ego took over

"Bro.Cenon said according to him was spoken by Bro.Joe Ventilacion in the video:

"THERE IS ONLY ONE FLOCK. THERE IS ONE CHURCH. THERE IS ONLY ONE SHEPHERD. THAT SHEPHERD IS BRO. FELIX MANALO, NOT JESUS CHRIST."
Bro.Joe Ventilacion actually said:

“We beleive that when Christ said I shall have other sheep, THERE SHALL BE ONE FLOCK, THAT’S ONE CHURCH, THERE SHALL BE ONE SHEPHERD, THAT SHEPHERD IS BRO.FELIX MANALO NOT JESUS CHRIST because Jesus Christ said “there will be” that is in the future...”
Kiwi Thumper

Australia

#36 Oct 6, 2012
Here are some of the other un-biblical, or extra-biblical, doctrines that Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC) teaches:
• They believe that one must hear the gospel from authorized INC messengers and ministers.
• They believe the official name of the church is “Iglesia Ni Cristo.” Other names are not the true name of the church, and thereby false churches.
• They believe a person must be a member of an INC church and be water baptized to be saved.
• They believe people must avoid eating dinuguan, which is pork blood stew, a Filipino delicacy.
• Their members must avoid joining trade unions.
• Their members must avoid court sessions.
• They must vote in blocks.
• They are under compulsory church attendance.
• They must give tithes to the church.

According to the INC, all of the above rules and regulations are mandatory in order for a person to be saved. The Bible, of course, teaches that salvation is “the gift of God, not of works, lest any man boast”(Ephesians 2:9).

As is abundantly clear, the Iglesia Ni Cristo is a cult. They deny essential historic Christian doctrine—namely the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus Christ. They hold an almost unbreakable grip on their members and they impose a man-made path to salvation through service and works. Our Lord predicted that in the last days there would come many who claim to be Christ and lead people astray (Matthew 24:5). Thankfully he also said that the true believers would not be turned away (John 6:37)
dog spelled backwards

Heinsberg, Germany

#37 Oct 6, 2012
Kiwi Thumper wrote:
Here are some of the other un-biblical, or extra-biblical, doctrines that Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC) teaches:
• They believe that one must hear the gospel from authorized INC messengers and ministers.
• They believe the official name of the church is “Iglesia Ni Cristo.” Other names are not the true name of the church, and thereby false churches.
• They believe a person must be a member of an INC church and be water baptized to be saved.
• They believe people must avoid eating dinuguan, which is pork blood stew, a Filipino delicacy.
• Their members must avoid joining trade unions.
• Their members must avoid court sessions.
• They must vote in blocks.
• They are under compulsory church attendance.
• They must give tithes to the church.
According to the INC, all of the above rules and regulations are mandatory in order for a person to be saved. The Bible, of course, teaches that salvation is “the gift of God, not of works, lest any man boast”(Ephesians 2:9).
As is abundantly clear, the Iglesia Ni Cristo is a cult. They deny essential historic Christian doctrine—namely the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus Christ. They hold an almost unbreakable grip on their members and they impose a man-made path to salvation through service and works. Our Lord predicted that in the last days there would come many who claim to be Christ and lead people astray (Matthew 24:5). Thankfully he also said that the true believers would not be turned away (John 6:37)
Kiwi Thumper,

I know about these doctrines of the INC-Company.
Undoubtably these doctrines are contrary to the permanently stated sole biblical following of that cult and its members.
All neoreligious movements and sects and cults have in common that they scoop their right to exist out of fanatism and spiritual narrowness.
What is really disturbing and annoying is the permanent incitement against the other Catholic sects. It is so idiotic, preaching the confession of love and peace while there is a war raging within himself. But that is what agitators are like: Their secret is to make themselves as stupid as the audience, so that the audience will think to be as clever as them.
Our drone is showing us unobscured that his INC-Company is antithetic all through.
The Catholics are responsible for countless killings throughout the centuries, for oppression and injustice - even this very day.
But that is another issue. This is another thread.
This got nothing to do with a neoreligious cult like that INC-Company. By permanently exposing the Catholic´s malpractices and attacking them wherever possible doesn´t make anything better about your own cult. If a cult is not able to exist of its own accords it is nothing but questionable and lost the right to exist.
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#38 Oct 6, 2012
Kiwi Thumper wrote:
if he were around when christ was alive he would have been rebuked so much for the true followers and only true church
On February 28, 1989, an angered Iglesia Ni Cristo minister shot two men with a .38 caliber pistol in Baranggay Lamot II, Calauang, Laguna, as reported by Jun Tiosen in newspaper,“Abante.” Calauang Police Station Commander Lt. Romulo Endaya identified the minister as Joseph Dadoy of Ma. Victoria Poultry Farm of that town. The victims Ronaldo Arogancia, 22, and Ricardo Ortiz, 32, both reside in Baranggay Lamot I were drunk during the incident. According to the investigation of Pfc. Milencio Nuñez, Dadoy was having a meeting with his fellow INC members when the victims came around 6:45 p.m. and mocked their religion. Dadoy, after some exchange of words with the two drunk men, was infuriated and shot the victims. Arogancia died while being treated in Laguna Provincial Hospital due to a gunshot at the chest, while Ortiz was shot once at each thigh and was treated in San Pablo Doctor Hospital. The INC minister was arrested and imprisoned in Calauang Municipal Jail.
Kiwi Trashed,

Not everybody could just enter a private property especially drunks!!! Threatening the public with your drunkiness is a crime!!! You cannot even enter my property even if you are not drunk and how much more if you are drunk???

The minister was out a few days!!! He was not the aggresive party but the drunk Catholics!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#39 Oct 6, 2012
None of these Catholic saints had ever understood their doctrines about the Holy Trinity!!! Calungsod himself did not understand the Holy Trinity!! For the leaders themselves are teaching unbiblical doctrines!!! So, the laughing is in order!!! But can one who does not understand his own teaching become a saint??? I think not!!!

Here's the proof that leaders of the Catholic Church themselves do not understand their teachings:

"The Trinity is a wonderful mystery. No one understands it. The most learned theologian, the holiest Pope, the greatest saint, all are mystified by it as a child of seven."

Reference:[Martin J. Scott, S.J., God and Myself, Nhil Obstat: Arthurus J. Scanlan, S.T.D., Imprimatur: Joannes Cardinalis Farley (P.J. Kenedy and Sons, 1917), pp. 118-119.]

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#40 Oct 6, 2012
The crimes of the Catholics, Protestants, and atheists as titles of TOPIX threads today:

Woman stabs hubby inside hotel room
Communist rebel leader captured in Philippines
Woman shot dead by riding-in-tandem suspects
Cop shot dead by riding-in-tandem in Manila
Farmers' groups condemn killing of IP leader

No Iglesia ni Cristo crime!!! Why??? A commentary states:

"Bishop Felix Manalo, consistently upheld in his sermons, in the Church congregations, in his utterances in public rallies, and in writings that he is a mere brother and, in keeping with the commission, teaches nothing of his own but merely converts people into the Church of Christ, and once therein these people should follow and obey that which God commands. This he does for he seeks only the glory of Him that has sent him."

Reference: Zoilo Galang, Editor of Encyclopedia Of the Philippines, Vol. 20,(c) 1958.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#41 Oct 6, 2012
Kiwi Thumper wrote:
Here are some of the other un-biblical, or extra-biblical, doctrines that Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC) teaches:
• They believe that one must hear the gospel from authorized INC messengers and ministers.
• They believe the official name of the church is “Iglesia Ni Cristo.” Other names are not the true name of the church, and thereby false churches.
Kiwi Trashed,

Yes, mankind must only listen to the authorized preachers sent by God!!! When we talk about God's messengers, we mean those whom God appointed to inform people of His message. The epistle to the Hebrews says thus:

"God who at sundry times and in diverse manners spake in times past unto the fathers by the prophets,
"Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son..." [Hebrews 1: 1-2, KJV]
Those sent by God speak God's words as Christ testifies:

"For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God..."[ John 3:34, KJV]

These words of reconciliation are needed by men in order to be reconciled with God:

"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the word unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation,

"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us; we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God." [II Cor. 5: 18-20, KJV]

People, therefore must seek God's law from His messengers:

"For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts." Mal. 2: 7, KJV]

God's messenger are mocked by the people to whom God has sent them:

"And the Lord God of their fathers sent to them by his messengers rising up betimes, and sending; because he had compassion on his people, and on his dwelling place;

"But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy." [II Chron. 36: 15-16, KJV]

Who are those that mocked God's messengers and despised the words that they preach? Is it not God's compassion to the people His reason for sending messengers to them?

"He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God." [John 8: 47, KJV]

Those who reject God's messengers and the words of God that they preach do not belong to God. Conversely, those who hear God's words from those whom God has sent belong to God and are assured of salvation:

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

"By which ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." [I Cor. 15: 1-2, KJV]

Must you persist in rejecting God's messengers?

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#42 Oct 6, 2012
Kiwi Thumper wrote:
Here are some of the other un-biblical, or extra-biblical, doctrines that Iglesia Ni Cristo (INC) teaches:
• They believe the official name of the church is “Iglesia Ni Cristo.” Other names are not the true name of the church, and thereby false churches.
Kiwi Trashed,

Yes, the official name of the true religion is Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo):

"Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you guardians, to feed the church of the Lord which he obtained with with his own blood." (Revised Standard Version)

The little flock is the Church of the Lord. Unto the Church of the Lord therefore, was given the kingdom of Christ by God. And who is the Lord who owns the flock or Church? In Acts 2:36, it is stated:

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom we have crucified, both Lord and Christ." (KJV)

The Lord is Christ Jesus. Hence, the Lord who owns the flock or Church is none other than our Lord Jesus Christ. And what is the name of the flock or Church which belongs to our Lord Christ? In Romans 16:16, Apostle Paul stated:

"Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you." (Ibid.)

How did the Apostles call the flock or Church which belongs to Christ? Apostle Paul called this Church, Church of Christ:

"Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed the church of Christ which he has purchased with his blood." [Acts 20: 28, Lamsa Translation]

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#43 Oct 13, 2012
Socio-civic activities of the Iglesia ni Cristo continue in the Philippines as well as the rest of the world!!! Tree reforestations were conducted in the towns of Bauang, La Union and Veruela, Agusan del Sur, Philippines and spearheaded by the Society of Communicators and Networkers (SCAN)!!! Trees planted were: mahogany, mango, Rambutan, and Mangosteen!!!

Blood donation drives were conducted in several places and the latest wwere in the towns of San Rafael, Bulacan and Dasmarinas, Cavyte!!! In the United States, aside from providing clothing and food for the needy, the Iglesia ni Cristo has conducted resume workshops so that those who are homeless and jobless could uplift their stature in life!!!

Real Elias Ibarra

Guam

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