Pope Francis at inaugural Mass: Amid so much darkness, we need to see the light of hope

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Pope Francis was being officially inaugurated as the 266th occupant of the Throne of St.

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rio

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The ''Babylonians'' had brought an army to the compound. Why couldn't a couple of nice fellows in suits have just gone and knocked on the door with warrants? Instead of dozens of heavily armed men in swat gear jumping out of cattle trailers. Typical OTT American nonsense.
I don't quite know either, a few Brits were also killed in the compound. The harrassment leading upto the FBI raid did little to give assurances to the people, and watching the videos they sent out of the compound they seemed like decent ordinary people with perhaps some questionable religious views thats all.
You think the ATF went there armed to the teeth for no reason?

They must have had intelligence about the arsenal of weapons Koresh's followers had, and just went ready for it.

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If you are going to examine the LDS Church, you will find that most of its dogma is common with Christianity, plus some North American bits added.
Now, if you want to say the story doesn't add up, well, maybe. But look ar Christian beliefs first, no less unbelievable.
A God in 3 parts being one? An immaculate conception? A virgin birth? Water transformed into wine? Jesus walking on water? The Nile splitting in 2 to let the Jews escape from Egypt? Miraculous cures? Death and resurrection? Bodily ascension to heaven? Angels?
Really, that doesn't seem more plausible than many myths perpetrated by the Mormons.
As a group,even if looked with suspicion, the Mormons never did harm in the same scale Christianity did through its history.
Sure, they are a close-knit society with singular practices, but no more than the Jews, for example.
The Book of Mormon written from the supposedly translated plates is seperate from the Bible for Mormons. Although they believe in the Bible too. The Book of Mormon archaeologically, genetically, historically etc it doesn't add up. Same could be said of some of Christianity relating to evidence etc, but there is at least some archaeological, genetic, and historical evidence backing up some of the things in the Bible.

Miracles are a matter of faith. But as I've said there are arcaheological, genetic and historical factors that back up some of whats written in the Bible. The same cannot be said of the Book of Mormon.

As far as harming people goes, the majority of Mormons to me seem to be a harmless decent bunch of people. But their beliefs must be open to criticism, as should all religious beliefs.

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You think the ATF went there armed to the teeth for no reason?
They must have had intelligence about the arsenal of weapons Koresh's followers had, and just went ready for it.
No but it was a bad move. The Sheriff in Waco used to go up to the compound and shoot his guns with Koresh. This wasn't some totally isolated community, they were known in the area. Child Protective Services had been up there too, no one shot at them. All that needed to happen was a couple of guys knock on the door with a warrant. Not a swat team consisting of dozens of men jumping out of cattle trailers.

They hadn't shot anyone who had come to the compound before, government or otherwise. I think the heavily armed swat team possibly had something to do with that....
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The Book of Mormon written from the supposedly translated plates is seperate from the Bible for Mormons. Although they believe in the Bible too. The Book of Mormon archaeologically, genetically, historically etc it doesn't add up. Same could be said of some of Christianity relating to evidence etc, but there is at least some archaeological, genetic, and historical evidence backing up some of the things in the Bible.
Miracles are a matter of faith. But as I've said there are arcaheological, genetic and historical factors that back up some of whats written in the Bible. The same cannot be said of the Book of Mormon.
As far as harming people goes, the majority of Mormons to me seem to be a harmless decent bunch of people. But their beliefs must be open to criticism, as should all religious beliefs.
To me, most "revealed" religions are based on myths perpetrated over times, which some people have accepted as truth. Holly books may contain some verifiable historical facts, but that doesn't amount to a solid basis for spiritual beliefs. People, writers, prophets have embelished stories to make them look as plausible.
I am too pragmatic to accept religions, but in this context, I don't differenciate Mormons, from Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc...

The LDS Church may be the biggest hoax for you, but to me, there is no difference with the rest of Christianity, Islam or Judaism: it's all a bit farcical really, let's be honest about it.

If I was looking for God, I wouldn't touch any Abrahamic religions with a barge pole.
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You forgot to mention the Muslim sex gangs prowling the UK in their hunt for innocent kaffir girls too.
How clumsy of you to forget EQ
You have obviously and selectively did not read my post properly, I will repeat so that your right wing brain cells, can maybe comprehend:

"These poisonous vermin are across the board, and they are from all walk's of life"

And I will add, in case you have a selective difficulty understanding, yes you are correct certain sick human being's who claim to be muslim have groomed and abused vulnerable children. However these sicko's are also amongst the extreme right wing community, numerous sexual sadist murderer's of young innocent children, within the American prison system are also white supremist's and anti-black.
Numerous sexual predator's of children, have recently come to light, who are amongst the British/English white celebrity world.
Numerous British/white people annually, are charged with collecting and distributing child obscence sickening porn, as well as being imprisoned for grooming and sexually abusing children.

As far as I am aware pal, child sexual abuse is no higher in the muslim community than the English/white community.
In fact, if I were to take a guess, per centage of the population, in Britain I am certain that it is sickenly, and amply higher within the English/white community.
I base this guesswork not on any bias which I will no doubt be falsely accused off, but the solid fact that it is white policemen, doctor's, teacher's, building worker's, office worker's, care worker's, etc whom are raided annually, by anti-child sexual abuse police detective's, and whom are then brought before the court's singularly to be punished, when in fact many of these same individual's, are part of a organised internet peodiphile ring.

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To me, most "revealed" religions are based on myths perpetrated over times, which some people have accepted as truth. Holly books may contain some verifiable historical facts, but that doesn't amount to a solid basis for spiritual beliefs. People, writers, prophets have embelished stories to make them look as plausible.
I am too pragmatic to accept religions, but in this context, I don't differenciate Mormons, from Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc...
The LDS Church may be the biggest hoax for you, but to me, there is no difference with the rest of Christianity, Islam or Judaism: it's all a bit farcical really, let's be honest about it.
If I was looking for God, I wouldn't touch any Abrahamic religions with a barge pole.
No I agree, holy texts are matters of faith.

The only thing that gets me about Mormonism is that the Book of Mormon has been disproved in terms of genetics (the Native Americans originating in Israel). White people being present in north America thousands of years ago (again genetics). Large cities in America over 1500 years ago (no shread of archeological evidence). There are many more factors such as these.

At least some of whats within Judaism, Christianity, Islam etc can be backed up arcaheologically and historically.

Then again I uphold the right of people to be Mormons if they wish but I also reserve the right to criticise it.

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You forgot to mention the Muslim sex gangs prowling the UK in their hunt for innocent kaffir girls too.
But what is anyone doing about it?

Sitting on internet forums moaning.

I'm not having a go at you.

But you know what I mean.
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Good answer Rio, avoid my point and call 'Islamop[hobe'
How predictable of you old boy.
It is systematic of you, and a few others, that your steer any post towards Islam, and every comment is an excuse for you to blame Muslims.

Paranoid, not much ...
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Ah at least we Irish and English can argue,debate civilly at eachother,with eachother.lol
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Can I ask a question to the Christian users here.
If in the bible we are told to give to the poor and that material goods are pointless then why is so much money spent on lavish garms and fancy cathedrals ? Why not give it too the poor ?
They Get the garments half price from Aldi(what more do you wanTTTTTTTTT?) I hope you dont want to see them downing Armani suits or worse Naked?????????? lol
Cathedrals are for people to sit and find comfort and escape.But no one is perfect look At UK church of England and that jewel encrusted crown they stick on your Queens head every so often.How many people would that feed in UK?And that carriage for god sake.At least the popes car is pat lada with protective glass.The queen drives around in gold lol.And both our governments and your royal family drive around in flash cars with flash wages and pensions,taking expensive holidays off tax payers backs.
But i agree with you,and a hell of alot of priests i know here in Ireland are very decent people and dont have fancy garments and do actually help poor.As for the Vatican i would be happy if they broke up all the riches in there and sold it off.After all Jesus cup was nothing more than a clay cup,someone forgot to remind them in Vatican.
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Its not Italian wally,Its peoples religion not one country.He is Argentinian not Italian isnt he? Nothing dumb about being faithful.I was messing about the whole leader stuff.He is just a human.You have a queen as head of your country and church of England.See the hypocrisy raving from your pores lol
Only one person i believe is head of Catholics and that's God.
So if you don't believe the pope is the word of god on earth and that you can ignore parts of catholic dogma, that makes you a Lutheran, a protestant.
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So if you don't believe the pope is the word of god on earth and that you can ignore parts of catholic dogma, that makes you a Lutheran, a protestant.
Actually you would be mistaken,i see him as an over seer,caretaker,as God told us not to bow down to anyone or glorify anyone or statues etc.. So therefore they are in the wrong not I.Learn something about true catholic faith, I can read. He is not my leader and word of god has been written already.All he does is repeat it and re read what men have changed to suit their own ends.Old Bible check it out.
Again like i said they are only care takers and speakers nothing more.They are not word of god.Word of god through him does not mean literally that.
I am true catholic.
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p.s I can Read,no one is my leader,no royal,no president,no politician and no pope and no woman man.I am my leader.God helps those who help themselves.Not those who do as their told or wait to do as they are told.
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Actually you would be mistaken,i see him as an over seer,caretaker,as God told us not to bow down to anyone or glorify anyone or statues etc.. So therefore they are in the wrong not I.Learn something about true catholic faith, I can read. He is not my leader and word of god has been written already.All he does is repeat it and re read what men have changed to suit their own ends.Old Bible check it out.
Again like i said they are only care takers and speakers nothing more.They are not word of god.Word of god through him does not mean literally that.
I am true catholic.
He does a lot more than just tell people what it already says in the bible.

The bible doesn't even mention contraception yet apparently the Catholic church has extremely strong views on the subject.
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He does a lot more than just tell people what it already says in the bible.
The bible doesn't even mention contraception yet apparently the Catholic church has extremely strong views on the subject.
There are many rules enforced by the Catholic Church that aren't in the Bible.
The Vatican has interpreted the Ancient texts over centuries to create a rigid dogma.

One could say that the Church has interpreted the comment "Go forth and multiply", and has decided that it meant an interdiction on any form of birth control, I suppose.

Also, "the sanctity of life" probably means anything related to reproduction is not to be tempered with. I only guess. As a result, Catholics consider that life exist from the time of conception.

Completely out of tune with modern life and the present society though... Hence the huge exodus from the Church.
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Completely out of tune with modern life and the present society though... Hence the huge exodus from the Church.
Islam is even less in tune with modern life and the present society.

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Of all the religious groups you mentioned, I think the Mormons don't deserve the title of "cult".
The Church of Latter Day Saints is a mainstream religion which has widely gained acceptance worldwide. I believe there are as many Mormons as Jews in the world.
Their dogma, which is ridiculed by critics, doesn't appear to be so different from Christianity. If one mocks the revelations, the miracles and the beliefs of Joseph Smith, he should apply the same rules to Christianity itself based on revelations, divine inspirations, etc...
Christians have really no business criticising the Mormons.
The Mormons, just like the Jehova's Witnesses are very insular and only seem to help members of their particular church.
Christians, and I'm meaning genuine Christians will help anyone of any faith, creed and colour.

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By how people can get so brainwashed by a preacher, is what I cannot understand.
One of my close relatives was a victim of Scientology. It reeked of 'cult', the lies he was told that were disproven by myself and other family members is amazingly scary, I couldn't believe he fell for it until I looked into the cult and found out how they brainwash people.

Scary and dangerous cult indeed.

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It is systematic of you, and a few others, that your steer any post towards Islam, and every comment is an excuse for you to blame Muslims.
Paranoid, not much ...
Why-ever-not, if it upsets and annoys you and Equality then I'm more than happy. Isn't that right Equality my 'pal'

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In fact, if I were to take a guess, per centage of the population, in Britain I am certain that it is sickenly, and amply higher within the English/white community..
Yes, you are probably right, but what you don't mention buddy is that we won't tolerate it whereas Muslims, being insular are not prepared to make a stand.
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I base this guesswork,--- and whom are then brought before the court's singularly to be punished, when in fact many of these same individual's, are part of a organised internet peodiphile ring.
Yes, again you are probably right but also again the authorities will, and do act when they find these perverts as we will only too happily inform the authorities when these perverts are recognised.

How many of these Muslim paedo gangs were dropped in it by their own people?

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