Episcopal Church Fast Facts

Oct 28, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: CNN

Here's a look at what you need to know about the Episcopal Church , which has been a self-governing autonomous body since 1785.

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Typical article on TEC -- all gay and no gospel.

“... truth will out.”

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Typical article on TEC -- all gay and no gospel.
Now there's no room for both in TEC's overhead compartment, so the Gospel had to go.

Morality has become excess baggage.

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Boy! What a pair of ridiculous posts from Joey and the Deaf Listener.

That article is not much about The Episcopal Church. And even what it states is wrong.

Instead, it is about the Church of England and the Anglican Communion. And it is about the timeline of various entities and groups who took issue with TEC's acceptance of the Diocese of New Hampshire's election of Gene Robinson to be their bishop.

Lastly, it is about the new Archbishop of Canterbury.

The article is not really very much "fast facts" about TEC.

Just worthlessly biased "fast and loose."
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RevKen wrote:
Boy! What a pair of ridiculous posts from Joey and the Deaf Listener.
That article is not much about The Episcopal Church. And even what it states is wrong.
Instead, it is about the Church of England and the Anglican Communion. And it is about the timeline of various entities and groups who took issue with TEC's acceptance of the Diocese of New Hampshire's election of Gene Robinson to be their bishop.
Lastly, it is about the new Archbishop of Canterbury.
The article is not really very much "fast facts" about TEC.
Just worthlessly biased "fast and loose."
What items in the article are not factual?

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Dan wrote:
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What items in the article are not factual?
I really don't know anything about the person who wrote this article. But, their first sentence tells just about everything about how they regard The Episcopal Church, judging by the content of what follows the so-called "Other Facts."

"(CNN)-- Here's a look at what you need to know about the Episcopal Church, which has been a self-governing autonomous body since 1785."

What follows is a list about the Anglican Church - not the Episcopal Church. And even that isn't correct.

http://anglican.org/church/ChurchHistory.html

The Protestant Episcopal Church of the U. S. A. was initially formed completely independent of and from the Church of England.
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RevKen wrote:
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I really don't know anything about the person who wrote this article. But, their first sentence tells just about everything about how they regard The Episcopal Church, judging by the content of what follows the so-called "Other Facts."
"(CNN)-- Here's a look at what you need to know about the Episcopal Church, which has been a self-governing autonomous body since 1785."
What follows is a list about the Anglican Church - not the Episcopal Church. And even that isn't correct.
http://anglican.org/church/ChurchHistory.html
The Protestant Episcopal Church of the U. S. A. was initially formed completely independent of and from the Church of England.
The first sentence in the article declares the US Episcopal Church autonomous.

The other detail says "Anglican Church" this or that.

What facts presented are not "facts"?

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The first sentence in the article declares the US Episcopal Church autonomous.
The other detail says "Anglican Church" this or that.
What facts presented are not "facts"?
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What in the article isn't factual?

You said parts were "wrong".

What parts?

“... truth will out.”

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RevKen wrote:
Boy! What a pair of ridiculous posts from Joey and the Deaf Listener.
That article is not much about The Episcopal Church. And even what it states is wrong ...
What's wrong?
From Episcopal Church Fast Facts

Timeline:
August 5, 2003 - The Episcopal Church USA, at its meeting for its General Convention in Minneapolis, votes to ordain openly gay Gene Robinson as bishop of New Hampshire.

August 8, 2003 - The Archbishop of Canterbury invites 38 church leaders to the October 2003 Primates meeting in response to the "recent General Convention of the Episcopal Church USA and events in Canada and England."

October 7, 2003 - Over 2,000 clergy and parishioners meet in Plano, Texas, to consider splitting from the Episcopal Church USA.

October 15-16, 2003 - The leaders of the Anglican Episcopal Church meet in London to discuss the Episcopal Church USA's vote to ordain an openly homosexual bishop.

October 17, 2003 - The U.S. Episcopal Church will risk a break with the Anglican Church if it allows the consecration of an openly gay bishop in its New Hampshire diocese, says the president of the American Anglican Church. Rev. Canon David Anderson said the diocese's decision to go forward with the consecration - after Anglican primates released a statement saying they "deeply regret" such an action - was unfortunate.

November 2, 2003 - Rev. Canon Gene Robinson is consecrated as a bishop.

January 20, 2004 - A group of dissident Episcopal church members meeting in Texas approve a charter for a new protest organization challenging the authority of the Episcopal Church. The aim of the Network of Anglican Communion Dioceses and Parishes is "to stand within the (Episcopal) constitution and reclaim the Episcopal Church," the group's leader says. Under the charter, organizers said bishops would have the authority to "minister" and provide sacraments to any parish in the United States without the permission of the presiding bishop, something which is normally required.

March 7, 2004 - Robinson officially takes over as Bishop of New Hampshire, with his investiture ceremony.

October 18, 2004 - An Anglican church commission calls on the U.S. Episcopal Church to apologize and refrain from promoting clergy living in a same-sex union.

February 20 - 25, 2005 - The Anglican Communion's primates meet in Newry, Northern Ireland. On February 24th, they issue a statement asking the Episcopal Church USA and the Anglican Church of Canada to withdraw from the Anglican Consultative Council, a key governing body, until the Lambeth Conference in 2008.

June 21, 2006 - During its convention in Columbus, Ohio the Episcopal Church approves a resolution calling on church leaders involved in picking bishops "to exercise restraint by not consenting to the consecration of any candidate ... whose manner of life presents a challenge to the wider church and will lead to further strains on communion."

November 4, 2006 - The Rt. Rev. Katharine Jefferts Schori, Bishop of Nevada, is installed as Presiding Bishop, elected to a nine-year term, becoming the first female to head the Episcopal church nationwide.

December 17, 2006 - Eight conservative Episcopal congregations in Virginia announce their plans to leave the US Episcopal Church.

December 8, 2007 - The Diocese of San Joaquin in California votes to leave the Episcopal Church.

October 4, 2008 - The Diocese of Pittsburgh votes to leave the Episcopal Church.

November 7, 2008 - The Diocese of Quincy, Illinois votes to leave the Episcopal Church.

November 15, 2008 - The Diocese of Fort Worth votes to leave the Episcopal Church ...

Is there a problem with these dates, Ken?

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What's wrong?
From Episcopal Church Fast Facts
Timeline:

#1.) August 5, 2003 - The Episcopal Church USA, at its meeting for its General Convention in Minneapolis, votes to ordain openly gay Gene Robinson as bishop of New Hampshire.

August 8, 2003 - The Archbishop of Canterbury ...

October 7, 2003 - Over 2,000 clergy and parishioners meet in Plano, Texas, to consider splitting ...

October 15-16, 2003 - The leaders of the Anglican Episcopal Church meet ...

October 17, 2003 -... says the president of the American Anglican Church.

#2.) November 2, 2003 - Rev. Canon Gene Robinson is consecrated as a bishop.

January 20, 2004 - A group of dissident Episcopal church members meeting in Texas approve a charter for a new protest organization challenging the authority ...

#3.) March 7, 2004 - Robinson officially takes over as Bishop of New Hampshire, with his investiture ceremony.

October 18, 2004 - An Anglican church commission calls on

February 20 - 25, 2005 - The Anglican Communion's primates meet ...

#4.) June 21, 2006 - During its convention in Columbus, Ohio the Episcopal Church approves a resolution calling on church leaders involved in picking bishops "to exercise restraint by not consenting to the consecration of any candidate ... whose manner of life presents a challenge to the wider church and will lead to further strains on communion."

#5.) November 4, 2006 - The Rt. Rev. Katharine Jefferts Schori, Bishop of Nevada, is installed as Presiding Bishop, elected to a nine-year term, becoming the first female to head the Episcopal church nationwide.

December 17, 2006 - Eight conservative Episcopal congregations in Virginia announce their plans to leave ...

December 8, 2007 - The Diocese of San Joaquin in California votes to leave ...

October 4, 2008 - The Diocese of Pittsburgh votes to leave ...

November 7, 2008 - The Diocese of Quincy, Illinois votes to leave ...

November 15, 2008 - The Diocese of Fort Worth votes to leave ...

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Is there a problem with these dates, Ken?
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Nah.

But of the eighteen dates listed, only five are about very limited issues of The Episcopal Church. The other thirteen are about people who have disagreements with The Episcopal Church.

The Author [and article] expresses a biased viewpoint which is for the most part unfavorable to The Episcopal Church. It is opened with the statement, "... what you need to know about the Episcopal Church,..."

The whole thing is biased and off the mark.

Moreover, it lays the schism of the Church of England with the RCC as resulting from Henry 8th's divorce. A common misperception resulting from an uninformed half-truth that really has very little to do with the formation of The Episcopal Church.

Even so, and acknowledging the English Church as established in the Colonies, The Protestant Episcopal Church of the U.S.A. received the installment of its first Bishop, and Apostolic Succession, by way of the Scottish Rite, not the Church of England.

The Scottish Church legitimately establishes its Mission from the Disciples of Jesus Christ through the Envoy of Joseph of Arimathea in the First Century, A.D., before the establishment of the Roman papacy. Confirmation of that fact was made evident through the establishment of the monastery at Glastonbury.

These are the roots of the real tree; not the false graftings that you and others like to promote.

Rev. Ken

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I have found the services at Episcopal churches to be far too Roman Catholic style for my tastes. They definitely don't feel like Protestant churches.
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But of the eighteen dates listed, only five are about very limited issues of The Episcopal Church. The other thirteen are about people who have disagreements with The Episcopal Church.
The Author [and article] expresses a biased viewpoint which is for the most part unfavorable to The Episcopal Church. It is opened with the statement, "... what you need to know about the Episcopal Church,..."
The whole thing is biased and off the mark.
Moreover, it lays the schism of the Church of England with the RCC as resulting from Henry 8th's divorce. A common misperception resulting from an uninformed half-truth that really has very little to do with the formation of The Episcopal Church.
Even so, and acknowledging the English Church as established in the Colonies, The Protestant Episcopal Church of the U.S.A. received the installment of its first Bishop, and Apostolic Succession, by way of the Scottish Rite, not the Church of England.
The Scottish Church legitimately establishes its Mission from the Disciples of Jesus Christ through the Envoy of Joseph of Arimathea in the First Century, A.D., before the establishment of the Roman papacy. Confirmation of that fact was made evident through the establishment of the monastery at Glastonbury.
These are the roots of the real tree; not the false graftings that you and others like to promote.
Rev. Ken
Again, the article leads off by saying that TEC is autonomous.

Holy cow, Ken.

What "bias"? It's simply providing reportage, apparently, respective to the TEC timeline as it pertains to gay rights issues , which CNN covers extensively.

TEC makes news today due to the gay rights stance it takes. You affirm this stance as "good" as often as you can, and now a news organization noting events transpiring due to said stance is now "biased"?

I would think that you'd be happy that someone's noticing.

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What in the article isn't factual?
You said parts were "wrong".
What parts?
It's deceptive because it conflates in the minds of the reader entirely separate bodies.
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It's deceptive because it conflates in the minds of the reader entirely separate bodies.
Um, TEC IS part of the Anglican Communion. Article states this.

TEC IS autonomous. Article states this.

I'm a reader of the article and I didn't "conflate" anything.

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I have found the services at Episcopal churches to be far too Roman Catholic style for my tastes. They definitely don't feel like Protestant churches.
Don't worry about it, Fa-foxy.

One of these days, I'll drop by and we'll have Communion together followed by a couple of rounds of your coldest home-brew made in the Spirit of the Early Church.

Gauranteed to make you laugh out loud and hiccup with the Joy of Christ!

Find an everyday, common, Episcopal "Low-Church" to visit on occasion that remembers the importance of Runnymeade. They're out there and not too far between.

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It's deceptive because it conflates in the minds of the reader entirely separate bodies.
You are exactly right, Snyper.

When the purest waters of a glacier at the top of a mountain melt, descend, sublimate, evaporate, strike objects and divide into separate sources and tributaries, later precipitating in frosts and fogs and snows and rains and finally reforming into a great river that makes its way to the sea, it is all still, pure water.

Yet, even in its pureness, it has capacity to carry.
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You are exactly right, Snyper.
When the purest waters of a glacier at the top of a mountain melt, descend, sublimate, evaporate, strike objects and divide into separate sources and tributaries, later precipitating in frosts and fogs and snows and rains and finally reforming into a great river that makes its way to the sea, it is all still, pure water.
Yet, even in its pureness, it has capacity to carry.
"the Episcopal Church, which has been a self-governing autonomous body since 1785."

The author even uses the redundannt qualifer "self-governing" here, in case a dim reader doesn't know what "autonomous" means.

"The Anglican Communion is made up of 38 independent self-governing churches, of which the U.S. Episcopal Church is one."

Here again the author employs a redundancy lest a dim bulb think the Anglican Communion and TEC are the same organization.

Given the title "..Fast Facts", I'm not sure how much clearer the author could have made the distinction betwixt the two.

.....and both statements are factual, which makes your upset over the piece a real mystery.

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Um, TEC IS part of the Anglican Communion. Article states this.
TEC IS autonomous. Article states this.
I'm a reader of the article and I didn't "conflate" anything.
LOL!!!....

You conflated it right there!

Why the obtuse denials? Are you the only person who reads such CNN crap?

I gave my reasons for objecting to the "conflating," as Snyper so aptly put it. Whether or not he has any sympathy for the historical rights and wrongs of The Episcopal Church, he is right about the CNN article.

But, you want to argue.
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LOL!!!....
You conflated it right there!
Why the obtuse denials? Are you the only person who reads such CNN crap?
I gave my reasons for objecting to the "conflating," as Snyper so aptly put it. Whether or not he has any sympathy for the historical rights and wrongs of The Episcopal Church, he is right about the CNN article.
But, you want to argue.
Actually, I want you to try to actually tell the board what is false about the article, since this was your stated position.

Now, it's gravitated toward "some dummy maybe won't understand that TEC and the Anglican Church aren't the same thing".

Quick (as in "fast"-not dissertations) facts are presented along with a timeline of recent significant TEC events.

No errors of fact are presented.

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Dan wrote:
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"the Episcopal Church, which has been a self-governing autonomous body since 1785."
The author even uses the redundannt qualifer "self-governing" here, in case a dim reader doesn't know what "autonomous" means.
"The Anglican Communion is made up of 38 independent self-governing churches, of which the U.S. Episcopal Church is one."
Here again the author employs a redundancy lest a dim bulb think the Anglican Communion and TEC are the same organization.
Given the title "..Fast Facts", I'm not sure how much clearer the author could have made the distinction betwixt the two.
.....and both statements are factual, which makes your upset over the piece a real mystery.
No further need to try to increase the voltage going to a dim bulb.

Might cause it to pop.

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