Pope resigns: An atheist's reflections

Feb 11, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Examiner.com

On Feb. 11, Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger , announced his retirement. He is the first pope in 600 years to resign from the position.

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Not to mention a dozen screen names.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Yep.
I've concluded he is unworthy of any further attention.
So I toggled my switch to "ignore".
:)
How long do you think it'll take him to figure it out?
Remember: he has the attention span of a gnat...
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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I, too have met quite a number of women who also self-identify as atheist.
As for the catholics-in-name? As they are sometimes referred to by their zealot brethren?
I actually respect them far more than the ones who take all the catholic dogma seriously.
I can easily understand why a person would want to keep the self-identification of "catholic", without giving any of it's dogma any serious thought.
It gives them a sense of place, of belonging. Not at all unlike a Jew who is also agnostic/atheist.
I also suspect that the vast majority of catholics world-wide are of this category, and don't believe 99% of the dogma in the least.
Proof, you ask?
Easy: the average number of children per family among the US Catholics is barely higher than the national average.
Meaning >>most<< of the US catholics are using contraceptives.
.... which makes me smile.
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What is funny is the constant use of the word

"I"

Stuck on himself ?

Count four this time :-)

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Not to mention a dozen screen names.
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At least a dozen.

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Although I find I amusing that we hold so much power over him that he has to resort to using so many screen names and has denied his Christianity all because he is terrified of actual debate with us.

That my friend tells the story.

Religion is losing the fight on a hundred fronts.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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At least a dozen.
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Religion is losing the fight on a hundred fronts.
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Your mission is accomplished.
Do you and the Pope have another mission?
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But I don't class my catholic friends as religionists.

They know little about the bible.
They use contraception as they see fit.
They despise the vatican structure.
They don't know why women can't be priests, bishops, or even popes.
But, that said, they still say they are catholics.

So they are not religionists but believers "of something".
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>That's funny because I don't know many female religionists these days,(although some are happy to pay lip-service for the sake of elderly relatives present - or to 'keep the peace').
It's men who run churches and mostly women who support them...
http://www.whychurch.org.uk/gendergap.php
Well, that makes as much sense as anything else about religion.

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Although I find I amusing that we hold so much power over him that he has to resort to using so many screen names and has denied his Christianity all because he is terrified of actual debate with us.
That my friend tells the story.
Religion is losing the fight on a hundred fronts.
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Indeed.

If religion was based on actual reality?

It could simply fall back on facts, instead of making up lies.

Kinda pathetic, really.

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Thinking wrote:
But I don't class my catholic friends as religionists.
They know little about the bible.
They use contraception as they see fit.
They despise the vatican structure.
They don't know why women can't be priests, bishops, or even popes.
But, that said, they still say they are catholics.
So they are not religionists but believers "of something".
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I've known of several catholics like you describe, above.

They use "catholic" as a kind of membership-club identity. It gives them some slight comfort, and a sense of belonging.

All without hampering their lives in the least-- and they give little or nothing to the catholic churches too. Perhaps a donation or three of material things to the various catholic charities.

I have no beef with these; it's more of a hobby for them, and as such, what they do is mostly harmless.
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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Indeed.
If religion was based on actual reality?
It could simply fall back on facts, instead of making up lies.
Kinda pathetic, really.
"actual reality" as an alternative to which reality :-)

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Normal Flora wrote:
<quoted text>My mother-in-law is like that. She never attends mass, constantly condemns the evil RCC and the demonic nuns, but gets upset when we refuse to join her for "grace" during holiday meals. Many older people don't even realize they're atheists because they were taught that's like being a baby raper. Plus they just don't want to give up their rituals.
Well, many humans take comfort in the rituals, the repetitions that are often tied with intense family feelings and a sense of belonging.

In fact, in the face of extreme sadness and loss, sometimes falling back on the rituals is how many folk cope and function until the grief has run it's course.

I have no problem with that in the least; people need to cope with life, as life is all too often, chaotic.

Exactly as you would expect, if there were no god guiding human kind, as it turns out.

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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Well, many humans take comfort in the rituals, the repetitions that are often tied with intense family feelings and a sense of belonging.
In fact, in the face of extreme sadness and loss, sometimes falling back on the rituals is how many folk cope and function until the grief has run it's course.
I have no problem with that in the least; people need to cope with life, as life is all too often, chaotic.
Exactly as you would expect, if there were no god guiding human kind, as it turns out.
:)
you repeat there is no God.
You know there is no God, by any definition of God in the entire Universe?
How?
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If there was a god there must be millions of not billions of them because believers can't even get it straight what or who their god really is! It's like each believer has their own personal interpretation of god much like you would expect of an imaginary construct.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Well, many humans take comfort in the rituals, the repetitions that are often tied with intense family feelings and a sense of belonging.
In fact, in the face of extreme sadness and loss, sometimes falling back on the rituals is how many folk cope and function until the grief has run it's course.
I have no problem with that in the least; people need to cope with life, as life is all too often, chaotic.
Exactly as you would expect, if there were no god guiding human kind, as it turns out.
:)
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If there was a god there must be millions of not billions of them because believers can't even get it straight what or who their god really is! It's like each believer has their own personal interpretation of god much like you would expect of an imaginary construct.
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The Straw Man fallacy

is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version.
Seems often used in religious discussions.

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If there was a god there must be millions of not billions of them because believers can't even get it straight what or who their god really is! It's like each believer has their own personal interpretation of god much like you would expect of an imaginary construct.
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Well, in reality? There are at least as many "gods" as there are believers, seeing as how 100% of the ones humans speak of, only exist within their own imaginations.

Now, if you factor in the intersection of two believers' imaginary god? That makes--between the two--one more, the intersection of each imaginary god.

If you consider that among whole groups of believers? There will be quite a large number of god-intersections.

Thus, it is not too far off the mark, to consider that there is a near-infinity of human gods, all within the collective and intersecting imaginations of believers.

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Of course, this means that every time a believer dies, his or her god dies also, as do all the intersection-created spin-off gods from that believer.

If the believer is of a large group?

This could mean that thousands of imaginary gods die with a single believer.

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The insanity of it is mind blowing ya?
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Well, in reality? There are at least as many "gods" as there are believers, seeing as how 100% of the ones humans speak of, only exist within their own imaginations.
Now, if you factor in the intersection of two believers' imaginary god? That makes--between the two--one more, the intersection of each imaginary god.
If you consider that among whole groups of believers? There will be quite a large number of god-intersections.
Thus, it is not too far off the mark, to consider that there is a near-infinity of human gods, all within the collective and intersecting imaginations of believers.
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Of course, this means that every time a believer dies, his or her god dies also, as do all the intersection-created spin-off gods from that believer.
If the believer is of a large group?
This could mean that thousands of imaginary gods die with a single believer.

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The insanity of it is mind blowing ya?
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Yes; religion is truly insanity writ large.

:)

For example, if you took the dogma of any random religion-fragment, and could show that only one person espoused said dogma?

Nobody would disagree that that person was quite insane.

Now, if you get, say 12 or 20 people sharing a single, nearly-unique bit of faith?

Most folk would also agree that group was just a cult-- another word for collective insanity.

But if you get huge numbers of folk to share in the insanity?

It's called "religion" and they demand that you "respect" their collective insanity.

*sigh*

That classic example of a man, who claims his hairbrush tells him how to live, and that he talks and prays to it every day? We call that man insane.

But if you take away the hairbrush? He's simply religious....

....meh.
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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Yes; religion is truly insanity writ large.
:)
For example, if you took the dogma of any random religion-fragment, and could show that only one person espoused said dogma?
Nobody would disagree that that person was quite insane.
Now, if you get, say 12 or 20 people sharing a single, nearly-unique bit of faith?
Most folk would also agree that group was just a cult-- another word for collective insanity.
But if you get huge numbers of folk to share in the insanity?
It's called "religion" and they demand that you "respect" their collective insanity.
*sigh*
That classic example of a man, who claims his hairbrush tells him how to live, and that he talks and prays to it every day? We call that man insane.
But if you take away the hairbrush? He's simply religious....
....meh.
Is English your first language?
Perceive the idea that you wish to be critical of another.
Did you read this before you typed?
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Interesting happening in religious news

Cardinals swore an oath of secrecy and locked themselves inside the Sistine Chapel on Tuesday, starting a conclave that they hope will elect a new pope who can heal divisions inside Roman Catholicism's hierarchy while tending to its 1.2 billion faithful.
The procession of cardinals into the chapel capped a day of carefully scripted events designed to showcase unity among the princes of the church as well as their continuity with centuries of tradition. But the rituals came against a backdrop of stark splits over what kind of leader Catholicism needs to guide it in its 21st century.
In the evening, black smoke rose from the chapel, signaling that cardinals didn't reach the two-thirds majority needed to choose a new pope in their first vote. The voting was set to continue on Wednesday m
European Pressphoto Agency
Thousands of people await the result of voting at the Sistine Chapel in Vatican City on Tuesday. Black smoke rose from the chapel's chimney, signaling cardinals hadn't chosen a pope.
In recent weeks, cardinals from around the world have publicly vented grievances over the opaque governance of the Roman Curia, the Vatican's scandal-plagued administrative body, pitting themselves against a coterie of colleagues who are longtime Vatican insiders.

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Hey the looney with the hairbrush can at least demonstrate the hairbrush exists!
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Yes; religion is truly insanity writ large.
:)
For example, if you took the dogma of any random religion-fragment, and could show that only one person espoused said dogma?
Nobody would disagree that that person was quite insane.
Now, if you get, say 12 or 20 people sharing a single, nearly-unique bit of faith?
Most folk would also agree that group was just a cult-- another word for collective insanity.
But if you get huge numbers of folk to share in the insanity?
It's called "religion" and they demand that you "respect" their collective insanity.
*sigh*
That classic example of a man, who claims his hairbrush tells him how to live, and that he talks and prays to it every day? We call that man insane.
But if you take away the hairbrush? He's simply religious....
....meh.
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Lincoln wrote:
Interesting happening in religious news
Cardinals swore an oath of secrecy and locked themselves inside the Sistine Chapel on Tuesday, starting a conclave that they hope will elect a new pope who can heal divisions inside Roman Catholicism's hierarchy while tending to its 1.2 billion faithful.
The procession of cardinals into the chapel capped a day of carefully scripted events designed to showcase unity among the princes of the church as well as their continuity with centuries of tradition. But the rituals came against a backdrop of stark splits over what kind of leader Catholicism needs to guide it in its 21st century.
In the evening, black smoke rose from the chapel, signaling that cardinals didn't reach the two-thirds majority needed to choose a new pope in their first vote. The voting was set to continue on Wednesday m
European Pressphoto Agency
Thousands of people await the result of voting at the Sistine Chapel in Vatican City on Tuesday. Black smoke rose from the chapel's chimney, signaling cardinals hadn't chosen a pope.
In recent weeks, cardinals from around the world have publicly vented grievances over the opaque governance of the Roman Curia, the Vatican's scandal-plagued administrative body, pitting themselves against a coterie of colleagues who are longtime Vatican insiders.
I don't think they will make a decision on a new pope for a few days yet, they need time for them all to bugger each other. We should all by now be well aware of what goes on behind closed doors in the catholic church.

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