Pope resigns: An atheist's reflections

Feb 11, 2013 Full story: Examiner.com 326

On Feb. 11, Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger , announced his retirement. He is the first pope in 600 years to resign from the position.

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Thinking

Gillingham, UK

#227 Mar 9, 2013
Actually, I don't know many female Atheists... the catholics tend to be the best drinkers.
Very Cynical Person wrote:
<quoted text>I’m married to a pagan. We still have fundamental differences, but love trumps that.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#228 Mar 9, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Actually, I don't know many female Atheists... the catholics tend to be the best drinkers.
<quoted text>
That's funny because I don't know many female religionists these days,(although some are happy to pay lip-service for the sake of elderly relatives present - or to 'keep the peace').

It's men who run churches and mostly women who support them...
http://www.whychurch.org.uk/gendergap.php
Well, that makes as much sense as anything else about religion.
Lincoln

United States

#229 Mar 9, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>That's funny because I don't know many female religionists these days,(although some are happy to pay lip-service for the sake of elderly relatives present - or to 'keep the peace').
It's men who run churches and mostly women who support them...
http://www.whychurch.org.uk/gendergap.php
Well, that makes as much sense as anything else about religion.
Alas atheism seems "old hat" in the 21st century.
Atheism seems out in public schools, as Bible clubs exist in most public schools and prayer is in place in private schools.
Decline seems the rule?
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#230 Mar 9, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
Alas atheism seems "old hat" in the 21st century.
Atheism seems out in public schools, as Bible clubs exist in most public schools and prayer is in place in private schools.
Decline seems the rule?
Religion = superstition
Truth will out
Lincoln

United States

#232 Mar 9, 2013
Normal Flora wrote:
<quoted text>A bible club in Redneck, Alabama is not a national movement. Now that people will no longer be killed for perceived heresy (at least in America), youth are increasingly noticing and questioning the absurdity of the bible and other religions. Mythology will fall.
Miami, Florida, Boston Mass. New York City all have clubs in public schools.
Supreme Court has ruled on this.
Atheists love science - scientists seem to avoid atheists.

Peace

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#233 Mar 9, 2013
When scientific investigation into the natural world resumed in the Renaissance—after a 1000-year-plus hiatus—organized Christianity did everything it could to stamp it out. The cases of Copernicus and Galileo are particularly relevant here, because when the Catholic Church banned the Copernican theory (that the Earth revolves around the sun) and banned Galileo from teaching it, it did not consider the evidence for that theory: it was enough that it contradicted scripture. Given that the Copernican theory directly contradicted the Word of God, the Catholic hierarchy reasoned that it must be false
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
Miami, Florida, Boston Mass. New York City all have clubs in public schools.
Supreme Court has ruled on this.
Atheists love science - scientists seem to avoid atheists.
Peace
Lincoln

United States

#234 Mar 9, 2013
swerty wrote:
When scientific investigation into the natural world resumed in the Renaissance—after a 1000-year-plus hiatus—organized Christianity did everything it could to stamp it out. The cases of Copernicus and Galileo are particularly relevant here, because when the Catholic Church banned the Copernican theory (that the Earth revolves around the sun) and banned Galileo from teaching it, it did not consider the evidence for that theory: it was enough that it contradicted scripture. Given that the Copernican theory directly contradicted the Word of God, the Catholic hierarchy reasoned that it must be false<quoted text>
Very true.
Dark ages were filled with examples of these events.

How do you explain the decline of atheism in America?
Peace

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#235 Mar 9, 2013
Over the last five years, the number of Americans no longer affiliated with any religion increased by 25 percent. The study showed that 33 million Americans are now considered "unaffiliated" with any religious faction and 13 million people, about 19.7 percent, are identified as "atheist" or "agnostic."

It's important to point out that while many people are leaving the church, the majority still believe in "God" or a higher power. Nearly 70 percent of those listed a "unaffiliated" with religion say they believe in "God," while 37 percent say they are "spiritual." Falling below the 50 percent margin for the first time, only 48 percent of the American people are identified as Protestant.
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
Very true.
Dark ages were filled with examples of these events.
How do you explain the decline of atheism in America?
Peace

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#236 Mar 9, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>That's funny because I don't know many female religionists these days,(although some are happy to pay lip-service for the sake of elderly relatives present - or to 'keep the peace').
It's men who run churches and mostly women who support them...
http://www.whychurch.org.uk/gendergap.php
Well, that makes as much sense as anything else about religion.
Yes, well... the bible IS pretty much a manual on how to oppress women after all.

And in this modern, enlightened age where ideas such as women ought to have equal treatment as men?

I can see how few would welcome returning to the Dark Ages where they are just property (as taught by the bible and the quoran).

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#237 Mar 9, 2013
Normal Flora wrote:
<quoted text>A bible club in Redneck, Alabama is not a national movement. Now that people will no longer be killed for perceived heresy (at least in America), youth are increasingly noticing and questioning the absurdity of the bible and other religions. Mythology will fall.
Exactly right.

And this trend is accelerated by the freely available information found on the Internets.

In the past, it used to be rather difficult to find information that was not steeped in religious dogma-- even the local libraries had atheist literature sequestered in the adult section, carefully isolated from teens and children.

Lest this truth-speaking form of information teach the kids the truth about religion: that it's pretty much all a lie.

But now?

With more and more kids having smart phones that sport internet access?

Well... the truth always wins over lies, given an abundance of both.

The truth always remains the same, where the lies are all over the map... nothing really cohesive.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#238 Mar 9, 2013
The godbot Lincoln won't respond to actual facts. He's an evangelical Christian who parrots his band wagon logical fallacy again and again all the while to scared to discuss his beliefs.

One trick pony.
swerty wrote:
Over the last five years, the number of Americans no longer affiliated with any religion increased by 25 percent. The study showed that 33 million Americans are now considered "unaffiliated" with any religious faction and 13 million people, about 19.7 percent, are identified as "atheist" or "agnostic."
It's important to point out that while many people are leaving the church, the majority still believe in "God" or a higher power. Nearly 70 percent of those listed a "unaffiliated" with religion say they believe in "God," while 37 percent say they are "spiritual." Falling below the 50 percent margin for the first time, only 48 percent of the American people are identified as Protestant.
<quoted text>

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#239 Mar 9, 2013
Only 6% of at large scientists are theists.

Sorry your preacher made a jackass of of you again.
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
Miami, Florida, Boston Mass. New York City all have clubs in public schools.
Supreme Court has ruled on this.
Atheists love science - scientists seem to avoid atheists.
Peace

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#240 Mar 9, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Actually, I don't know many female Atheists... the catholics tend to be the best drinkers.
<quoted text>
I know quite a few female Atheists, but I do attend some social events that are sponsored by atheist, agnostics, and people looking for answers one way or another.

I know a lot of catholics some are devout to the core and others are hypocrites to their religion. Most are only playing the game for games sake. I work for an organization that has over three thousand employees and I own over 40 rental units so I run into a lot of different people. Many different religious beliefs and non-beliefs.
Lincoln

United States

#241 Mar 9, 2013
Very Cynical Person wrote:
<quoted text>
I know quite a few female Atheists, but I do attend some social events that are sponsored by atheist, agnostics, and people looking for answers one way or another.
I know a lot of catholics some are devout to the core and others are hypocrites to their religion. Most are only playing the game for games sake. I work for an organization that has over three thousand employees and I own over 40 rental units so I run into a lot of different people. Many different religious beliefs and non-beliefs.
Good to meet and work with different people.
Lincoln

United States

#242 Mar 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Only 6% of at large scientists are theists.
Sorry your preacher made a jackass of of you again.
<quoted text>
This picture is a modern lamentation scene. In religious paintings of the Lamentation of Christ by such masters of dignified emotion as Giotto and Poussin, the dead body of Christ has been taken down from the cross to be mourned by heartbroken women. Here, the corpse of Hugo Chávez inspires similarly emotional gestures and expressions in two women who have queued to see him in his open coffin.

If it seems pretentious to equate this tearful scene at the lying-in-state of Venezuela's late president with paintings like Raphael's Deposition – another harrowing depiction of the dead Christ mourned by his followers – then you probably live in a Protestant country. Venezuela has been deeply influenced by Catholicism since missionaries were sent to the coastline named "Little Venice" in the Renaissance

Consciously or not, the people in this picture, the photographer who took it, and even those who have decided that Chávez should lie in state "eternally", are all influenced by the rich visual heritage of the Catholic world that ranges from oil paintings to prayer cards, and feasts perpetually on images of martyrdom and mourning.

Are such displays of grief in Caracas the disturbing beginnings of a posthumous personality cult destined to swallow up a democracy? This picture, in the light of the news that Chávez is to remain on display permanently, inevitably summons up the waxy ghost of Lenin, that preserved icon of totalitarian communism. Yet was Lenin ever mourned as genuinely by the people as Chávez? Pictures of his lying in state in 1924 portray far more subdued crowds.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#243 Mar 9, 2013
Only 6% of at large scientists are theists.

Sorry your preacher made a jackass of of you.... Again.

Oh and you could just post a link spambot.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/...

Look at the rack on that mourner!

Pssst is it time for you to use your KJV screen name yet?
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
This picture is a modern lamentation scene. In religious paintings of the Lamentation of Christ by such masters of dignified emotion as Giotto and Poussin, the dead body of Christ has been taken down from the cross to be mourned by heartbroken women. Here, the corpse of Hugo Chávez inspires similarly emotional gestures and expressions in two women who have queued to see him in his open coffin.
If it seems pretentious to equate this tearful scene at the lying-in-state of Venezuela's late president with paintings like Raphael's Deposition – another harrowing depiction of the dead Christ mourned by his followers – then you probably live in a Protestant country. Venezuela has been deeply influenced by Catholicism since missionaries were sent to the coastline named "Little Venice" in the Renaissance
Consciously or not, the people in this picture, the photographer who took it, and even those who have decided that Chávez should lie in state "eternally", are all influenced by the rich visual heritage of the Catholic world that ranges from oil paintings to prayer cards, and feasts perpetually on images of martyrdom and mourning.
Are such displays of grief in Caracas the disturbing beginnings of a posthumous personality cult destined to swallow up a democracy? This picture, in the light of the news that Chávez is to remain on display permanently, inevitably summons up the waxy ghost of Lenin, that preserved icon of totalitarian communism. Yet was Lenin ever mourned as genuinely by the people as Chávez? Pictures of his lying in state in 1924 portray far more subdued crowds.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#244 Mar 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
The godbot Lincoln won't respond to actual facts. He's an evangelical Christian who parrots his band wagon logical fallacy again and again all the while to scared to discuss his beliefs.
One trick pony.
<quoted text>
Yep.

I've concluded he is unworthy of any further attention.

So I toggled my switch to "ignore".

:)

How long do you think it'll take him to figure it out?

Remember: he has the attention span of a gnat...

:D

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#245 Mar 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Only 6% of at large scientists are theists.
Sorry your preacher made a jackass of of you again.
<quoted text>
Not much of a challenge, that.

:D

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#246 Mar 9, 2013
Very Cynical Person wrote:
<quoted text>
I know quite a few female Atheists, but I do attend some social events that are sponsored by atheist, agnostics, and people looking for answers one way or another.
I know a lot of catholics some are devout to the core and others are hypocrites to their religion. Most are only playing the game for games sake. I work for an organization that has over three thousand employees and I own over 40 rental units so I run into a lot of different people. Many different religious beliefs and non-beliefs.
I, too have met quite a number of women who also self-identify as atheist.

As for the catholics-in-name? As they are sometimes referred to by their zealot brethren?

I actually respect them far more than the ones who take all the catholic dogma seriously.

I can easily understand why a person would want to keep the self-identification of "catholic", without giving any of it's dogma any serious thought.

It gives them a sense of place, of belonging. Not at all unlike a Jew who is also agnostic/atheist.

I also suspect that the vast majority of catholics world-wide are of this category, and don't believe 99% of the dogma in the least.

Proof, you ask?

Easy: the average number of children per family among the US Catholics is barely higher than the national average.

Meaning >>most<< of the US catholics are using contraceptives.

.... which makes me smile.

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#247 Mar 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Only 6% of at large scientists are theists.
Sorry your preacher made a jackass of of you.... Again.
Oh and you could just post a link spambot.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/...
Look at the rack on that mourner!
Pssst is it time for you to use your KJV screen name yet?
<quoted text>
It would be far from a challenge to make an azz of Lincoln...

... seriously.

All you'd need to do, is let him speak....

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