All Catholics must promote church's mission, Lincoln's new bishop says

Dec 6, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Cdowk.org

Bishop Conley began ministry as a priest for the Diocese of Wichita LINCOLN, Neb.

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Faith certainly has not helped your spelling or with any article of rational thought.

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The RCC needs to allow their priests to marry like they used to. This would largely calm them down sexually.

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The RCC needs to allow their priests to marry like they used to. This would largely calm them down sexually.
Dear Mr. Fischer,

I am certain that you are correct. The monastic and celibate culture, while seemingly and intellectually chaste, is actually, in practice, vulnerable to the kinds of institutional corruption that has taken place and which has become deeply rooted in the hierarchy of the Roman Church. This includes an internal culture that permits pedophiles to thrive in a system closed to external view and controls and necessary checks.

Celibacy is most likely best practiced as a simple matter of personal choice, instead of an institutional requirement.

Secondly, but just as important to the integrity of faith, the Church, in all of its denominations including the Roman, must come to grips with the fact that a certain small percentage of human beings are just plain queer. Their sexual orientation is NOT sin.

In The Episcopal Church, we are coming to openly acknowledge this undeniable fact, in spite of the damning influences of ancient tribal taboo and superstition and their hypocritical extensions into scripture, and subsequently, institutional religious dogma.

Truth will prevail.

Remember, Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life."

Rev. Ken
A disciple and priest of the Lord, Christ Jesus.
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Oral Roberts from Rhode Island. Sounds like you like the pedifile stuff since you keep Harping on it everywhere.... get over it or are you sad that you missed out.
...HE IS in that ''circle''of low-state-of -consciouness...He,SICKO,even ''steals'' other people's ..Names,here...WHY??..vHY???.. .eh..
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The RCC needs to allow their priests to marry like they used to. This would largely calm them down sexually.
...maybe so..maybe...

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paul SHYKORA arts wrote:
<quoted text>...HE IS in that ''circle''of low-state-of -consciouness...He,SICKO,even ''steals'' other people's ..Names,here...WHY??..vHY???.. .eh..
So a high state of consciousness is to support the perverted without question? My screen name is not real!!! There's a great deal of weirdos out there like you that normal non pedophile folks don't want to associate with. Let me put it this way so you can understand. WHAT saY the Squirrel MAKE vhat?!? Yada DO da Day.

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Help the poor, feed the hungry with no qualifications.- Jesus

Poor silly romans, only they would see this command as spam, clueless and nuts.

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We had two priests in our local parish St. Mary's that we arrested and convicted in a five year period. Cardinal Law was going to be charged with dozens of pedophile related charges but just days before the arrest he was given Vatican citizenship by the pope. Law now lives there under the RRC's protection. Father Gagan and Father James Porter molested over 200 kids by their own admission. That's a few out of dozens that we have seen year after year. All protected and covered up by the RRC. So no I am not upset I missed out I just find it disgusting that these losers cover it up and the arrogance of it all. I'll leave the blind faith and trust in these disgusting people to you. How anyone can listen to these degenerates is disgusting.
I have no response to Cardinal Law's situation as I too can not fathom how the pope at the time chose to protect him and why he is being protected to this day. I did read that he is not very popular in Rome with the other prelates. There was a Fr. Goeghan (not Gagan) who was finally convicted and was killed in prison. His case opened the whole can of worms as to priests sexually abusing children. Fr. James Porter is also problematic in that he was abusing children before he became a priest in the 50's, abused while being a priest until the 70's, was released from his vows and continued to abuse even after getting married. As awlful as these and other cases of priestly sexual abuse are it has caused Catholics to be more aware of the reality of pedophiles priestly ones and others. In the Church programs have been implemented to educate parents and all who work closely with children to be aware of the grooming practices of pedophiles and how to protect children from them. Pedophiles act out when the opportunity to do so is given them. Catholics are now more aware of this and doing what they can to protect children.
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I have no idea why you keep repeating this. It is patently untrue. Look up Doroty Day, Mother Theresa, Catholic Relief Services, The Saint Vincent dePaul Society, and on and on to see individuals and programs coming from the Catholic Church to help the less fortunate. Have all the issues with the teachings and practices of the Catholic Church that you want to but this kind of posting is not useful and does nothing to futher serious discussion.
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Dear Mr. Fischer,
I am certain that you are correct. The monastic and celibate culture, while seemingly and intellectually chaste, is actually, in practice, vulnerable to the kinds of institutional corruption that has taken place and which has become deeply rooted in the hierarchy of the Roman Church. This includes an internal culture that permits pedophiles to thrive in a system closed to external view and controls and necessary checks.
Celibacy is most likely best practiced as a simple matter of personal choice, instead of an institutional requirement.
Secondly, but just as important to the integrity of faith, the Church, in all of its denominations including the Roman, must come to grips with the fact that a certain small percentage of human beings are just plain queer. Their sexual orientation is NOT sin.
In The Episcopal Church, we are coming to openly acknowledge this undeniable fact, in spite of the damning influences of ancient tribal taboo and superstition and their hypocritical extensions into scripture, and subsequently, institutional religious dogma.
Truth will prevail.
Remember, Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life."
Rev. Ken
A disciple and priest of the Lord, Christ Jesus.
Unfortunately your intellegent post dims in the light of what came out of Penn State and the BBC's issues with pedophiles in their midst. There seems to be no place perfectly safe from individuals who are part of institutions and abusers at the same time. I personnaly see the fall of man from grace as to being the root cause of this abominable sin not celibacy in itself.

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Unfortunately your intellegent post dims in the light of what came out of Penn State and the BBC's issues with pedophiles in their midst. There seems to be no place perfectly safe from individuals who are part of institutions and abusers at the same time. I personnaly see the fall of man from grace as to being the root cause of this abominable sin not celibacy in itself.
Of course, Pax.

I don't blame the Church for a peculiar concentration of pedophiles. Pedophiles are sick people who cannot - are obsessed - recognize personal boundaries and are intent upon wrecking innocence. It is a monstrously vicious thing that they do.

Anywhere children, especially boys, congregate; whether schools, churches or institutions catering to young boys, such as the Boy Scouts, there will be an attempt by pedophiles to enter and prey.

In the last few years, institutions have begun to implement conduct standards and practices that minimize the opportunities for pedophiles to successfully isolate and prey on innocent children. These are good practices.

But, I must comment that the Vow of Celibacy is fraught with unusual difficulties. One must consider that the reasons for taking the vow in the first place may often be that an individual seeking to define his or her sexual behavior by total abstinence is already perceiving him or herself to be sexually hindered.

Furthermore, closed and cloistered societies and hierarchical institutions favor the action of subducting unfavorable practices. They start long-lasting habits and then they propagate these habits. Then they hide them in order to preserve order and avoid criticism. Want an example? Try the Military. How about the Bar Associations. It is an old adage that describes the fox guarding the chicken coop.

As much good as the Roman Church does, and it does plenty, it still has not come to grips with the problems. In fact, it is presently trying to misdirect attention by going after its homosexual priests.

The answer is to expose the homosexuality and encourage either absolute celibacy or marriage of its clergy, including ordination of male and female. That, the Lay Church Membership could both understand and accept.

That day will come.

Rev. Ken
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RevKen wrote:
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Dear Mr. Fischer,
I am certain that you are correct. The monastic and celibate culture, while seemingly and intellectually chaste, is actually, in practice, vulnerable to the kinds of institutional corruption that has taken place and which has become deeply rooted in the hierarchy of the Roman Church. This includes an internal culture that permits pedophiles to thrive in a system closed to external view and controls and necessary checks.
Celibacy is most likely best practiced as a simple matter of personal choice, instead of an institutional requirement.
Secondly, but just as important to the integrity of faith, the Church, in all of its denominations including the Roman, must come to grips with the fact that a certain small percentage of human beings are just plain queer. Their sexual orientation is NOT sin.
In The Episcopal Church, we are coming to openly acknowledge this undeniable fact, in spite of the damning influences of ancient tribal taboo and superstition and their hypocritical extensions into scripture, and subsequently, institutional religious dogma.
Truth will prevail.
Remember, Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life."
Rev. Ken
A disciple and priest of the Lord, Christ Jesus.
Rev. Ken-

You would agree that marriage being available hasn't "calmed down" the culture in general sexually.

I mean, cheer for your side all you want, but the availability of marriage hasn't rid the TEC world of sexual iniquity.

I'm not sure that the means to have sex "legally" counters pedophiliac urges, for instance. To put it coarsely, having a grown woman around to screw does little to divert the pedophile.
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Of course, Pax.
I don't blame the Church for a peculiar concentration of pedophiles. Pedophiles are sick people who cannot - are obsessed - recognize personal boundaries and are intent upon wrecking innocence. It is a monstrously vicious thing that they do.
Anywhere children, especially boys, congregate; whether schools, churches or institutions catering to young boys, such as the Boy Scouts, there will be an attempt by pedophiles to enter and prey.
In the last few years, institutions have begun to implement conduct standards and practices that minimize the opportunities for pedophiles to successfully isolate and prey on innocent children. These are good practices.
But, I must comment that the Vow of Celibacy is fraught with unusual difficulties. One must consider that the reasons for taking the vow in the first place may often be that an individual seeking to define his or her sexual behavior by total abstinence is already perceiving him or herself to be sexually hindered.
Furthermore, closed and cloistered societies and hierarchical institutions favor the action of subducting unfavorable practices. They start long-lasting habits and then they propagate these habits. Then they hide them in order to preserve order and avoid criticism. Want an example? Try the Military. How about the Bar Associations. It is an old adage that describes the fox guarding the chicken coop.
As much good as the Roman Church does, and it does plenty, it still has not come to grips with the problems. In fact, it is presently trying to misdirect attention by going after its homosexual priests.
The answer is to expose the homosexuality and encourage either absolute celibacy or marriage of its clergy, including ordination of male and female. That, the Lay Church Membership could both understand and accept.
That day will come.
Rev. Ken
How would encouraging marriage of clergy deter pedophilia?

It doesn't now. Married people are not "immune" from pedophila.

How would ordination of women (if possible in the RCC, which it is not) deter pedophilia? Females are not "immune" from pedophilia.

Again, cheer for your side as is your privilege, but you're not conecting the dots here.

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How would encouraging marriage of clergy deter pedophilia?
It doesn't now. Married people are not "immune" from pedophila.
How would ordination of women (if possible in the RCC, which it is not) deter pedophilia? Females are not "immune" from pedophilia.
Again, cheer for your side as is your privilege, but you're not conecting the dots here.
This is one of the illogical arguments most often offered. Married priests would not prey on children. Statistically there is more sexual abuse of children outside of priesthood and the catholic church than within.

More problematic is the view that marriage is simply a sexual outlet. This mindset takes what should be a lifestyle of love and committment and makes it a place to relieve one's urges.
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This is one of the illogical arguments most often offered. Married priests would not prey on children. Statistically there is more sexual abuse of children outside of priesthood and the catholic church than within.
More problematic is the view that marriage is simply a sexual outlet. This mindset takes what should be a lifestyle of love and committment and makes it a place to relieve one's urges.
That was my point.

Marriage and/or being female doesn't ameliorate pedophilia anymore than celibacy exacerbates it.

Faulty logic.
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This is one of the illogical arguments most often offered. Married priests would not prey on children. Statistically there is more sexual abuse of children outside of priesthood and the catholic church than within.
More problematic is the view that marriage is simply a sexual outlet. This mindset takes what should be a lifestyle of love and committment and makes it a place to relieve one's urges.
I disagree. The sex drive is inborn and very powerful. Since the days of Sigmund Freud psychologists have understood that repression of the sexual drive is the root problem of many harmful and other abnormal behaviors.

“Sexuality is the key to the problem of the psychoneuroses and of the neuroses in general. No one who disdains the key will ever be able to unlock the door.”— Sigmund Freud
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I disagree. The sex drive is inborn and very powerful. Since the days of Sigmund Freud psychologists have understood that repression of the sexual drive is the root problem of many harmful and other abnormal behaviors.
“Sexuality is the key to the problem of the psychoneuroses and of the neuroses in general. No one who disdains the key will ever be able to unlock the door.”— Sigmund Freud
Well, to Joe's and my point;

Married men assumptively don't have their sex drive completely repressed. They commmit pedophilia.

Non-celibate people, period, commit pedophilia in numbers I'd wager far exceed that of those self-identifying as celibate.

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