White House Petition Calls for Obama Admin to Designate the Catholic...

Jan 8, 2013 Full story: TheBlaze.com 44

On Christmas Day, a petition was added to the White House web site, urging the U.S. government to "officially recognize the Roman Catholic Church as a hate group." According to a brief description accompanying the plea, the basis for the designation is the church's stance on same-sex marriage and homosexuality.

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Angelo George Lopes

UK

#1 Jan 8, 2013
The world has gone mad the Catholic Church as a Hate Group?I despair who can equate a Church of over a billion souls that fights for the Rights of Humanity on a daily basis as a Hate Group.This minority of poor people must be joking if not they really have lost their understanding of hate.Hate would not be calling for understanding and love it would just be calling for their death and destruction as in other cultures through out the world less forgiving than ours.Travel has made me appreciate just how safe and how loving the West and its Churches are that we tolerate such nonsense.
nOgOd

Moline, IL

#2 Jan 8, 2013
"The Catholic Church is not a necessary organization, it is a nonsensical organization, a bunch of fat, lazy, do-nothings, who have been living off the public dole for centuries.

The fact that they can do good is a testament to the fact that there are good people who will do good, but the organization is corrupt. It is poisoned to its core and it serves no essential good purpose, no true purpose, it is lie after lie, promoting harm to real people....the Catholic Church is not a force for good."

-Matt Dillahunty, 7-22-12

Since: Oct 12

Coolidge, AZ

#5 Jan 8, 2013
It is unconstitutional for the U.S. to have diplomatic relations with the Vatican. Congress passed a law more tahn 100 years ago forbidding such a thing because it violates teh First Amendment. Why should the Roman Catholic Church be the only religious organization in the world that the U.S. sends an ambassador to ?! Doing so CLEARLY voilates the First Amendment.
shykora PAUL arts

Calgary, Canada

#7 Jan 8, 2013
..LIER.....NO....!!...eh

“Boot to the Head”

Since: Jul 08

Mogadore, OH

#8 Jan 9, 2013
Cal In AZ wrote:
It is unconstitutional for the U.S. to have diplomatic relations with the Vatican. Congress passed a law more tahn 100 years ago forbidding such a thing because it violates teh First Amendment. Why should the Roman Catholic Church be the only religious organization in the world that the U.S. sends an ambassador to ?! Doing so CLEARLY voilates the First Amendment.
Also a sovereign nation with ambassadorial relations with most countries.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#9 Jan 9, 2013
nOgOd wrote:
"The Catholic Church is not a necessary organization, it is a nonsensical organization, a bunch of fat, lazy, do-nothings, who have been living off the public dole for centuries.
The fact that they can do good is a testament to the fact that there are good people who will do good, but the organization is corrupt. It is poisoned to its core and it serves no essential good purpose, no true purpose, it is lie after lie, promoting harm to real people....the Catholic Church is not a force for good."
-Matt Dillahunty, 7-22-12
Well, if the esteemed Matt Dillahunty (whoever he is) says it, then the matter is settled.

Someone might want to forward Dillahunty's wisdom to the innumerable recipients of the Church's charitable and educational works wordwide so they can be "enlightened" similarly.

Since: Oct 12

Coolidge, AZ

#10 Jan 9, 2013
Cathoholic wrote:
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Also a sovereign nation with ambassadorial relations with most countries.
For more than 100 years, there was a federal law secifically barring U.S. diplomatic relations with the Vatican. In the 1980's congress repealed this law at President Reagan's request. The reason Reagan wanted teh law repealed, and wanted U.S. diplomatic relations with the Vatican is because he made a deal with Pope John Paul II. The Pope agreed to work with the C.I.A., and other U.S. intelligence and military personnel, to smuggle money and goods into Poland to fund and support Lech Walesa's Solidarity organization whicch was working (successefully obviously) to overthrow the communist government in Poland. Restoring diplomatic relations was part of teh price that the U.S. had to pay in it's secret war against the communist governments in Europe, and the Soviet Union. Sometimes Soviet officials would scream and yell and jump up and down about the conspiracy against them, and people would laugh at them and say it was their typical xenophobia. But it was true (LOL).

But that was then, and this is now. And becaus eof that I do not think the the U.S. SHOULD HAVE diplomatic relations with the Vatican as doing so OBVIOUSLY violates teh First Amendment. Name ANY other religious group we have diplomatic relations with. You can't. Just because the Roman Catholic Church has said "We declare ourselves a sovereign country !" does not make it so.

I'll be that if my church, "St. Martin's Second Reformed Lutheran Church & Mircrobrewery" also said, "We declare ourselves a sovereign country !", many countries would choose not to recognize us as such.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#11 Jan 9, 2013
Cal In AZ wrote:
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For more than 100 years, there was a federal law secifically barring U.S. diplomatic relations with the Vatican. In the 1980's congress repealed this law at President Reagan's request. The reason Reagan wanted teh law repealed, and wanted U.S. diplomatic relations with the Vatican is because he made a deal with Pope John Paul II. The Pope agreed to work with the C.I.A., and other U.S. intelligence and military personnel, to smuggle money and goods into Poland to fund and support Lech Walesa's Solidarity organization whicch was working (successefully obviously) to overthrow the communist government in Poland. Restoring diplomatic relations was part of teh price that the U.S. had to pay in it's secret war against the communist governments in Europe, and the Soviet Union. Sometimes Soviet officials would scream and yell and jump up and down about the conspiracy against them, and people would laugh at them and say it was their typical xenophobia. But it was true (LOL).
But that was then, and this is now. And becaus eof that I do not think the the U.S. SHOULD HAVE diplomatic relations with the Vatican as doing so OBVIOUSLY violates teh First Amendment. Name ANY other religious group we have diplomatic relations with. You can't. Just because the Roman Catholic Church has said "We declare ourselves a sovereign country !" does not make it so.
I'll be that if my church, "St. Martin's Second Reformed Lutheran Church & Mircrobrewery" also said, "We declare ourselves a sovereign country !", many countries would choose not to recognize us as such.
It doesn't violate the Establishment Clause. No other religion I know of has their seat in a sovreign state.

If your Church was HQ'd in a sovreign state, as the Vatican is, you could be US Ambassador and have diplomatic immunity.

I'm not sure how you're in position to adjudicate the authenticity of VC's sovreignty.

Since: Oct 12

Coolidge, AZ

#12 Jan 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
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It doesn't violate the Establishment Clause. No other religion I know of has their seat in a sovreign state.
If your Church was HQ'd in a sovreign state, as the Vatican is, you could be US Ambassador and have diplomatic immunity.
I'm not sure how you're in position to adjudicate the authenticity of VC's sovreignty.
The U.S. didn't recognize the Vatican's sovereignty for more than 100 years BECAUSE OF the establishment Clause. I think some non-Roman Catholic American citizen should sue to have the law establishing our diplomatic relations with teh Vatican unconstitutional because it clearly violates the First Amendment.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#13 Jan 9, 2013
Cal In AZ wrote:
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The U.S. didn't recognize the Vatican's sovereignty for more than 100 years BECAUSE OF the establishment Clause. I think some non-Roman Catholic American citizen should sue to have the law establishing our diplomatic relations with teh Vatican unconstitutional because it clearly violates the First Amendment.
Well, the Establishment Clause was still there in 1984 when diplomatic relations were realized, so now what?

Since: Oct 12

Coolidge, AZ

#14 Jan 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Well, the Establishment Clause was still there in 1984 when diplomatic relations were realized, so now what?
Somebody should sue to have the law authorizing diplomatic relations with The Vatican declared unconstitutional. Why should the Roman Catholic Church be singled out as the ONLY religious group in the world for the U.S. to have deiplomatic relatios with ? American taxpayers have to pay for an ambassador and support staff for this so it's not just an academic question.

And the First Amendment prohibits the federal government from favoring any one religion over any other religion, which this law clearly violates.

As a tax-paying American Protestant church-goer, whu should I have to pay for an ambassador to a religious group whom I disagree with on almost every issue ?

The ONLY reason that diplomatic relations were established with Teh Vatican in the 1980's was because of a secret deal to fnd the conspiracy against the communists in Europe and the Soviet Union. I supported that strategy then. But this is now. And Americna values are NOT "Catholic values".

Am I anti-Catholic ? YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I AM !
Dan

Omaha, NE

#15 Jan 9, 2013
Cal In AZ wrote:
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Somebody should sue to have the law authorizing diplomatic relations with The Vatican declared unconstitutional. Why should the Roman Catholic Church be singled out as the ONLY religious group in the world for the U.S. to have deiplomatic relatios with ? American taxpayers have to pay for an ambassador and support staff for this so it's not just an academic question.
And the First Amendment prohibits the federal government from favoring any one religion over any other religion, which this law clearly violates.
As a tax-paying American Protestant church-goer, whu should I have to pay for an ambassador to a religious group whom I disagree with on almost every issue ?
The ONLY reason that diplomatic relations were established with Teh Vatican in the 1980's was because of a secret deal to fnd the conspiracy against the communists in Europe and the Soviet Union. I supported that strategy then. But this is now. And Americna values are NOT "Catholic values".
Am I anti-Catholic ? YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I AM !
Your last sentence saved a lot of time. Floyd R. Turbo, American speaks right up.
I won't confuse you further with facts or logic.

Since: Oct 12

Coolidge, AZ

#17 Jan 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Your last sentence saved a lot of time. Floyd R. Turbo, American speaks right up.
I won't confuse you further with facts or logic.
All Protestants, BY DEFINITION, are anti-Catholic (otherwise, they would be Catholics, rite ?!:))

And The Roman Catholic Church is CLEARLY Anti-American because they do NOT support Freedom Of Religion, nor the separation of church and state.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#19 Jan 9, 2013
Cal In AZ wrote:
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All Protestants, BY DEFINITION, are anti-Catholic (otherwise, they would be Catholics, rite ?!:))
And The Roman Catholic Church is CLEARLY Anti-American because they do NOT support Freedom Of Religion, nor the separation of church and state.
Please cite where the Catholic Church expresses opposition to the First Amendment.

The news is rife with lawsuits Catholic orgnaizations have filed against the Obama administration for violation of First Amendment rights, so your proclamation apparently went unnoticed by them.

“Boot to the Head”

Since: Jul 08

Mogadore, OH

#20 Jan 10, 2013
Cal In AZ wrote:
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The U.S. didn't recognize the Vatican's sovereignty for more than 100 years BECAUSE OF the establishment Clause. I think some non-Roman Catholic American citizen should sue to have the law establishing our diplomatic relations with teh Vatican unconstitutional because it clearly violates the First Amendment.
Sounds more like anti-Catholic bigotry.

Clear violates? How does ambassadorial exchange with a Theocracy (with which I believe we have had several) establish a state religion in the US?

I don't believe there is any other sovereign nation quite like Vatican city, although there are several other European mirco-nations that retain sovereign status.
Cujo

Regina, Canada

#21 Jan 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Well, if the esteemed Matt Dillahunty (whoever he is) says it, then the matter is settled.
Someone might want to forward Dillahunty's wisdom to the innumerable recipients of the Church's charitable and educational works wordwide so they can be "enlightened" similarly.
What Matt is talking about, is the FACT that the Catholic church, primarily the Pope, through his words and actions, influences death globally, primarily in Africa. Him, the Pope, shouting off his big mouth telling aids ridden Africa that condoms are bad, is a great harm to those people.

The FACT that the Vatican has sheltered, moved and protected pedophile priests for decades and who knows how far back it might have went, has harmed and ruined thousands of lives.

The hatred and bigotry that comes from the catholic church against gay people is appalling, and affects millions of lives.

If you think throwing a blanket of charity over top of that is good enough, than you are no better.

Since: Oct 12

Coolidge, AZ

#22 Jan 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Please cite where the Catholic Church expresses opposition to the First Amendment.
The news is rife with lawsuits Catholic orgnaizations have filed against the Obama administration for violation of First Amendment rights, so your proclamation apparently went unnoticed by them.
That's easy ! Many PROTESTANT denominations, such as The Evangelical Lutheran Church In America (ELCA), The United Church Of Christ (UCC) and The Metropolitan Community Church (MCC) permit gay marriages in their churches. That is protected by the First Amendment. But the Roman Catholic Church is OPPOSED to the legal recogniztion of those religious marriages, thus attempting to deprive the members of those PROTESTANT churches the right to EQUAL PROTECTION protection of their RELIGIOUS LIBERTY, which violates teh FIRST AMENDMENT and the FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT. Do you dispute that ?!

“Boot to the Head”

Since: Jul 08

Mogadore, OH

#23 Jan 10, 2013
Cal In AZ wrote:
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That's easy ! Many PROTESTANT denominations, such as The Evangelical Lutheran Church In America (ELCA), The United Church Of Christ (UCC) and The Metropolitan Community Church (MCC) permit gay marriages in their churches. That is protected by the First Amendment. But the Roman Catholic Church is OPPOSED to the legal recogniztion of those religious marriages, thus attempting to deprive the members of those PROTESTANT churches the right to EQUAL PROTECTION protection of their RELIGIOUS LIBERTY, which violates teh FIRST AMENDMENT and the FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT. Do you dispute that ?!
So... because the Catholic Church opposes redefining marriage to mean whatever you decide it should mean, then it violates the establishment clause?

"Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests." -Johnnie Cochran (parody)

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#24 Jan 11, 2013
Angelo George Lopes wrote:
The world has gone mad the Catholic Church as a Hate Group?I despair who can equate a Church of over a billion souls that fights for the Rights of Humanity on a daily basis as a Hate Group.This minority of poor people must be joking if not they really have lost their understanding of hate.Hate would not be calling for understanding and love it would just be calling for their death and destruction as in other cultures through out the world less forgiving than ours.Travel has made me appreciate just how safe and how loving the West and its Churches are that we tolerate such nonsense.
The Catholic church staunchly refuses to accept people as they are, esp. when it comes to sex. The church torments gays, yet drags its feet over THEIR clergy who has done so much damage to children.

When it comes to gays or bi's, the church IS a hate group. It's a black or white institution in a gray world. And it has always given sex a bad name. Ratzi should bear in mind that the only way HE got here was because his daddy got HOT.
SHYKORA paul ARTs

Calgary, Canada

#25 Jan 11, 2013
...MORE ''HATE''...matrix of Ilusions,here....another chosen..placebo effect...

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