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The body of Bishop S.C. 'Sweet Daddy' Madison -- only the third leader in the 89-year-history of the United House of Prayer for All People -- will lie in state Thursday night at the denomination's palatial N.C. ...

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Hebrewsunite

Bothell, WA

#1736 May 24, 2011
I SHALL NOT BE MOVED wrote:
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Question? How can you validate saying that "Tithes are not required any more". Where did you read or hear that? References please.
Follow this series loved one and stop putting yourself in bondage. These guys are merely pimps… in pimps clothing. Where did any Apostle take up offerings constantly? Listen to the scriptures given here. Hebrew's are kept in financial bondage by these wicked men. Tithes are to be given to Levites are any of your pastors Levites? How can the “Bishop” be a Levite and a leader at the same time? Moshe’ was the leader of Israel, and NOT a Levite. Did not Yahushuwa do away with the Levitical priest hood? Have you never been taught this?
Hbr 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
I do guarantee you this if you bring this up to your pastor or any of your leadership they will try and silence you, shame you, and discredit you. Learn and live dearest loved one No man has the right to dictate to you a lifestyle you have chosen and worked hard to achieve for you and your family. Your clergy WILL NOT teach you this; 1Ti 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
“G” class, Love Gift, Pastors offering, Choir dues, travel w/the HOP @ your own expense in spite of the needs of your family or yourself. Those are NOT the sacrifices Yahuwah wants you to make.
Study this lesson and let the Ruach Ha Qodesh teach you how to use your resources for HIS glory NOT Daddy’s….

BIG PIMPIN 1 of 6
Cultastic

Washington, DC

#1737 May 25, 2011
Hebrewsunite wrote:
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Follow this series loved one and stop putting yourself in bondage. These guys are merely pimps… in pimps clothing. Where did any Apostle take up offerings constantly? Listen to the scriptures given here. Hebrew's are kept in financial bondage by these wicked men. Tithes are to be given to Levites are any of your pastors Levites? How can the “Bishop” be a Levite and a leader at the same time? Moshe’ was the leader of Israel, and NOT a Levite. Did not Yahushuwa do away with the Levitical priest hood? Have you never been taught this?
Hbr 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
I do guarantee you this if you bring this up to your pastor or any of your leadership they will try and silence you, shame you, and discredit you. Learn and live dearest loved one No man has the right to dictate to you a lifestyle you have chosen and worked hard to achieve for you and your family. Your clergy WILL NOT teach you this; 1Ti 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
“G” class, Love Gift, Pastors offering, Choir dues, travel w/the HOP @ your own expense in spite of the needs of your family or yourself. Those are NOT the sacrifices Yahuwah wants you to make.
Study this lesson and let the Ruach Ha Qodesh teach you how to use your resources for HIS glory NOT Daddy’s….
BIG PIMPIN 1 of 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Cw0jM-JT6mcXX
Standing Ovation.....
Im Free

Philadelphia, PA

#1738 May 25, 2011
Cultastic wrote:
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This made me LOL.... I was having this discussion with an older brother a few weeks ago. We concluded that you go through the deceased Daddy until the new one is elected.
Wow... Yea that sounds about right.... They make it up as they go along.... but none of it is biblical .... LOL
organized religion

Philadelphia, PA

#1739 May 27, 2011
Hello all,

I haven't been on here in a while......been really busy with some other things but thought I would share some information that I recently read, that I didn't know. The bishop has or is currently building new housing in DC where rent will be $2065 a month and it is not for House of Prayer members, is this true? I don't know too many HOP members that can afford 2k a month for rent. What I don't understand is how is he allowed to use member's money to build housing that is not for members????? Why are you all allowing this to happen? I was told the site of the new residential property used to be the senior citizen home McCollough built, that was torn down and the seniors were displaced. I pray to God this is not true. If so, you all still look to this man as a servant of God and still refuse to call this to the carpet?

My heart is broken over some of these issues, I know there are so many that have valid concerns and are afraid to question for fear of retaliation and/or being ostracized. But if you love the HOP do you really want it to remain on this path? You can keep regurgitating the bi-laws and constitution of the HOP all you like but I have news for you, the law of the land could not care less what TUHOPFAP’s laws are………., your HOP laws DO NOT TRUMP the law of this country. No organization to is big to be brought down. If the members do not stand together and do something about the issues in the HOP I will guarantee the government will step in and take over and trust me that is something I don’t think any of you HOP lovers want, but maybe that is what is needed. There is no accountability and it can not continue this way.

There are two 2 ltrs circulating around the organization. Although I do not agree with several things stated in the ltrs I most certainly agree with idea of having an independent audit of the HOP’s funds. You give money blindly and have no true idea how much is raised and what it is used for. We question our kids every time they ask for money, what it is being used for, what did you do with your allowance, you need to earn it. Why not ask some of these questions to the ppl you turn 10% of your salary, offering, g-class and love gifts over to. Why hasn’t anyone question why the bishop’s daughter is allowed to serve as legal counsel for the HOP? The attorneys that members pay for are supposed to have the organizations best interest at heart do you believe this is so, or does she have her father’s best interest at heart? This is a true conflict of interest.
smh lol and crying

Alpharetta, GA

#1740 May 27, 2011
Here you go: http://www.baileyhavenlofts.org/Index.html
As far as the seniors are concerned, I think they will be better off in a Assistant Living Facility. My reason is that they would get better care. Yes The UHOPFAP could have built one but I'm sure the staff would be sub-par. The property in Charlotte NC is private owned I think and is making money. But is in very poor condition. Don't quote me on that. But I'm sure someone on here knows that. It's getting ridiculous with each passing day.
Im Free

Philadelphia, PA

#1741 May 27, 2011
smh lol and crying wrote:
Here you go: http://www.baileyhavenlofts.org/Index.html
As far as the seniors are concerned, I think they will be better off in a Assistant Living Facility. My reason is that they would get better care. Yes The UHOPFAP could have built one but I'm sure the staff would be sub-par. The property in Charlotte NC is private owned I think and is making money. But is in very poor condition. Don't quote me on that. But I'm sure someone on here knows that. It's getting ridiculous with each passing day.
Wow, Im not impressed because those apartments are for the wealthy, but the HOP members will say " Dat Daddy sho is takn us up ta hihr groun". while they struggle to pay their mortgage and rent. Thats a shame and disgrace.
smh lol and crying

Alpharetta, GA

#1742 May 28, 2011
Im Free wrote:
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Wow, Im not impressed because those apartments are for the wealthy, but the HOP members will say " Dat Daddy sho is takn us up ta hihr groun". while they struggle to pay their mortgage and rent. Thats a shame and disgrace.
It's there weak attempt to cash in on DC rent control laws. I posted the link because of the comments prior to mine. Use the link to generate any further discussions you please. Be it positive or negative.
Have a great holiday weekend.
Cultastic

Washington, DC

#1743 May 31, 2011
smh lol and crying wrote:
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It's there weak attempt to cash in on DC rent control laws. I posted the link because of the comments prior to mine. Use the link to generate any further discussions you please. Be it positive or negative.
Have a great holiday weekend.
What I find most interesting is that these condos are right next to the UHOP. Members that will never live in them have to walk by them on the way to church. It's very sad that way folks turn a blind eye to the oppression
Hebrewsunite

Bothell, WA

#1744 May 31, 2011
I find it strikingly sad that those so-called intelligent members who have appeared on this site fail to see the correlation between their own state of poverty and the excessive lifestyle of the bishops, especially this one. INDEPENDENT AUDIT now! The stupidity (I truly mean no disrespect to any of the wonderful and beautiful members of this org. duly and constantly duped so as not to look up once in a while) of UHOP members is both thought provoking and mind numbing at the same time. Any preacher who has to ask you for $$$ can not be sent by YaHuWaH. Simple logic tells you that if you send you’re teen to pick up groceries, do you not give them enough to pay for the groceries and tax. Would you give them less or nothing and expect them to beg from strangers on the way to get the groceries you sent them to pick up? Of course not. When you are sent by Alayown Shaddi you have everything you need. I now regard any preacher who is void of the true name of the father and of the son as given in Hebrew to Miriam, and who begs you for $$$ as a liar, or a thief, or an ignoramus. Many are called but few are chosen. This is not hyper dimensional physics or a hyperbolic paraboloid. This is the salvation of mankind in its simple form, you do not need daddy you have YaHushuwah sent by our creator YaHuWaH. This is so sad, what are you all going to do if some large audit agency with ties to the FED and World Bank comes to audit the monies and properties of the HOP? If they close it or try and close it does the bishop and his legal staff has the corporate legal savvy to navigate the convoluted and cumbersome wiles of these snakes? I think not….. and then what?
Cultastic

Washington, DC

#1745 Jun 1, 2011
Hebrewsunite wrote:
I find it strikingly sad that those so-called intelligent members who have appeared on this site fail to see the correlation between their own state of poverty and the excessive lifestyle of the bishops, especially this one. INDEPENDENT AUDIT now! The stupidity (I truly mean no disrespect to any of the wonderful and beautiful members of this org. duly and constantly duped so as not to look up once in a while) of UHOP members is both thought provoking and mind numbing at the same time. Any preacher who has to ask you for $$$ can not be sent by YaHuWaH. Simple logic tells you that if you send you’re teen to pick up groceries, do you not give them enough to pay for the groceries and tax. Would you give them less or nothing and expect them to beg from strangers on the way to get the groceries you sent them to pick up? Of course not. When you are sent by Alayown Shaddi you have everything you need. I now regard any preacher who is void of the true name of the father and of the son as given in Hebrew to Miriam, and who begs you for $$$ as a liar, or a thief, or an ignoramus. Many are called but few are chosen. This is not hyper dimensional physics or a hyperbolic paraboloid. This is the salvation of mankind in its simple form, you do not need daddy you have YaHushuwah sent by our creator YaHuWaH. This is so sad, what are you all going to do if some large audit agency with ties to the FED and World Bank comes to audit the monies and properties of the HOP? If they close it or try and close it does the bishop and his legal staff has the corporate legal savvy to navigate the convoluted and cumbersome wiles of these snakes? I think not….. and then what?
Well stated; I love the parent/child grocery store analogy my brother. Unfortunately it will likely go over many of our UHOP sisters and brothers heads but you definitely present great points. Thank you
Hebrewsunite

Renton, WA

#1746 Jun 1, 2011
The truth of this entire matter is that the ministry in its entirety, and rightful place, was never intended to become a business based career. Since when is compensation from YaHuWaH insufficient to do his will? Since when do the ministers of the gospel of Yahushuwa depend on the gratuities of men, rather than the grace of YaHuWaH? Did not ravens feed Eli’yah? 1Ki 17:4. We know it was YaHuWaH that protected the 3 Hebrews in the fiery furnace; Dan 3:20. We know the Yahushuwa fed 5k people, w/5 loaves and 2 fishes. Mat 14:19. He did so w/o passing an offering pan before or afterwards too. Those that supplied the fishes? Do you ever read or get the impression that it was a great sacrifice for them? I know I have not. Then who are all these clergy who claim to represent “God’? They are telling you what sacrifices you need to make for the word. What seems to escape their diatribe is that the Word was made flesh and sacrificed himself for all of us. They are false prophets and are void of the reality of the manifold blessings of YaHuWaH. They need to wear custom made suits, with boutique ties, and Mauri Alligator shoes to be noticed, and their wives need $300.00 hats for recognition. I ask you is that modest apparel? 1Ti 2:9. There is nothing wrong with fashion excellence or riches and wealth. The man who is the father of the nation Abraham was extremely wealthy. What is wrong w/church folk that they are usually broke? Every week scrounging suit pockets for gas money for the work week, digging in seat cushions for lunch money for their children? Asking friends relatives for money, to tide them over until payday, or even getting “Payday Loans”. If tithing were still applicable today, then the blessings of Mal. 3:8-12 would still be applicable today also. How many generations of “Christians” have to keep on paying tithes before the windows of heaven finally open up and pour out a blessing they will not be able to receive? Too many HOP folk just want to look good when the “G” class report is read, jumping up and down in a foolish stupor when your group has somehow given more $$$ than another. All the while the bishop and his cronies are laughing at you all the way to their bank. Blindness in part has once again engulfed Israel… Rom 11:25. Cultastic, I’m just trying to make a dent, I do not mean to rant and rave, but souls are at stake here……
Bamm Ur A Joke

Hyattsville, MD

#1747 Jun 1, 2011
Cultastic wrote:
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Also listen to this minister it's a seven part series and will take you about an hour or so to watch but he breaks down the issue of tithes. I pray that you open your heart and mind to receive this message.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =cD_VI1WPwBEXX&feature=mfu _in_order&list=UL
Man of all the advice you can give to people concerning the HOP, and how to live and what to believe and what not to believe....None of this advice seemingly is enough for you to get your life back together. Get your son and job back that you were fired from because of your ignorant acts. Before you try to minister to someone else...Be ministered to. If your words are not feeding your own soul how do you expect it to feed others.
LOVE is KIND

Hyattsville, MD

#1748 Jun 2, 2011
Bamm Ur A Joke wrote:
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Man of all the advice you can give to people concerning the HOP, and how to live and what to believe and what not to believe....None of this advice seemingly is enough for you to get your life back together. Get your son and job back that you were fired from because of your ignorant acts. Before you try to minister to someone else...Be ministered to. If your words are not feeding your own soul how do you expect it to feed others.
OMG!!! IS THIS TRUE?
Cultastic

Washington, DC

#1750 Jun 2, 2011
Bamm Ur A Joke wrote:
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Man of all the advice you can give to people concerning the HOP, and how to live and what to believe and what not to believe....None of this advice seemingly is enough for you to get your life back together. Get your son and job back that you were fired from because of your ignorant acts. Before you try to minister to someone else...Be ministered to. If your words are not feeding your own soul how do you expect it to feed others.
Great shot.... Shows exactly what the UHOP is about you can't defend the UHOP teachings so you go on the defense. Also, please keep my son out of this it's not fair to bring the children into this. Let's be adults.

Interestingly enough if I were still a member and anything unfortunate happened to me it wouldn't be enough 8:00 prayers and olive oil in the world that you wouldn't offer me. However, because I disagree with your church then this is the best you can do is find pleasure in it. Okay so now you feel you've exposed me now what's next. Would you care to minister to me? You spelled my name correctly which means you know me personally. Make it an even playing field and put your name to what you say.

It's people like you that made me realize just how ignorant I was. So that the world knows a TRUE UHOP member just showed up. Now make sure you go to noon day service to shout the victory that you stood up to Bamm for the honor of the UHOP. I still told the truth.
Cultastic

Washington, DC

#1751 Jun 2, 2011
LOVE is KIND wrote:
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OMG!!! IS THIS TRUE?
Not sure who you are but if you're interested in knowing the TRUTH about me you can email me at [email protected] That goes for you too @Bamm Ur A Joke before you say anything else ignorant representing the UHOP.
Hebrewsunite

Bothell, WA

#1752 Jun 2, 2011
@Bamm Ur A Joke. The short statement and answer here is; “Yeah and So What”? The truth is “Constantineism” breeds those like you… who seek the ill fate of those who leaves its clutches. This is akin to witchcraft and sourcery. The evil that lurks in the reptilian Nephillim base of many of the imposters, that masquerade as folk following a religious order. The ministry in the “Christian Circe’” is fiercely evil, from the Crefalo $$$ to the Benny Hinn’s and the TD Fakes. They are no different in reality to the rich and wealthy drug cartel barons. This includes that crooked bunch in the HOP. At least with the cartels you know you are buying poison that will end your natural life. With these pimps in your pulpits you are buying a poison with eternal ramifications, and truly believing it will save your life. False names, Acts 4:12, false images Rev 19:20, 2Ki 10:27, Hsa 2:16, false messages, the “cross”... facing the east when you pray, Eze 8:14-16, selling in your sanctuaries Mat 21:13. If where you worship were really a temple recognized by YaHuWaH then YaHushuWaH himself would whip your Gen council and the bishop himself out of there. All the while your leadership is extorting capital by fear and coercion from your membership, and while you are all still putting a man in front of YaHushuWaH… and please don’t attempt to lie. Your legendary response to the intro to your false prophet garners more fanfare even than the fake name of Jesus, which makes one wonder if these hypocrites knew the true name would they still court blasphemy in search of favor from this ‘bishop’? Boy… Please. Joker your time would be better spent seeking the true name of YaHuWaH rather than attempting to get the mote out of someone else’s eye… Mat 7:3
Partner in Christ

Charlotte, NC

#1753 Jun 2, 2011
@Bamm ur a joke, you are ignorant as they come. Stop ignoring the truth and facts. The truth is Bailey is leading YOU straight to hell. These personal attacks is uncalled for. Your a coward, you would never say anything to his face so don't punk out over this board...PUNK! Most y'all members don't carry bibles anyway, nevertheless read a book or go to the library to find out facts about your first FALSE prophet Grace and the worse ever BIG Daddy Bailey. Now, since you want to TRY and make Bamm look bad...I'm going to post the 3 letters floating around that people have put out about BOOKMAN. Hold on.
Partner in Christ

Charlotte, NC

#1754 Jun 2, 2011
1st letter written by a member of the HOP:
Peace
Tomy brothers and sisters of the United House of Prayer please read this letter with an openmind and
a receptive heart. My intent is not to confuse anyone but to enlighten. The word "United" means that
we must stand together for a commonpurpose. Wemust stand together to defeat the enemy.Do not be
blinded by the blatant distractions of who the enemy might be. I will make some quick points but you
determine if there is any validity to any of this.
I'm sure many of you remember Daddy MadisonaskingLady Dee if she loved him? Did she answer
him? Why would Daddy Madison question his wife's love in front of the congregation? Because HE
knew she didn't love him. Members if you only knew how she mistreated him in the end, you would
cry. He didn't deservethis treatment. This womanis evil and cannot be trusted. She has had her
hands in the finances of this kingdom for many years, do you think she was going to relinquish power
after the death of her husband? Absolutely not! For years we have questioned why Lady Dee sits on
the mountain. Isn't it obvious she is the mastermind behind the plan, to take possession and keep her
GREEDY hands in the finances of The United House of Prayer and Daddy Bailey is her FAT
PUPPET. This is ventriloquism at its best. She gives the words and he delivers them to you.
Did Daddy Madison really name Apostle Bailey the Senior Minister? Why would he do something this
important in private? Whywouldn't he makethe announcement in service? When Daddy Madison
arrived for service that night I wondered what he would say, or even do. He did nothing, he said
nothing, and he didn't even acknowledge his newly named Senior Minister. Why? Because he was not
capable of making a decision such as this. He was an elderly and sick man, and it pains me to know
that those closest to him would deceive and abuse him this way.
Has anyone ever heard Daddy Bailey speak of what happened at Portal Drive that day when he was
named Senior Minister? Of course not, it never happened. Daddy Bailey has had many opportunities to
tell what happened. He eulogized Daddy Madison isn't that a good time to tell your most personal
connection with the deceased? But instead he eulogized him like a stranger. WHAT IS THE
SECRET? Maybe Apostle Cunningham can help us understand since he delivered the Senior Minister
letter. Did he witness anything? He hasn't said one word about what transpired on that day. WHAT IS
THE SECRET? Wasn't this supposed to have been a good thing? It was all a scheme a scam to get
Apostle Bailey,into position to become the next Bishop and Lady Dee to keep her GREEDY,
GRUBBY hands in the pot. It's my understanding that Daddy Bailey was paid a large sum of money
for this position. How much did Apostle Cunningham receive in addition to God's White House?
Daddy Bailey told Apostle Cunningham in Charlotte, NC, that he was loyal to him from the beginning
thus rewarding him with GWH. Clearly this promotion had nothing to do with his financial works in
Greensboro, they fell short and victory was lost at the 2010 announcement. While Apostle
Cunningham obtained victory on the works of others. What does this mean being loyal from the
beginning? Members do you see where I am going with this? They are all in this together and must be
STOPPED.
Partner in Christ

Charlotte, NC

#1755 Jun 2, 2011
1st letter continued:

Would you invest your hard earned money into a known ponzi scheme where you give and give with
no return on your investment? NEVER! Housing is being built with our money but not for us.•
WHAT? Are you Serious? We can't live in the Bailey Lofts ($2065 per month). But Daddy Bailey
would gladly take your $2000 Love Gift/"G" class report. Members we need to UNITE and DEMAND
an independent audit be conducted on every House in this kingdom for the past twenty years. We need
to know how much money was raised. How much was spent and for what. Is that too much to ask? If
everything balances out, No Harm, NO Foul. But if funds are unaccounted for, then, we have a
problem.
We have Pastors who have dedicated their entire lives to this organization and get nothing in return...
Partner in Christ

Charlotte, NC

#1756 Jun 2, 2011
Ok so, Letter #2 and Letter #3, I could not copy and paster b/c the copies I received were in Adobe PDF and it wouldn't let me copy and paste. Anybody you has the letters copy and paste to the board please! Time out for the HOP foolishness and ignorant people like @ Bamm ur a fake. BTW you need to come up with a better name; you played out already son.

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