United House of Prayer for All People: Bishop's body in Charlot...

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The body of Bishop S.C. 'Sweet Daddy' Madison -- only the third leader in the 89-year-history of the United House of Prayer for All People -- will lie in state Thursday night at the denomination's palatial N.C. ...
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I think scary is an understatement. I'll pass on those thoughts I haven't had any lunch yet....
I wouldn't be surprised at anything I hear at this point
I would not be too surprised either LOL!!! But that just sounds icky.....Or Nasty.....
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I think I'll pass on that one dear friend LOL. Excellent responses BTW, very enlightening.
UHOP Believer here's a great video for you. These are the church Elders, the leaders of the people. Keep in mind they are singing this in the streets representing the organization.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Now how do relay this message to all of your other brothers and sister of the BODY that are not members of the UHOP?
My, My, My. I remember that song! The sad thing is, more than half od those "senior elders" are probably as mean as rattlesnakes, and will use PHYSICAL FORCE if you disrespect Daddy or their organization. They could careless if anyone disrespects Jesus.

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You UHOP members are something else. I too was once stuck in the mud. I now truly believe, if God spears you to live a full life, you should not be Stuck on Stupid. You should be able to think for your self. You should stop settling for nothing. God gave us Life, Health and Strength. Why donít you use some of it?
UHOP members stay at my house every Convocation or Big events. The only Monies you have, is too buy whatever Nonsense the UHOP is selling. Iíve been out of the UHOP for over 30 years, and the members that stay with me could never return the favor. No way would I stay with someone that lives beneath me. They Eat Sleep and Bathe. They sleep in my nice clean Guess Rooms. They even wash their clothes. Not one of them has enough common sense to buy me a card to say Thank You after they leave. I even allowed them to bring whom ever they wanted. I had to tell the Married ones, their lovers could not stay here. Picture that.
I have a dedicated UHOP Aunt who is praying for me, I have a Home with 24 rooms; she has a Rent-Stabilized Apartment with 4 rooms. I have a Brand New Car, she has a Used one. I am retired with a Good Pension, sheís still working. I travel all over the WORLD, she go from church to church. I have money in the Bank. Your Daddy has hers. Who needs the Prayer?
I have 5 Generations of family stuck in this UHOP. I was the only one in my family applying for a McCollough Scholarship. They gave me 52.00. I was a tithe Payer, G Class worker, and paid ever dues, offering they asked for. Thatís when I realize if I could not depend on the UHOP feeding me. Because, if they were going to feed me the why they feed me that scholarship I would die. Yet you have the nerve to question me.
You are not learning anything. The reason thereís so much whoring around in the UHOP, itís because it starts at the top. If the head of the church is crocked what the members are going to be like. No one is teaching them right from wrong. Thatís why we read the Bible.
You donít READ nor do you CARRY the Bible. There are so much wrong being done in the UHOP in the name of the Devil, If you carried the Bible, look out for the lighting. The UHOP is truly not founded in the name of the Lord.
You canít see anything wrong with Dee traveling with this new Bishop and his wife. If I were a stranger, I would think your Bishop had two wives.
No one should give their all to anybody or anything and not get something in return. The only thing you get out of it is a dance when the band plays. Take away the Bands and there wonít be a UHOP.
We Non and Ex-Member have more Love, Understanding and Faith then you will ever have. Iíve never stopped Loving UHOP members. I stopped believing in your Daddy. Can you say the same?
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QUOTE who="G-Tee"]To Long Time Member
You UHOP members are something else. I too was once stuck in the mud. I now truly believe, if God spears you to live a full life, you should not be Stuck on Stupid. You should be able to think for your self. You should stop settling for nothing. God gave us Life, Health and Strength. Why donít you use some of it?
UHOP members stay at my house every Convocation or Big events. The only Monies you have, is too buy whatever Nonsense the UHOP is selling. Iíve been out of the UHOP for over 30 years, and the members that stay with me could never return the favor. No way would I stay with someone that lives beneath me. They Eat Sleep and Bathe. They sleep in my nice clean Guess Rooms. They even wash their clothes. Not one of them has enough common sense to buy me a card to say Thank You after they leave. I even allowed them to bring whom ever they wanted. I had to tell the Married ones, their lovers could not stay here. Picture that.
I have a dedicated UHOP Aunt who is praying for me, I have a Home with 24 rooms; she has a Rent-Stabilized Apartment with 4 rooms. I have a Brand New Car, she has a Used one. I am retired with a Good Pension, sheís still working. I travel all over the WORLD, she go from church to church. I have money in the Bank. Your Daddy has hers. Who needs the Prayer?
I have 5 Generations of family stuck in this UHOP...

WOW...I have been reading your posts ever since you became a member, and kept saying to myself there is something familiar about you. Reading alot of what you were writing was a revelation of whom you were. And after reading this post I now know who you are, after the description of your DEDICATED AUNT, the UHOP members who stay with you for every Convocation and Big Events(that does not have enough COMMON SENSE to buy you a Thank You card) and more so of the MARRIED ones who want their lovers to stay with them at your home. But DON'T forget about your BROTHER who is a PASTOR in the Southern District.
What saddens me the most is the way you talk about and degrade these people that clearly has done nothing wrong to you. But yet you still HELP them, allow them to sleep in your home and accept their diligent prayers. Does this make you a hypocrite? Or is this a way for you to keep that SECRET CONNECTION to DADDY despite what you write about it.
If it is in your heart to HELP these people, be it family or members...I say do it UNCONDITIONALLY. Do it from your heart whether they say THANK YOU or not or DON'T do it at all. This makes you no better that the UHOP itself in not supporting the members that need support.
I'll say this much...We have known each other from birth even though we were from different states and what I read and see now is what I saw then brewing. And was NOT surprised when you LEFT the HOP. But I hear every year you so FAITHFULLY attend the Baptism in New York. Why? Is it because of your TRUE connections to your spiritual roots or is it because you're afraid you might miss something.
Be very careful because you cannot cast any stones for you live in a GLASS HOUSE that just may be on the verge of SHATTERING.

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QUOTE who="G-Tee"]To Long Time Member
You UHOP members are something else. I too was once stuck in the mud. I now truly believe, if God spears you to live a full life, you should not be Stuck on Stupid. You should be able to think for your self. You should stop settling for nothing. God gave us Life, Health and Strength. Why donít you use some of it?
UHOP members stay at my house every Convocation or Big events. The only Monies you have, is too buy whatever Nonsense the UHOP is selling. Iíve been out of the UHOP for over 30 years, and the members that stay with me could never return the favor. No way would I stay with someone that lives beneath me. They Eat Sleep and Bathe. They sleep in my nice clean Guess Rooms. They even wash their clothes. Not one of them has enough common sense to buy me a card to say Thank You after they leave. I even allowed them to bring whom ever they wanted. I had to tell the Married ones, their lovers could not stay here. Picture that.
I have a dedicated UHOP Aunt who is praying for me, I have a Home with 24 rooms; she has a Rent-Stabilized Apartment with 4 rooms. I have a Brand New Car, she has a Used one. I am retired with a Good Pension, sheís still working. I travel all over the WORLD, she go from church to church. I have money in the Bank. Your Daddy has hers. Who needs the Prayer?
I have 5 Generations of family stuck in this UHOP...
WOW...I have been reading your posts ever since you became a member, and kept saying to myself there is something familiar about you. Reading alot of what you were writing was a revelation of whom you were. And after reading this post I now know who you are, after the description of your DEDICATED AUNT, the UHOP members who stay with you for every Convocation and Big Events(that does not have enough COMMON SENSE to buy you a Thank You card) and more so of the MARRIED ones who want their lovers to stay with them at your home. But DON'T forget about your BROTHER who is a PASTOR in the Southern District.
What saddens me the most is the way you talk about and degrade these people that clearly has done nothing wrong to you. But yet you still HELP them, allow them to sleep in your home and accept their diligent prayers. Does this make you a hypocrite? Or is this a way for you to keep that SECRET CONNECTION to DADDY despite what you write about it.
If it is in your heart to HELP these people, be it family or members...I say do it UNCONDITIONALLY. Do it from your heart whether they say THANK YOU or not or DON'T do it at all. This makes you no better that the UHOP itself in not supporting the members that need support.
I'll say this much...We have known each other from birth even though we were from different states and what I read and see now is what I saw then brewing. And was NOT surprised when you LEFT the HOP. But I hear every year you so FAITHFULLY attend the Baptism in New York. Why? Is it because of your TRUE connections to your spiritual roots or is it because you're afraid you might miss something.
Be very careful because you cannot cast any stones for you live in a GLASS HOUSE that just may be on the verge of SHATTERING.
You miss the whole point Baby, not believing in your Daddy any more has nothing to do with the members. Just because you stop coming should you cast aside your bond with people you knew from birth. Thats the UHOP Spirit. You turn your backs on people who left. You cast stones on those who speak up. You find fault in non-members. I don't have to hide who I am. I am proud to have made it this far with Gods Grace, Not Daddy Grace.
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I would not be too surprised either LOL!!! But that just sounds icky.....Or Nasty.....
Some things just should never happen and that is definitely one of them. We'll try to hopefully keep that discussion off the board LOL
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Some things just should never happen and that is definitely one of them. We'll try to hopefully keep that discussion off the board LOL
Reluctantly agreed I do hope this does not come back to haunt this board in the worst "I told you so" known to Christendom.... Shaluwm-
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I think I'll pass on that one dear friend LOL. Excellent responses BTW, very enlightening.
UHOP Believer here's a great video for you. These are the church Elders, the leaders of the people. Keep in mind they are singing this in the streets representing the organization.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Now how do relay this message to all of your other brothers and sister of the BODY that are not members of the UHOP?
LOL...I was told they took this video off line, because they saw some comments people made about it. Glad you found it and its still up and running so people can really see!
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You miss the whole point Baby, not believing in your Daddy any more has nothing to do with the members. Just because you stop coming should you cast aside your bond with people you knew from birth. Thats the UHOP Spirit. You turn your backs on people who left. You cast stones on those who speak up. You find fault in non-members. I don't have to hide who I am. I am proud to have made it this far with Gods Grace, Not Daddy Grace.
No...YOU missed the whole point. Just as you say WE turn our backs and csat stones on the ones who have left. What are YOU doing? You talk about the very ones you claim to help. You compare for self gratification. Look what I have and what you don't. Tell HOW you got it. Be real with yourself first before you try to belittle others.

I can respect the dialogue here when it is used to educate one another. But what sickens me is the attempts to justify why the people who have chose to leave the UHOP willingly claim they have more material items than the members.

But tell me how far have you really made it within your 24-roomed house. Maybe far with material items but not far mentally.

Die today or tomorrow and you are not taking a thing with you.
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I can respect the dialogue here when it is used to educate one another. But what sickens me is the attempts to justify why the people who have chose to leave the UHOP willingly claim they have more material items than the members.
I would prefer that the board not turn into a place of mudslinging and character assassinations but of course as humans we tend to do so. I think the point that may have been over looked is that G-Tee is showing that she was blessed and not "cursed" as we were taught since leaving the UHOP. I didn't read it as an attempt to self gratify (just my humble opinion).

In order to educate one must first be willing to learn. If you look back members are reading and lurking trying to figure out who's posting in order to launch a smear campaign with the hopes that we will shut up and the issue would just go away. No matter what my personal problems are the fact still remains that there are LOTS of things that need to change in the UHOP. The answer to that is not "mind your business and sweep around your own front door before you say something about us."; on the internet of course because members sit on the phone and in their local kitchens discussing some of the very same issues brought to light on this board.

If a man asks who's going to speak for me in the judgment? I can simply answer no man that has ever walked this earth. I'll have to give an account for every deed done in my body according to the scripture and so will he. Now most people will be offended simply because I told the truth and it's contrary to what "Daddy" said now is that fair to me? This has nothing to do with being some super spiritual person it's just common sense. If you've served under three or four bishops/prophets at the time of your death and you get to judgment and two of them say yes and two say no who has the deciding vote? What if you were a faithful member under Madison but you didn't do so well when you were younger under McCollough? It's confusing and certainly misleading.

I estimate the membership of the UHOP to currently be no more than about 100K being generous (no offense). IF Bishop Bailey is responsible for all of those people how would he be able to give an account for that many people? There's no way he knows that many people. So now let's see in the judgment he would have to refer to their local pastor (of course if he's there too) to see what type of member he/she was; it doesn't make sense because it's just not true.

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I would prefer that the board not turn into a place of mudslinging and character assassinations but of course as humans we tend to do so. I think the point that may have been over looked is that G-Tee is showing that she was blessed and not "cursed" as we were taught since leaving the UHOP. I didn't read it as an attempt to self gratify (just my humble opinion).
In order to educate one must first be willing to learn. If you look back members are reading and lurking trying to figure out who's posting in order to launch a smear campaign with the hopes that we will shut up and the issue would just go away. No matter what my personal problems are the fact still remains that there are LOTS of things that need to change in the UHOP. The answer to that is not "mind your business and sweep around your own front door before you say something about us."; on the internet of course because members sit on the phone and in their local kitchens discussing some of the very same issues brought to light on this board.
If a man asks who's going to speak for me in the judgment? I can simply answer no man that has ever walked this earth. I'll have to give an account for every deed done in my body according to the scripture and so will he. Now most people will be offended simply because I told the truth and it's contrary to what "Daddy" said now is that fair to me? This has nothing to do with being some super spiritual person it's just common sense. If you've served under three or four bishops/prophets at the time of your death and you get to judgment and two of them say yes and two say no who has the deciding vote? What if you were a faithful member under Madison but you didn't do so well when you were younger under McCollough? It's confusing and certainly misleading.
I estimate the membership of the UHOP to currently be no more than about 100K being generous (no offense). IF Bishop Bailey is responsible for all of those people how would he be able to give an account for that many people? There's no way he knows that many people. So now let's see in the judgment he would have to refer to their local pastor (of course if he's there too) to see what type of member he/she was; it doesn't make sense because it's just not true.
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And may God continue to Bless you and your family the way God is Blessing me. Thank You

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The UHOP wants its member to think they are preparing them for Heaven. I think our test is here on Earth. Self persuasion is the Law of the land.

When I was in the UHOP I never wanted anything but to please the Bishops. I never own anything; I can remember standing on street corners all hours of the night (3AM in the morning) waiting on Public Transportation; having to walk across two Highways alone; Singing and Praying Iíd get home safe.

I had an Aunt and Uncle that lived on the same street as I. They would pass me by in an empty car; never offering me a ride. I was twenty years old. Who would leave a Girl/Child on a corner alone? Where was the God in them? We were coming from the same Church.

I told God if he ever blessed me with a Car, I would never Pass a UHOP member, or any one I knew by.

Itís only when I left the UHOP and prayed to God my life changed. You canít beat GODS given. The more you give too God, The more he gives too you. Who said you had to live poor to serve God. My heart is for real.

Iím not here for a long time; I want my living not to be in vain. I want you to know I was here by what I have done for others. I want the clean heart. I want too Love all I see. I want to treat everybody right. I want you too see the God in me. Donít morn for me when I die, Say Well Done. This is the Love God has given me. This is my Prayer. This is me
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Stop playing word games with yourself. There is a reality that is now starring you in the face. Do not let that reality slap you in the face. I never stated NEVER STATED Phillip was NOT an evangelist. YOU DO ERROR again. I asked you to show me a scripture where the Ruach Ha Qodesh sent him. I showed the error in the translation. Since you purport yourself as some sort of etymologist lexicon student why not cal the Father by his real name or the son. Why do you use inappropriate and pagan titles for the creator and the savior i.e. God, LORD, or Jesus? Since you tout your prowess as an etymologist be real with yourself. Narrow?
I play no word games. I'm no etymologist lexicon expert. I have dicussed the name of the Father and Son in a previous thread. Oh BTW, i'm going to get back to your inerrant spelling of the Mashiach's Name and His Father's Name. So get ready.

I used English words whose origin you take offense; but the Almighty whose name is translitered in the English alphabet as Yahuah, which means "I was, I am, and I will be" knows my intent
and my heart.

You said that THE RUACH HA QOSESH (holy spirit) does not send evangelists/people. I proved YOU WRONG not by man's words, but by the Scriptures, which you say contradict me, but YET YOU SHOW NO PROOF, but Bullinger's Bible which corroborates my statements. Barnabas, Saul, and Philip were evangelists. YOu dismiss 1 of the verses BECAUSE YOU CLAIM the WORDS are not IN YOUR BULLINGER's Bible. Whose playing word games.

I HAVE BULLINGER's BIBLE and it is on the internet and can be viewed at http://levendwater.org/frameset.htm...
NOTE: Click on The Companion Bible in the 1st sentence then a frame to the left pops up, then click acts and click the little arrows to get to acts 8:29.
THIS IS THE EXACT BIBLE THAT I HAVE, YET Mr. Hebrewsunite claims that on this page in verse 29 it says "And the Angel". Whose telling the truth now?

My PROOF:
I have "The Companion Bible produced by the Kregel Publications originally published in 1922. Page 1597
in the left Column in verse 29 it says "Then the Spirit.... NOTE: In the right column in Bullinger's NOTES for verse 29, he has this "Then=And. the Spirit(i.e. the angel)

I also have the 1611 KJV Bible produced by Hendrickson Publishing Marketing, fourth printing. http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-Version-Bond...

This book doesn't have page nos because it is a photocopy of the orginal 1611 edtion printing. At Acts 8:29 it says "Then the Spirit saide vnto Philp, Goee neere...." YES THIS OLD ENGLISH.

My friend THE MESSENGER told Philip to go South. When Philip finally got SOUTH, then THE SPIRIT sent Philip to the man in the chariot.

I dare say that even this will not cause you to re-state what you said, even though it is WRITTEN IN BLACK AND WHITE.

NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU SLICE it The SPIRIT sent Philip,a evangelist, according to Acts 8:29.

NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU SLICE it The SPIRIT sent Paul and Barnabas who were evangelist, according to Acts 13:4.
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I just read this again and thought about it. I'd like for you to expound on the paragraph above. Is there ONE MAN currently given the authority to sanctify the water to baptize all the people of the world or several MEN? How does the MAN/MEN receive the authority to sanctify the water and baptize in the name of The Creator?
BTW regarding UHOP videos and literature it is closely guarded for a reason. The UHOP has sued the True Grace Memorial church in Philadelphia several times because they are in possession of lots of recordings and videos of Grace. Bottom line is the things that the men said that the church wants to hide they simply make it go away. All of Grace's handwritten letters were not printed and sent to the churches; some were omitted purposely.
How many people baptized in the day of Paul, Peter, and Silas? Many. I'm not foolish to think that the GOD of Heaven has ONLY 1 MAN doing HIS will in this day.

How does one receive the authority? Look at John the Baptizer. Look at the Apostle Paul. The Almighty does not change; the SAME WAY HE sent back in that day, HE does today because HE said in HIS word that HE does NOT CHANGE; meaning HE HIMSELF does not change; HIS ways are THE SAME.

The reason they sued the other organization is not becuse the held video etc. It is because they claimed that Bishop Grace was the founder of their organization. It is legal to have copies of the uhop literature, video, etc. It is what you do with. There are copyright laws that must be abided to if the video/literature is copyrighted.

Your links/statements/accusations/a sserations do not contradict out of Grace's OWN MOUTH. Bishop Grace gave HONOR to the GOD OF HEAVEN and HIS Son.
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I think I'll pass on that one dear friend LOL. Excellent responses BTW, very enlightening.
UHOP Believer here's a great video for you. These are the church Elders, the leaders of the people. Keep in mind they are singing this in the streets representing the organization.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Now how do relay this message to all of your other brothers and sister of the BODY that are not members of the UHOP?
I like that video too. I DO GIVE MY FELLOW BROTHERS in the Gospel much love. I would tell them keep singing.... BTW, that wasn't the only song they were sing that day.

My friend, 1 song doesn't define the message which I relay to fellow members of the BODY OF CHRIST. The BODY OF CHRIST is not defined by a song/a bishop/preacher. The BODY as you call it is defined BY THE ONE who is he HEAD. I relate to THE BODY of CHRIST by the MESSAGE of THE HEAD.
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I like this one UHOP Believer:
Bishop McCollough from Washington, DC April 9, 1963 Third Paragraph:
"When the body of Sweet Daddy Grace went to sleep, many thought that it was finished, but that same spirit of Christ that caused Jesus to rise caused Sweet Daddy Grace to be resurrected and come forth in another body.
There came a time that I too was crucified."
I guess you'll tell me I lack understanding again.
I'm not going to tell you what you lack. But let's see if this is a unbiblical statement.

The question is:
Can the spirit of a prophet come in the Person and/or rest on another prophet. What do i say: YES and a DOUBLE YES!

Let see what the Book say....
Malachi 4:5 (KJV) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the (YaHuAH)LORD.

Remember, Elijah is sleeping in the grave when this occurred just like Grace was sleeping when McCollough said that.

The Mashiach's disciples asked HIM "Why do the Scribes say that Elijah must come first". READ THIS: The Messiah spoke and said Elijah did come. Did you hear what the Mashiach said.

Ask youself a question, how did Elijah come? The answer is the SAME WAY how McCollough could say what he said concerning Grace at that time.

I will tell you how Elijah came: HE CAME IN THE SPIRIT. The Messiah said.
Matthew 17:12 (KJV) But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not...
Luke 1:17 (KJV) And JOHN shall go before him(THE MESSIAH) IN THE SPIRIT AND POWER OF ELIAS...

Did you hear what the prophets said?

You may not believe one should say such a statement. But a child of the prophet can. Daddy McCollough was not only a child of the prophets, but he was a prophet himself; and truly when Grace was called to rest the SAME POWER and SPIRIT that dwelt in Daddy Grace, which is the Spirit of CHRIST, dwelt in Daddy McCollough. Is this not what Daddy McCollough WROTE and SAID?

Just as the Mashiach was NOT TALKING ABOUT a physical resurrection, so too was Daddy McCollough NOT TALKING ABOUT a physical resurrection.

And the reason I know Daddy McCollough is a prophet is because his WORKS BEAR WITNESS and speak for him that he was sent from the One on High.

If that is not enough, when Elisha picked up the mantle of Elijah to continue the work. The Scripture say he smote the waters, something only one who is sent from on High could do.
Then, what did the CHILDREN of the Prophets say:
2 Kings 2:15 (KJV) 15 And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The SPIRIT OF ELIJAH doth REST ON Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him.

You have to be a child/son of the prophets to UNDERSTAND and BELIEVE this concept of the spirit of another prophet resting and abiding on another.

And look, what did the children of the prophets do when they saw this? They met him and BOWED themselves to the ground before him. You may find a fault with that, but the thing is they didn't bow down to him because they thought Elisha was the Father from on High; though one may conclude that if they look from a natural eye. One might think that these children of the prophets worshipped a man; when in fact they did not.
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I think UHOP_Beliver's goal is to bombard you with words and scenarios that have nothing to do with the actual topic and evade the question until you just throw you hands up and say..........Oh, never mind!!

I must admit........ it worked on me; I'm tired of reading his craziness.
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And look, what did the children of the prophets do when they saw this? They met him and BOWED themselves to the ground before him. You may find a fault with that, but the thing is they didn't bow down to him because they thought Elisha was the Father from on High; though one may conclude that if they look from a natural eye. One might think that these children of the prophets worshipped a man; when in fact they did not.
You and I have been down the Elijah/Elisha road. It's the same propaganda that they published in the UHOP Truth and Facts. When McCollough took over they went through great lengths to establish that he was Grace reincarnated because the machine knew that the people were not going to accept another man. So in order to "convince" the people they pulled the Elijah/Elisha rabbit out of the hat. To an untrained ear you sound like you know what youíre talking about. No one that reads this that reads the scripture is going to go for it.

Truth and Facts 1968 page 32 Reincarnation of the Spirit of Christ: Last two paragraphs

ďAnd as the Christ-Spirit of Elijah was reincarnated into Elisha, the same Spirit of Christ possessed by Sweet Daddy Grace was reincarnated into Daddy McCollough.

This transformation was not only spiritual; it was also physical, for Sweet Daddy McCollough looks like Sweet Daddy Grace; he walks like Daddy; he talks like Daddy; he has and is carrying out all the principles as set up for this Kingdom by Sweet Daddy Grace. He is more than a Bishopóhe is Sweet Daddy GRACE McCollough.Ē

Listen brother this is not about finding fault. Let's just say we accept your "explanation". I'm too tired to dispute it biblically right now because you were all over the place. IF that be the case with the spirit going from prophet to prophet since you don't believe Bailey is the one, WHERE IS THE SPIRIT NOW? You extracted one instance; it happened ONE TIME. Youíre now trying to apply it to the ďtransformationĒ from Grace to McCollough but itís interesting that you didnít say the same happened from McCollough to Madison.

Daddy McCollough didnít like people calling him Sweet Daddy Grace McCollough and eventually it was done away with. However, he was smart enough to do what it took to get the people to accept him as a prophet in the beginning. If heís sent from GOD thereís NO need for anyone to elect him. Who ELECTED Paul, Peter, and John?

BTW please explain how CHRIST spirit was in Elijah and Elisha OT prophets according to the Truth and Facts. Iím okay with you believing whatever YOU want to believe because I know deep down that you know better. You can make an informed decision. However, if you go on a public forum like this board twisting the word to defend your belief I will debate with you all day so that others can make an informed decision on what to believe and what not to believe.
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I think UHOP_Beliver's goal is to bombard you with words and scenarios that have nothing to do with the actual topic and evade the question until you just throw you hands up and say..........Oh, never mind!!
I must admit........ it worked on me; I'm tired of reading his craziness.
OR you are absolutely correct. The problem that UHOP Believer doesn't understand is that I enjoy reading and writing as a hobby so this is therapeutic for me. He's helping me through a very difficult time in my life and he doesn't even know it so I actually look forward to his shenanigans. The upside to it is that there are people reading this that are being enlightened to information they had no idea existed. They've only heard it from a perspective of those like UB.
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I like that video too. I DO GIVE MY FELLOW BROTHERS in the Gospel much love. I would tell them keep singing.... BTW, that wasn't the only song they were sing that day.
My friend, 1 song doesn't define the message which I relay to fellow members of the BODY OF CHRIST. The BODY OF CHRIST is not defined by a song/a bishop/preacher. The BODY as you call it is defined BY THE ONE who is he HEAD. I relate to THE BODY of CHRIST by the MESSAGE of THE HEAD.
Stop babbling and explain how any church can sing a song declaring that "GOD DON'T USE BUT ONE MAN"? This one song may not define the message but it certainly is a telling SUMMARY or synapsis of what is really taught.

I give you credit you are a heck of a debator even though most of what you say lacks any substance relative to the topics at hand. You'd make a great politician or lawyer. Switch careers if you already aren't in either of those two....

Just tell the truth that the UHOP believes that GOD only uses ONE man to spread the gospel to ALL NATIONS. Just admit it and I'll leave you alone.

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