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The body of Bishop S.C. 'Sweet Daddy' Madison -- only the third leader in the 89-year-history of the United House of Prayer for All People -- will lie in state Thursday night at the denomination's palatial N.C. ...

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Scales Off

United States

#7906 May 5, 2014
Oneforthought wrote:
Ok. Now I know the circus will start it's show in the morning. Please folks when you entertain this person's questions, please don't forget about mines as well. I'll be waiting for my answers. I want to learn something from you educated folks on here...:-)
I examined your thoughts and your personality carefully. I will answer all of your questions but before I do, I would like to ask of you, what is your g-class number and what is your auxiliaries f-class number?

Oh and btw the question of Jesus dying? Hmmmm. Try this one.

Romans 5:8-11

According to the Greek (Caucasians) scriptures try to understand what is happening here. God had denounced his creations. And Christ blood was to bring man in Favor of God.

This is how you were saved. You were saved from God destroying man from the earth, you were not saved from your wretched ways. You still have a life to live and life to be judged.

In short your species was saved not you personally. Your personal self has to be proven. How can you prove yourself when you can't defend your faith with facts and proof.

Therefore, you are not saved.

I know you don't believe this. But if you don't believe this, what is the revival for? Hmmm

Every man shall be judged. Even your precious,sugar, loving, honey, darling, daddies.

What will you do when you go to heaven thinking one of your daddy's will be there to vouch for you and they are sitting on the Hell-bound train waiting on others to board.

What will you say when God say you don't even know my name. I can't let you in here! And you say it's daddy! All along trying to use your trickery of the daddy spirit.
And he say to you hebrewsunite told you my name and you thought it was better to call me what you slave masters told your forefathers what my name is.

We take nothing lightly on this board for we are all educated and know much more than what the HOP taught us. In fact we were listening when they told us to study so you can defend your faith.

This is what awaken us. As the mighty cultastic told you. The HOP is an organization not a faith. The lie over lie over lie is what awaken us. We tried to defend that false religion through our studies only to find that it was false.

Thank the Supreme Being for allowing me to see hence the name Scales Off.

Oh by the way, you damn right our lives has improved. Tremendously. The almighty has blessed me and others hand over fist. I can say I want for nothing. It is not my job to itemize God's blessings. Therefore I shall not. But I will tell you. My bloodlines are set.
Oneforthought

Philadelphia, PA

#7908 May 5, 2014
Scales Off wrote:
<quoted text>
I examined your thoughts and your personality carefully. I will answer all of your questions but before I do, I would like to ask of you, what is your g-class number and what is your auxiliaries f-class number?
Oh and btw the question of Jesus dying? Hmmmm. Try this one.
Romans 5:8-11
According to the Greek (Caucasians) scriptures try to understand what is happening here. God had denounced his creations. And Christ blood was to bring man in Favor of God.
This is how you were saved. You were saved from God destroying man from the earth, you were not saved from your wretched ways. You still have a life to live and life to be judged.
In short your species was saved not you personally. Your personal self has to be proven. How can you prove yourself when you can't defend your faith with facts and proof.
Therefore, you are not saved.
I know you don't believe this. But if you don't believe this, what is the revival for? Hmmm
Every man shall be judged. Even your precious,sugar, loving, honey, darling, daddies.
What will you do when you go to heaven thinking one of your daddy's will be there to vouch for you and they are sitting on the Hell-bound train waiting on others to board.
What will you say when God say you don't even know my name. I can't let you in here! And you say it's daddy! All along trying to use your trickery of the daddy spirit.
And he say to you hebrewsunite told you my name and you thought it was better to call me what you slave masters told your forefathers what my name is.
We take nothing lightly on this board for we are all educated and know much more than what the HOP taught us. In fact we were listening when they told us to study so you can defend your faith.
This is what awaken us. As the mighty cultastic told you. The HOP is an organization not a faith. The lie over lie over lie is what awaken us. We tried to defend that false religion through our studies only to find that it was false.
Thank the Supreme Being for allowing me to see hence the name Scales Off.
Oh by the way, you damn right our lives has improved. Tremendously. The almighty has blessed me and others hand over fist. I can say I want for nothing. It is not my job to itemize God's blessings. Therefore I shall not. But I will tell you. My bloodlines are set.
C'mon son, you posted that already. Answer something else already
Cultastic

Washington, DC

#7909 May 5, 2014
@GODS_FRIEND

Let me ask you a question. Did Grace ever establish American citizenship legally?

He operated in a system of law where corruption was huge in the justice system. Money could buy anything; then you add his affiliation with Masonry and you have the formula for why he got away with breaking the law the way he did. It had nothing to do with a GOD protecting him because he was "holy".

The man at one time sold life insurance. He hooked up with a buddy of his (non-UHOP) and started his company. Now you'll be able to find proof of that easily. Here's what you won't be able to find documented proof of. His members would die and he would simply say I'll take care of the costs of the funeral. They were largely unlearned and mostly illiterate so they didn't understand most of the contracts they signed. They trusted Grace. They were just happy they didn't have to come out of pocket for the funeral expenses. They thought he was doing them a favor. Well let's say the funeral expenses was $2,000 and the policy was worth $5,000 who do you think got the remaining $3,000 on all of those dead members? Now you'll say prove it with documentation. I'll venture to believe that you didn't even know he was selling insurance.

I can give you several scams that were run with the money. Unfortunately you're conditioned to believe that it can't be true because it's not in black in white. Listen I'll give you a simple hint. First of all the loop hole is they didn't steal it. You gave it to them. You also gave them complete authority over the finances of the organization. Any time it was proposed that there be a board of trustees to review the monies in the General Assembly it was always vetoed. Now common sense tells you why that was. There's no honor amongst thieves. They don't know who to trust.

You can't prove that Grace's hair was burned on the ship and that's why he came here but you believe that mess. Michael Jackson burned his hair and it never grew back properly. Yet every picture you see of Grace he had long hair until he started balding in his later years.

My aunt and your beloved Bishop Dee Madison were best friends. Unfortunately she met an untimely death but the Creator allowed her time on this earth to share intimate truths about the entire situation. I may not be 100% accurate about all facts regarding what I've stated. However, I'm willing to bet I'm with in a finger tip distance of what's really going on.
Gee-Tee

AOL

#7910 May 5, 2014
GODS_FRIEND wrote:
I would like for any of you to show proof where our Leader is stealing money? Now if you were members before, youíd know that the houses, cars, etcÖthat the Bishop rides in, resides in, etcÖARE PROPERTY OF THE ORGANIZATION. There arenít their personal property. So please someone show me proof where you can prove they were stealing? When Daddy Grace passed, he owed the Government over 3 million in past taxes, if he was stealing money from previous members, he would have had enough money to pay his taxes. Everything he had, he left to THIS ORGANIZATION because it was the PROPERTY OF THE ORGANIZATION.
Are you purposely ignoring the facts we have stated or you just donít what to believe them, so Iíll tell you again. The Government did not tax the UHOP for taxes they owed, they taxed Grace personal property. Those properties were in Grace Name only. The UHOP paid Grace Debt.

If these cars and houses are own by the UHOP, can the members that paid for the cars ride in them or live in those empty houses.

I have asked you to explain your statement QUOTE: A Sacrifice is something that is given unto GOD, not to men. Yet you wonít because it defies everything you say. None of the money given in the UHOP is going to God, its going to Puffy. And yes he is stealing it. Heís not doing anything to make your life better.
God donít put burdens on its people, Man does.

With the amount of people losing jobs, homes, etc, all Puffy can do is raise the stakes. Itís not good enough for you to give him 2,000 dollars; he wants you to give it every time he comes to your state, for what?

Why does a Church need with all this money, and donít say for the up keep. You and I both know the decay these Churches are in.

If you notice Scales off repeated his post, then notice the other questions that were put to you.
Christ Is The Answer

Fort Washington, MD

#7911 May 5, 2014
Cultastic wrote:
@GODS_FRIEND let me clean up something for you from my last message. I have a close relationship with a few victims that were sexually molested by Brother Grace..
Just let me remind you that your relatives are not the only ones who were molested by Bishop CM Grace,(at age 13) with Delores Beale Madison, escorting us (his maids) into his bedroom, one by one.
Gee-Tee

Brooklyn, NY

#7912 May 5, 2014
Cultastic wrote:
@GODS_FRIEND

The man at one time sold life insurance. He hooked up with a buddy of his (non-UHOP) and started his company. Now you'll be able to find proof of that easily. Here's what you won't be able to find documented proof of. His members would die and he would simply say I'll take care of the costs of the funeral. They were largely unlearned and mostly illiterate so they didn't understand most of the contracts they signed. They trusted Grace. They were just happy they didn't have to come out of pocket for the funeral expenses. They thought he was doing them a favor. Well let's say the funeral expenses was $2,000 and the policy was worth $5,000 who do you think got the remaining $3,000 on all of those dead members? Now you'll say prove it with documentation. I'll venture to believe that you didn't even know he was selling insurance.
The sad part about that Insurance, a lot of people lost their money who invested in it when they went out of business. Some people didnít even know their policy was no good until someone died. They wonít talk about that one, another one of Graces schemes.
Gee-Tee

Brooklyn, NY

#7913 May 6, 2014
Christ Is The Answer wrote:
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Just let me remind you that your relatives are not the only ones who were molested by Bishop CM Grace,(at age 13) with Delores Beale Madison, escorting us (his maids) into his bedroom, one by one.
The way he sounds like so what it happen, get over it. It happened to a lot of people, they should be happy Grace found them worthy. The UHOP donít want Graces dirty laundry to be told. Its UHOP business only, "he has close friends that were victims", yet he still feel the need to defend and call these men Holy.
Lorenzo

Melbourne, FL

#7914 May 6, 2014
No one here will ever defend what happened in Daddy Graces lifetime that was wrong. But we must acknowledge that all of us have done wrong. Yes eepverybone of us is a sinner. But by Gods grace are we saved. I live my life in no judgment of any one else. That does not excuse bad behavior by others but it allows me to live in the now, which is all we have. Daddy Grace is dead. And if God is God, he was held to account for his mis deeds. But I also must acknowledge that he helped to save a lot if people and gave folk hope. My family can acknowledge the bad and still see the good in him. I know my message about moving on will not move many of you but I just had to say this. I am dealing with now. Daddy Bailey and Mrs Madison. They are going to be held accountable for this mess. And these are right now actions not hearsay and innuendo. #SpreadSomeLoveToday #LetsGoHeat
Cultastic

Washington, DC

#7915 May 6, 2014
Christ Is The Answer wrote:
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Just let me remind you that your relatives are not the only ones who were molested by Bishop CM Grace,(at age 13) with Delores Beale Madison, escorting us (his maids) into his bedroom, one by one.
Trust me I completely understand. That is one of the reasons I don't mind being the voice and face for the countless victims. We call ourselves "Christians" but they want sisters like yourself and Gee-Tee to go sit in the corner and be quiet while we sound the trumpets and horns of praise literally for a known pedophile. I make no apologies to those that get offended by that statement. They certainly couldn't give a care about y'all. Then have the nerve to say "we love everybody".

People will say all the time: "Well we know it's true but what can we do about it now Grace is gone." Yeah but Dee is here and many other Ministers that know the truth. The money is still here. How about pay some retribution. Be honorable, own up to it.... Don't get me started this morning.

Be blessed my sister....
Scales Off

United States

#7916 May 6, 2014
Lorenzo wrote:
No one here will ever defend what happened in Daddy Graces lifetime that was wrong. But we must acknowledge that all of us have done wrong. Yes eepverybone of us is a sinner. But by Gods grace are we saved. I live my life in no judgment of any one else. That does not excuse bad behavior by others but it allows me to live in the now, which is all we have. Daddy Grace is dead.#LetsGoHeat
I do not think you can discount the history.

Let me pose a question to you. Would you agree with the countless white folk that say "you people need to get over slavery. I didn't put you in shackles. Besides, smile you have black president."

How would that make you feel? Let's be serious you can't move forward until you have understood the past. Ignoring what was, you are bound to repeat once more.

" the man who has no sense of history, is like a man who has no ears or eyes". Adolf Hitler.

Lorenzo we cannot forget the past, nor can we ignore the present and the future for they go hand in hand. It's true about the bad daddies and because most are afraid to trust and believe in God they will not break their bondage with the hop religion.

Let me say this, the people of the hop is like the Hebrews of Israel. They were slaves in Kemet for 400 years and had no relationship with the supreme being. So when he finally let them out of Kemet. They did not know how to worship him because they had been worshipping the osirian religion. Therefore, they needed a golden calf to worship. Why did they choose a calf.

Because the calf was a representation of Hathor of the Egyptian religion and this is to whom they wanted to serve and tell others that it represented God.

Hathor was the goddess of music, dance, foreign lands and fertility who helped women in childbirth. Given the circumstances the people was in when they were in The desert. They relied upon this diety to soothe them while they were lost.

Likewise the people of the hop needed a figure to represent God so they created Daddy. Because they never knew God and this was their way In showing a relationship with God. The God they knew was the God their slave masters told them about. So the poor post slavery men and women was not going to let their oppressors God be their religion so they made Grace into what he was subconsciously, because they wanted to believe they had a God that was different from their oppressor.

And their god was called Daddy. And so all present hop members come from this same systems. Your God is Daddy. Do not be afraid to admit that because it is in black and white. Show no offense to not knowing God, but admit your truth that your god is Daddy. Admit it. For he is the one that saves you and the whole world! Call on your god Daddy and I will stand like Elisha and call on my God, El YHVH

There is no explanation for the replacing of Gods name in the hymns and songs that are sung in the Hop. At no time can you pray to a man. But you all call out the name of daddy when you are In trouble. You have more faith in the god Daddy than you do in the Alimighty God.

Being a former brainwashee, I can affirm that you do not know God because he is in after thought compared to the god Daddy.
Scales Off

United States

#7917 May 6, 2014
Oneforthought wrote:
<quoted text>
C'mon son, you posted that already. Answer something else already
I answered something else have you not read it.
Cultastic

Washington, DC

#7918 May 6, 2014
Lorenzo wrote:
No one here will ever defend what happened in Daddy Graces lifetime that was wrong. But we must acknowledge that all of us have done wrong. Yes eepverybone of us is a sinner.

They are going to be held accountable for this mess. And these are right now actions not hearsay and innuendo.#SpreadSomeLoveToday #LetsGoHeat
"No one here will ever defend what happened in Daddy Graces lifetime that was wrong. But we must acknowledge that all of us have done wrong. Yes eepverybone of us is a sinner."

^^^ You started on the wrong love highway immediately my brother from the first two lines of your post. You're saying we don't defend his actions. Then you turn right around and drive backwards saying but who is perfect. My great negro brother if your butt did what he was doing you'd be right in jail. Aint no GOD or Jesus in the world that could have saved you. The only thing that saved him was your ancestors money and the blind trust of your unlearned ancestors. Even if you don't deny you only acknowledge it privately. Do you understand how many families to this day are all but devastated and destroyed because of his actions? Grace took his own life and all of the souls of his victims right with him only to be forgotten while he's still honored.

Logan Circle is a national landmark. Which means it will stand forever. Do you know how many victims innocence was taken in that house? Who the heck cares if he was a sinner that's a mute point. Telling the truth has nothing to do with judgment. I hate when organized religious sisters and brothers use that cliche to get out of facing the truth. I bet you wouldn't turn the other cheek if it were your mother, sister, or grandmother. You'd have a completely different outlook on the subject; whether the victimizer was dead or alive. I'm not saying you would go spit on the man's grave but you would at least expect all of his children to be sympathetic to his victims and all of the countless love children conceived because of his actions.

For the record Grace's actions are not hearsay or innuendo it's easily proven. If you think for one second that he was the only Daddy that had closed door skeletons you're sadly mistaken my brother. I don't say as much about the others for a myriad of reasons but trust me it's like an onion. The more layers you pull back the more your eyes will tear.
Cultastic

Washington, DC

#7919 May 6, 2014
Scales Off wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not think you can discount the history.
Let me pose a question to you. Would you agree with the countless white folk that say "you people need to get over slavery. I didn't put you in shackles. Besides, smile you have black president."
How would that make you feel? Let's be serious you can't move forward until you have understood the past. Ignoring what was, you are bound to repeat once more.
" the man who has no sense of history, is like a man who has no ears or eyes". Adolf Hitler.
Lorenzo we cannot forget the past, nor can we ignore the present and the future for they go hand in hand. It's true about the bad daddies and because most are afraid to trust and believe in God they will not break their bondage with the hop religion.
Let me say this, the people of the hop is like the Hebrews of Israel. They were slaves in Kemet for 400 years and had no relationship with the supreme being. So when he finally let them out of Kemet. They did not know how to worship him because they had been worshipping the osirian religion. Therefore, they needed a golden calf to worship. Why did they choose a calf.
Because the calf was a representation of Hathor of the Egyptian religion and this is to whom they wanted to serve and tell others that it represented God.
Hathor was the goddess of music, dance, foreign lands and fertility who helped women in childbirth. Given the circumstances the people was in when they were in The desert. They relied upon this diety to soothe them while they were lost.
Likewise the people of the hop needed a figure to represent God so they created Daddy. Because they never knew God and this was their way In showing a relationship with God. The God they knew was the God their slave masters told them about. So the poor post slavery men and women was not going to let their oppressors God be their religion so they made Grace into what he was subconsciously, because they wanted to believe they had a God that was different from their oppressor.
And their god was called Daddy. And so all present hop members come from this same systems. Your God is Daddy. Do not be afraid to admit that because it is in black and white. Show no offense to not knowing God, but admit your truth that your god is Daddy. Admit it. For he is the one that saves you and the whole world! Call on your god Daddy and I will stand like Elisha and call on my God, El YHVH
There is no explanation for the replacing of Gods name in the hymns and songs that are sung in the Hop. At no time can you pray to a man. But you all call out the name of daddy when you are In trouble. You have more faith in the god Daddy than you do in the Alimighty God.
Being a former brainwashee, I can affirm that you do not know God because he is in after thought compared to the god Daddy.
Brother you dropped a bomb that time LOL..... Whoa I was taking it easy. This one is a tough act to follow. You know you don't get the Pastor's Offering when you tell the truth right.
Scales Off

United States

#7920 May 6, 2014
Cultastic wrote:
<quoted text>
Brother you dropped a bomb that time LOL..... Whoa I was taking it easy. This one is a tough act to follow. You know you don't get the Pastor's Offering when you tell the truth right.
Somebody might give me 5.00 dollars. Lol.
Scales Off

United States

#7921 May 6, 2014
Oneforthought wrote:
<quoted text>
C'mon son, you posted that already. Answer something else already
My dear brother. I have asked for your g-class number and your f-class number repeatedly. Why haven't you told what your numbers are?
Cultastic

Washington, DC

#7922 May 6, 2014
Dearest Lorenzo let me drop something in your universe for a brief moment.

This is how you acknowledge your father's behavior with humility and sincerity in love.

Dear Sisters @Gee-Tee and @Christ Is The Answer we are deeply troubled by learning of the malicious and inexcusable actions of our father. We had absolutely no idea that he was committing these crimes. Disappointment in his behaviors is an understatement. Although not comparable to what you have had to endure since your youth we feel like victims as well. We find it difficult to utter the words: "we apologize" because that does not cover the check for the damages done. However, that's the least we can say on behalf of our Daddy. We humbly ask you to forgive his children and those before us that allowed this to happen. We offer what little we have in love even if it's just a listening ear; or to just say we believe you. If it be your will let us begin the healing process together. If there is anything we can do please let us know. We love you.

^^^Not once did I use the words GOD, judge, sin or anything of the likeness. The GOD of Grace was the one that allowed him to do what he did. So why in the holy smoked ham hock would I use that. GOD aint had nothing to do with what happened to them sisters. GOD is not that evil or at least he shouldn't be and if he is then you can keep that one. Like brother @Scales_Off said if you don't know your history your bound to repeat the same mistakes. The state of affairs in the UHOP is nothing more than a repeat of what every man that has sat in that seat has done. It doesn't necessarily have to be the sexual deception. we're talking about. We're talking about the misuse of power and GOD to mentally enslave generations of black people. Please don't respond with other preachers have done it. They're wrong too so spare us that justification.

Without you they would be absolutely nothing. Did GOD create Daddy or did man create Daddy?
Lol

Newport News, VA

#7923 May 6, 2014
Number one tie. Lmao
Cultastic

Washington, DC

#7924 May 6, 2014
Scales Off wrote:
<quoted text>
Somebody might give me 5.00 dollars. Lol.
Stand up in there and tell the truth and your pastor's offering will disappear faster than a pick pocket thief in a NYC subway. On the contrast get up there and yell and scream at people about obeying Brother Bailey and the windows of heaven will open up so that there will not be room enough to receive the money, I mean meat for the storehouse. No I mean money or something like that LOL
Scales Off

United States

#7925 May 6, 2014
Amazing grace.

Let's witness how trickery and deceit has plagued us as a people throughout time.

I want to share for those who do not know that john Newton was an atheist who did not believe in God. And he was the author of Amazing Grace.

John Newton was a captain in the Atlantic slave trade from 1748 to 1755. He had an incident on the ocean where his boat was almost capsized and he had a moment where he converted to Christianity.

Here is a African hating man, who wrote a maritime hymn about his encounter with God on the sea. Newton was so hateful to blacks that the white slave masters had compassion for the slaves that came off of his ship.

And black folks adopted their slave masters hymn.

Grace used this song to captivate his people, in fact made people think it was about him. Make no mistake, the well educated man knew about the origins of this song, but because he did not consider himself black he utilized blacks the very same way the slave masters did.

Come on people, let's stop drinking the kool aid and wake up and say for real? We really have been hoodwinked, ran-amuck, bamboozled.

All this propaganda for coins that turned into dollars that turned into hundreds that turned into thousands, that turned into hundreds Of thousand, that turned into millions, that turned into billions. WOW. And so many have no care about where there money goes and how it is used.

Mostly because they do no want to believe that this information is true. So some has stopped giving but continue to go because they don't know what to believe anymore.

I admit it can be scary but remember footsteps in the sand. When times got rough it was The Lord who was doing the walking not you, you were being carried.

Now we are ignorantly singing this song because we have no sense of history. Yet dear old @lorenzo would have you to not acknowledge history so that you can continue to be blind.

We can't do that. Your scales must fall off. You can't go on believing everything you hear. As the quotes goes believe NONE of what you hear and HALF of what you see.
Scales Off

United States

#7926 May 6, 2014
Cultastic wrote:
<quoted text>
Stand up in there and tell the truth and your pastor's offering will disappear faster than a pick pocket thief in a NYC subway. On the contrast get up there and yell and scream at people about obeying Brother Bailey and the windows of heaven will open up so that there will not be room enough to receive the money, I mean meat for the storehouse. No I mean money or something like that LOL
So true brother, so true.

The real truth is they are preaching about the god Daddy. That's the truth.

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