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There are 9681 comments on the www.topix.net story from Apr 7, 2008, titled United House of Prayer for All People: Bishop's body in Charlot.... In it, www.topix.net reports that:

The body of Bishop S.C. 'Sweet Daddy' Madison -- only the third leader in the 89-year-history of the United House of Prayer for All People -- will lie in state Thursday night at the denomination's palatial N.C. ...

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heart broken

Columbia, SC

#7441 Feb 9, 2014
Dearest Lorenzo,

You mentioned that the bishop bailey is mean bc he gets it from his mother. So are you making excuses for him being this way? Are you saying.this is acceptable? No man or woman is perfect but surely if a man who calls himself a man of God should behave as such. A man of God should practice love and be slow to anger. Remember God is Love. Again, no man is perfect. However, it doesn't take beating others, and using harsh words. Its about the life you live. How does he treat his children? How does he treat is wife? How does he treat everyone else?

You may have not been making excuses for this kind of behavior. Perhaps you were just stating facts..if this is the case, then im just giving an opinion in that particular subject.
3 Cheers for Daddy Grace

Hampton, VA

#7442 Feb 9, 2014
Question about the seminary???? Is it accredited ? Do the instructors/professors have credentials ? What college did they graduate from? Graduate in 2 weeks ? Do you have to have a high school education to attend?
Lorenzo

Melbourne, FL

#7443 Feb 9, 2014
I would never condone anyone being mean to anybody. Daddy Bailey included. My life has taught me that he has never been put in his place publicly and that meanness is also a cover for some of his short comings. My point in mentioning his mom is to shed light on his backround. I have been told that his father was a drunk back in the day as well. But a lot of folk drank back then I'm told.

If he ever attacked me like he has attacked so many others I would listen and stay clam, then when he finished I would have a come back that would shock him into getting nastier. The point would be to throw him off. It's like getting in to someone's head on the basketball court. They get rattled and lose their control. And then you just win. If someone would just stand up to him he would stop being a bully. Bullies hate fights. That's truth.
heart broken

Matthews, NC

#7444 Feb 9, 2014
Thanks for clearing that up. Bullies hate fights..that seems to be true. However, it balls down to fear, mind control, hatred..these things are not of the fruits of the spirit. If im not mistaken, GALATIONS 5:2 esv talks about the fruits of the spirit. Self control, kindness, love, joy etc...

If im not mistaken, Another scripture that comes to mind is Mathew 7:15 esv. Discusses to be aware of false prophets for they are known by the fruit they bare. Another scripture comes to mind is Galations 5:19 esv the acts of flesh.

Now the bishop reads his bible..why not start with recognizing those short comings, get in line with the word of God, get out of self and put Jesus before himself bc obviously when you try to do things your self, things crumble.


Lorenzo don't you agree?

Im just saying dear.
Gee-Tee

Brooklyn, NY

#7445 Feb 9, 2014
Lorenzo wrote:
Gee-Tee you logic is twisted. Lay out how 1 or even 2 people can stand up and change anything. Change never occurs from just a few. A few can start something but you need resources, money, and corage.
And I have continually asked you and others to provide us with the Perfect Church
Still waiting on those names of Great Perfect Churches that put the hop to shame. Come on Gee-Tee, help a brother or sister out.
I say thank you again for your input. This could not be a true forum if we couldn’t debate. But I told you before we are not looking for a perfect Church. We want the person that’s in charge of a Church to be accountable for theirs action. No one Man should control this many people accept God. Church should at least try for perfection; the UHOP is not even trying to change, its sin as usually.

Twisted or not, I do right from wrong. And if you see me as twisted I have the UHOP to thank for that.
Lorenzo

Melbourne, FL

#7446 Feb 9, 2014
We'll I know that God is love and love is perfect. The hop is a great church in spite of what is going on. Things will get better. That is my belief. It is not the Bishops fault. It is the fault of a lot of people. Lady D is principally responsible for this mess and she will have to give an account for destroying the hop. Whatever reason she had for choosing Daddy Bailey, the shame is he never thought to decline the offer. And Apostle Cunningham is making the same error. But how this all unravels is anyone's guess. I ain't waiting on some IRS takeover or any other rumored action. I am just believing in the God that is able to keep us from falling. In due time he will say, enough. And it will end. I am confident in that one thing. It will soon end.
Lorenzo

Melbourne, FL

#7447 Feb 9, 2014
Heartbroken you are 100% right. I just believe that he is blind to his actions. The bible is also full of words to be tough with others. But I interpret that to mean we are to be tough with love. And therein lies my issue. You have to read the word of a God in context. In Proverbs 29 it speaks of rulers that believe lies. And that their servants are evil. That's what we have. Evil instead of love. What a shame.
heart broken

Columbia, SC

#7448 Feb 10, 2014
1corinthians 13:4 talks about love. It explains the guidelines of love. How can you love but not be patient? How can you love but not be kind? According to the word, you cant. Lorenzo what does tough love mean to you? I agree that you must read in context. Remember,study thyself approved. However, some verses are very simple to understand.

What do you mean by tough love?

Perhaps im missing something.
Lorenzo

Melbourne, FL

#7449 Feb 10, 2014
Hebrew 12:6

Proverbs 27:6
MSD

Charlotte, NC

#7450 Feb 10, 2014
Good morning all,

Here is a good lesson to watch or listen to..

http://youtu.be/GSOQUsAGeSE

God Bless
heart broken

West Columbia, SC

#7451 Feb 10, 2014
@Lorenzo. Ok, I will check those out.
Eyes on Christ

Columbia, SC

#7452 Feb 10, 2014
Lorenzo wrote:
Still waiting on those names of Great Perfect Churches that put the hop to shame. Come on Gee-Tee, help a brother or sister out.
This is truly interesting….and welcome back, Lorenzo. The answer to finding out what Church is the perfect church is much simpler than people think. We don’t have to take a visit to different churches in our neighborhoods to determine who is giving more to the needy or which leader/pastor of the church is nicer. It’s a waste of time because this is not our source to base TRUTH by. Our source comes from that of Jesus by the way of Apostle Paul provided in the New Testament of God’s Holy Scriptures. This is where you will find the “Perfect” church. It’s not in your neighborhood or some special beautified building. Here’s the painless point that I’m referring: A true church or not is determined by searching the teachings and practices of the New Testament church. Of course, this is for believers of the Holy Scriptures that is. Read Acts 20:17-38 where Apos. Paul speaks to the leaders in Ephesus, telling them that false teachers will not only come to them but will come from AMONGST them.(That’s found in verses 29-30) With much more studying, we realize that maybe Apostle Paul was not so much set on following the First church to stay within the truth…but rather he was more focus and driven to make people understand how to PROTECT God’s word and PROTECT the truth of his Grace. What does this equate to: Freedom through the word of God is a PRIVILEGE, and Apos. Paul warns that there will be false teachers who will purposely “enslave” you, and in order to escape, you must know who God is and how His Grace works!!!!! This is how you start making your way to the real true church.
Let me expound more on how important it is to depend on the scriptures as the “The TRUE LEADER”: Galatians 1:8-9…Apostle Paul continues to warn that even if it’s them (the chosen apostles) or an Angel comes down and preaches anything THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT FOUND IN THE SCRIPTURES, should be cursed. Simply put….right? Just follow the scriptures then you will have no problem following the perfect church. Now those who do…congregate accordingly. This is where change begins and puts the HOP to shame.
Scales off

Huntersville, NC

#7453 Feb 10, 2014
Married in wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for your insight into my inner self. The way you break it down just makes so much sense. I guess I'm hung up on the 10% tithing of the income part. Does that mean I'm obligated to spend 10% monthly, or do I give as I see fit and can afford. Like I told my husband (who still believes in the UHOP, but not necessarily in "the man, especially this man",) as I look around, I see children in need of things. I even bought 1 little boy a trumpet because he was so excited about the music and would constantly blow an imaginary horn. I said "I'm going to buy that boy a horn;" and I did. He was so happy when we gave it to him, he actually dropped to his knees." I see a need for some of the children to have help with their grooming and clothing. I've already chosen a little girl to buy some clothes, shoes, and toiletries for. But, I think a real church should have organizations within the overall organization for mentoring the children. I think there should be so much more within the church, advice for people with credit issues, exercise programs; so much more, and all they do is beg for money. It's so sad; it makes me sick. I appreciate everyones comments and your insight. I just want to be ok with God.
I agree with you and what should be offered. However, I want youbtonatop worrying about 10 percent.

That does not apply. In its most original state, tithing was that of your best meaning, mind, heart, talent, etc. not money. No one's money is their best. It what allowed them to aquire it is there best. And those are the things we should be sharing so all could be expose.
Scales off

Huntersville, NC

#7454 Feb 10, 2014
Crazy wrote:
Saint Married In!!!!!!! SHE QUALIFIES FOR BIG DADDYS CLUB!!!!!! GIVE HER A BADGE!!!!!!!!!! YAYYYYYYY! LOL FOH! SMDH!
all I know is if I pay 2000dollars for a piece of fabric I want everyone on this site to take turns shooting me the head. This is what I'm talking about common sense.

"The greatest gift to leaders is the people don't think". Adolf Hitler.

Think about that.
Scales off

Huntersville, NC

#7455 Feb 10, 2014
Lorenzo wrote:
Scales Off and others who are so put off by the hop, let's cut to the chase.
Daddy Bailey is the bishop off the hop because he was put there by Lady D. When Daddy Madison got mentally sick, she choose him as the senior minister and then it was just an automatic election. Btw, I can see them announcing Apostle Cunningham this year to that position.
As far as the money goes, we have no proof, but it appears to me that money was stolen and lost. By lost I mean either the money is frozen by the govt or was lost in the stock market. If Daddy Madison did spend $400 million, he had to have had at least $1.2 billion to start with. Daddy Bailey has spent virtually nothing in 5 years and the only plauseable reason is he has no money. These little minor renovations, which are mostly paint jobs, can easily be covered by the monthly income from real estate.
Also remember Daddy's Club was an accident. It was started in Charlotte by the pastors and it was only supposed to $1,000. When they met Dad at Derita one Saturday afternoon he went with the program and that night changed it to $2,000. My point is, Daddy Bailey did not think this up. He just went with the flow and made it work to his and Lady D's benefit.
Daddy Bailey is a mean man at times but always remember that he gets it from his mother. My grandmother worked with her as a band booster in Newport News and they had many arguments because ms dot was so mean. But the funny thing is that Dads brother David is on of the most gentle souls you would ever want to meet.
So continue to speak your truth but know that we are not brainwashed. If there was a way to force an audit of the church I would raise my hand and volunteer to put my name on that request. I have been told your need at least 8 people to request this. But who really thinks that there are 7 more people like me who would not be intimidated? My own mother, who had a chance to sue the hop 2 years ago backed down because she feared the backlash is gwh.
And stop with the bashing of pastors and elders. All of them are not out for your money. And most are not trying to sleep with every woman. Or man. There are bad apples in every church. Heck in every field of work, everywhere. I have found that most people help people out of there own pocket.
And please scales off no more delusional talk about you having conversations with Daddy Madison. He never would have said those things and if he did you should have enough respect to keep private conversations private. I once wrote him a letter seeking his help in resolving a matter with the general council, he wrote me back and told me what to do. And I did it. But the result was members of the council hating me. I could have pulled that letter he wrote me at any time over the past 18 years but it's private. And it is going to stay that way.
Why don't you all post some positive things about the perfect churches that you have found around the nation. And give us names and addresses. Not that I want to attack these houses of worship but rather that non of us imperfect join those places and then they wouldn't be perfect any more.
Acts 5
I mean no disrespect to you@ Lorenzo. But I do not go back and forth. I exaggerate nothing. There is nothing I tell that is a secret. And I have no secrets to hold in any privacy.

You ask me to keep that confidential to do what. To Not awaken the people that God wish to have awaken. Lorenzo. You are the true example of the matrix. You were awaken only to know the truth is ugly so now u wish to take the red pill so that you can go back to what you call bliss and I call ignorance. It's your choice sleep on my friend.

You can't honestly tell me you speak ill of Clarence but you uphold the hop. What is the hop without its bishops. I don't think you know enough about the hop or your belief system to spar with me.
Scales off

Huntersville, NC

#7456 Feb 10, 2014
heart broken wrote:
Thanks for clearing that up. Bullies hate fights..that seems to be true. However, it balls down to fear, mind control, hatred..these things are not of the fruits of the spirit. If im not mistaken, GALATIONS 5:2 esv talks about the fruits of the spirit. Self control, kindness, love, joy etc...
If im not mistaken, Another scripture that comes to mind is Mathew 7:15 esv. Discusses to be aware of false prophets for they are known by the fruit they bare. Another scripture comes to mind is Galations 5:19 esv the acts of flesh.
Now the bishop reads his bible..why not start with recognizing those short comings, get in line with the word of God, get out of self and put Jesus before himself bc obviously when you try to do things your self, things crumble.
Lorenzo don't you agree?
Im just saying dear.
Love it. What say you @ Lorenzo?
Heart Broken

Columbia, SC

#7457 Feb 10, 2014
@ Lorenzo to my understanding, Hebrew 12:6 discusses how the Lord chastens those that he loves. What this scripture is basically saying is that he disciplines those that he loves, or he sends trials and tribulations to his children. The Lord is our father, our guide. He corrects us when we are wrong. This of course is not to punish us or anger us though. If this was the case that would be a complete contradiction to the Lords character. Is this the kind of tough love you are speaking of?

Or are you speaking of the tough love that the bishop shows to his followers? Slapping others and/or tearing them down (physical abuse) in order to show them the error in their ways.

The difference between the "tough love" of the Lord and the "tough love" of the bishop is simple. The Lord's tough love is good for us,it makes us strong, it bring us closer to Him,(closer to Christ), and keeps us in line with HIS word.

The tough love of the bishop is mean, even appears to be vengeful. The repercussions of this kind of tough love backfires, it goes too far, it provokes anger among the people. It brings hurt, and shame, it hardens the heart, everything opposite of good. Yes...this is tough, but this isn't love.

The bible teaches us that fathers should not provoke their children to anger. If the bishop is your spiritual father @Lorenzo, I highly suggest you get a new one. I suggest Jesus. He makes a much better father. His yoke is much easier, and His burdens are light.

Again, I'm just saying dear.
Married in

Charlotte, NC

#7458 Feb 11, 2014
Scales off wrote:
<quoted text> all I know is if I pay 2000dollars for a piece of fabric I want everyone on this site to take turns shooting me the head. This is what I'm talking about common sense.
"The greatest gift to leaders is the people don't think". Adolf Hitler.
Think about that.
Amen! And, if I give someone $2,000 and they're riding in a car that costs over $1 million, and I'm scuffling to make payments on mine, just shoot me, too.
Married in

Charlotte, NC

#7459 Feb 11, 2014
Scales off wrote:
<quoted text>
I mean no disrespect to you@ Lorenzo. But I do not go back and forth. I exaggerate nothing. There is nothing I tell that is a secret. And I have no secrets to hold in any privacy.
You ask me to keep that confidential to do what. To Not awaken the people that God wish to have awaken. Lorenzo. You are the true example of the matrix. You were awaken only to know the truth is ugly so now u wish to take the red pill so that you can go back to what you call bliss and I call ignorance. It's your choice sleep on my friend.
You can't honestly tell me you speak ill of Clarence but you uphold the hop. What is the hop without its bishops. I don't think you know enough about the hop or your belief system to spar with me.
AND, once you're made aware of something that was previously unknown, and you proceed ahead as if blind, you're not ignorant anymore; you're stupid! Why would you continue to pour water in a bucket with a hole in it? It doesn't make sense. You have to close the hole before the water stops running out; i.e., if you leave the head broken (and in charge), how will the body get fixed.
Married in

Charlotte, NC

#7460 Feb 11, 2014
Scales off wrote:
<quoted text> I agree with you and what should be offered. However, I want youbtonatop worrying about 10 percent.
That does not apply. In its most original state, tithing was that of your best meaning, mind, heart, talent, etc. not money. No one's money is their best. It what allowed them to aquire it is there best. And those are the things we should be sharing so all could be expose.
Thank you.

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