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United House of Prayer for All People: Bishop's body in Charlot...

There are 10655 comments on the www.topix.net story from Apr 7, 2008, titled United House of Prayer for All People: Bishop's body in Charlot.... In it, www.topix.net reports that:

The body of Bishop S.C. 'Sweet Daddy' Madison -- only the third leader in the 89-year-history of the United House of Prayer for All People -- will lie in state Thursday night at the denomination's palatial N.C. ...

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Cultastic

Washington, DC

#7237 Dec 10, 2013
@Daddy Is Real

Let me first say I'm not a fan of the Roman Catholic church for several reasons. However, for ANY UHOP sister and brother that wants to discuss comparisons of Daddy to the Pope here's another article for you.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/03/1259... #

What would Daddy do?
Cultastic

Washington, DC

#7238 Dec 10, 2013
abc wrote:
<quoted text> its Crazy so why was bam in service
Let me see if I can break this down. Me visiting a service does not negate the facts about the faulty teachings that we've discussed. Maybe you could reason that I love my "Crazy" family and friends beyond religious beliefs enough to come to a building to fellowship with them "irrespective of my denomination of creed". <<< Read that carefully and check the source.

Dearest @abc asking questions like this confirms some of the main reasons people leave and completely distance themselves from their UHOP family and friends. What difference does it matter why I was in service? Do I really need a reason?
heart broken

Columbia, SC

#7239 Dec 10, 2013
Speaking of death..I just wanted to share something that I witnessed the other day. I agree that death is inevitable, we all will encounter it. After I got off of work the other day, I was on my way to the store, as I was coming back from the store, I was in traffic waiting to turn. As I was waiting, I noticed a truck beside me in reverse...it looked so out of place and weird. Then the next thing you know, the truck hit the car in back of it. I said oh my.gosh! I just witnessed an accident! I then looked at the driver and noticed that the driver had his head held down and he wasn't moving. I immediately got out my truck to go see about this man. The man was an older white man..had to be about 80 or older. I along with others opened his door to see if he would respond..no response! Someone out of nowhere says im calling 911. I then checked for a pulse...no pulse! I checked everywhere a pulse could be but no pulse! I watched this man turn about 3 different colors before the most strangest t thing happened. As I was holding this man's arm trying to comfort him...he out of nowhere took the biggest breath ive ever seen...me and those around me knew...it was his last breath. When the paramedics came, they tried to revive him, but they couldn't. He was gone. Come to found out the man was having a stroke.

You are right Cultastic. When its your time, is your time.
Eyes on Christ

Columbia, SC

#7240 Dec 10, 2013
Gee-Tee wrote:
<quoted text>
If you follow my posting its obvious you are not reading them with understanding so I will break it down again for you. Since you wanted to compare the Catholic Church with the UHOP lets see if they are equal.
The Catholics have Day Cares, Schools, Colleges, Hospitals, Nursing Homes, Housing, Shelters, Soup Kitchens, Food Banks, Clothing Drive, Blood Banks, Free Transportation Buses, Private Car Service, Counseling for Drug Abuse, Alcohol Abuse, Marriages Counseling, Parenting, Sex Counseling, Birth Control Counseling, Sickness Counseling, Credit Unions, Music Ministry, Youth and Children Programs, Religious Education, Community Service, Social Justice Programs, Outreach Programs, Bible Study, Care for Home Bound Sick Programs, Counseling for the Incarcerated.
The UHOP have Bishop Love offerings: New Years, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, Birthday, Father Day (And Puffy said don’t lump his offering together) Daddy’s Club, Offering for Dee, Offering for the First Lady, Tithes, Church Offering, Pastor Offering, Pastors Anniversary, Pastor Travels, Auxiliary Dues, Convocation Dues, Dinners for Sale, Grace Products for Sale, Grace Magazine for Sale, CD’s for Sale, Books for Sales, Raffle Tickets for Sale, Over Price Mortgages free Churches member can’t afford upkeep on. Apartment building in your Bishops name, Church Buses you pay to ride on. You pay for Uniforms for each club you’re on.
The way I see this, the Pope never have to go to Church in my book.
Got to love this!!!!
Crazy

Richmond, VA

#7241 Dec 10, 2013
@ Heartbroken That moment will stay with me for the rest of my life. I'm a tough brother but honestly I would have had to shed a few right there then ask God to take that man into his kingdom. wow
Eyes on Christ

Columbia, SC

#7242 Dec 10, 2013
Crazy wrote:
And don't forget GeeTee The Senior Queens #1 have Collard Green numbers for sale this Saturday. You get a to go box full of greens leftover from Thanksgiving for $10. Weez jus a buncha old ladies wit luttle edjukashun dat been wurkin fo daddy all our lyves and and ain't got nuttin to sho fo it but das alrite hunnychile cause weez gone bee blesed caus daddy Sade so and weez pleezin him and payin foe his balony samiches. ELIYAH GLOREE.
If this sounds like it slave then mission accomplished because it's modern day slavery. Sadly there are many HOP members especially the elderly that think this is all there is to life. Selling chicken wings fish etc. At least the Catholics can see where there money goes. Wake up people or at least crack an eye open and be watchful of everyone up front and sniff their game out.
I couldn't drink my punch in peace reading this. LOL!!!!!
Eyes on Christ

Columbia, SC

#7243 Dec 10, 2013
Cultastic wrote:
<quoted text>
Darn I had on my sunglasses I was hoping I was invisible LOL. I appreciate the love though. In fact I even shoveled some snow from in front of the church so that no one would fall walking out the door.
Let me clarify I'm not against the UHOP. I don't subscribe to any organized church. I don't believe that I need to go to a church building to validate my relationship with the Creator. I've grown in my spiritual progression beyond a circe. Not that I have to justify; I came because I was lovingly invited by my family to honor my mother. It's not that I miss the UHOP so much that I just couldn't stay away. I'll ask you a few simple questions. The name says: FOR ALL PEOPLE correct? Do I need a reason to visit? Do I have to believe or agree with Daddy to visit? Do I have to be a member to visit?
"The purpose of the organization is to establish, maintain, and perpetuate the doctrine of Christianity and the Apostolic Faith throughout the world among all people; to erect and maintain houses of prayer and worship where all people may gather for prayer and to worship the Almighty GOD in Spirit and in Truth, irrespective of denomination or creed, and to maintain the Apostolic Faith of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."~~Article II UHOP Constitution and By-Laws 1929
^^^ Read that very carefully. I won't expound. I'll allow you to come to your own conclusions about what this language written by Brother Grace SHOULD mean. I can intellectually discuss the doctrines and beliefs of the UHOP as an ex-member better than many of the active members. I'm not the smartest man but doesn't "ALL People" include me? If not then the name can be amended to ALL PEOPLE as long as you do what Daddy says. All People means exactly what it says. Therefore, I urge you not to over think it if you see me or any other ex-members in the building.
AGAPE
Well stated with a nice attitude. It's puzzling that this characteristic (Gods spirit of self control/forbearance) remains to be rejected from the inside. You can clearly see that these are the characteristics of good; however, just because you disagree with a proven-wrong doctrine, you/us are painted as the anti-christ. Harsh word...I know. But these were the actual words used in the bishop's communication. That's why I'm glad the God can judge the heart. He is the only one that is able to judge the heart, because humans make too many mistakes and misjudge and cause others to join the circle of misjudging as well.
Gee-Tee

Brooklyn, NY

#7244 Dec 10, 2013
Also take inconsideration, The Catholics PAY their Organist, their Music Directors, their Secretaries, their Trusties, their Cooks, and their Janitors. They supply Bibles and Hymn Books for every pew. And Most of all none of their Priest ever has to wonder were they will live. They even protect and forgive their worst sinners.(The Mob)

The Money that is collected is use to take care of all their Churches needs. If their Missions don’t have enough Money to cover their expenses it comes from the Vatican. No Money pressure is put on the people. In other words they don’t have to sell their souls in order to please the Bishop.

In one given night Puffy can collect at lease 200.00 or more in dollar bills. You may have five or more groups singing. He gives each leader one dollar. In this inflation time why won’t he give each person in that group a dollar? Do the math, 5 divided by 200.00 means Puffy had an extra 195.00 to play with. On top of that you give him a love offering. Now add in the Money that you give to have him bless your child.

You still want to compare the UHOP with the Catholics.
Christ Is The Answer

Fort Washington, MD

#7245 Dec 10, 2013
Cultastic wrote:
<quoted text>
Darn I had on my sunglasses I was hoping I was invisible LOL. I appreciate the love though. In fact I even shoveled some snow from in front of the church so that no one would fall walking out the door.
Let me clarify I'm not against the UHOP. I don't subscribe to any organized church. I don't believe that I need to go to a church building to validate my relationship with the Creator. I've grown in my spiritual progression beyond a circe. Not that I have to justify; I came because I was lovingly invited by my family to honor my mother. It's not that I miss the UHOP so much that I just couldn't stay away. I'll ask you a few simple questions. The name says: FOR ALL PEOPLE correct? Do I need a reason to visit? Do I have to believe or agree with Daddy to visit? Do I have to be a member to visit?
"The purpose of the organization is to establish, maintain, and perpetuate the doctrine of Christianity and the Apostolic Faith throughout the world among all people; to erect and maintain houses of prayer and worship where all people may gather for prayer and to worship the Almighty GOD in Spirit and in Truth, irrespective of denomination or creed, and to maintain the Apostolic Faith of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."~~Article II UHOP Constitution and By-Laws 1929
^^^ Read that very carefully. I won't expound. I'll allow you to come to your own conclusions about what this language written by Brother Grace SHOULD mean. I can intellectually discuss the doctrines and beliefs of the UHOP as an ex-member better than many of the active members. I'm not the smartest man but doesn't "ALL People" include me? If not then the name can be amended to ALL PEOPLE as long as you do what Daddy says. All People means exactly what it says. Therefore, I urge you not to over think it if you see me or any other ex-members in the building.
AGAPE
There's no button for this response so allow me to say in a LOUD voice: PREACH!!! MY BROTHER ---....and NEVER stop!
Crazy

Richmond, VA

#7246 Dec 10, 2013
I always thought that was crazy to take a dollar from the babies 6 weeks to 6 years. Brainwash them early . Sorry, I meant train them early. &#128513;
Gee-Tee

Brooklyn, NY

#7247 Dec 10, 2013
Crazy wrote:
I always thought that was crazy to take a dollar from the babies 6 weeks to 6 years. Brainwash them early . Sorry, I meant train them early. &#128513;
This is where Common Sense came into play. One night a Parent forgot to put the Dollar in her child’s hand and McCollough said,“Where’s her dollar”. I knew then I had another reason to leave. The first thing came to my mind was maybe this Mother didn’t have a Dollar to give. Yet the Bishop thought he should ask.

So now I’m really thinking, is he going to pray for that child or not. It’s the greed that got on my nerve. We had to pay for everything, even a blessing.
deceivedlongenou gh

Columbia, SC

#7248 Dec 10, 2013
Gee-Tee wrote:
<quoted text>
This is where Common Sense came into play. One night a Parent forgot to put the Dollar in her child’s hand and McCollough said,“Where’s her dollar”. I knew then I had another reason to leave. The first thing came to my mind was maybe this Mother didn’t have a Dollar to give. Yet the Bishop thought he should ask.
So now I’m really thinking, is he going to pray for that child or not. It’s the greed that got on my nerve. We had to pay for everything, even a blessing.
Isn't DADDY supposed to be the one God reveal all his secrets to?? Ok, well then he should have KNOWN where the baby dollar was at right!! LMBO! Lord, the tom foolery that we once believed in!
abc

United States

#7249 Dec 10, 2013
Cultastic wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me see if I can break this down. Me visiting a service does not negate the facts about the faulty teachings that we've discussed. Maybe you could reason that I love my "Crazy" family and friends beyond religious beliefs enough to come to a building to fellowship with them "irrespective of my denomination of creed". <<< Read that carefully and check the source.
Dearest @abc asking questions like this confirms some of the main reasons people leave and completely distance themselves from their UHOP family and friends. What difference does it matter why I was in service? Do I really need a reason?
i was happy to see you please don't get me wrong, even behind your sun glasses, you can't hide the truth behind no glasses, i love you and always will.Jesus is the answer, it just shows you are the bigger person, love you for that.
Cultastic

Washington, DC

#7250 Dec 10, 2013
abc wrote:
<quoted text> i was happy to see you please don't get me wrong, even behind your sun glasses, you can't hide the truth behind no glasses, i love you and always will.Jesus is the answer, it just shows you are the bigger person, love you for that.
I love you more @abc.
Cultastic

Washington, DC

#7251 Dec 10, 2013
Hebrewsunite wrote:
The Bishop should be an example of righteousness not capitalism. He should be a man of Alahym and speak face to face w/"Bam". What does this bishop have to fear from any of his members, followers, dissenters, or enemies? He's a man of "God" right?
^^^ Mighty @Hebrewsunite you're on point as usual. Thank you for blessing our spirit with the truth.
Heartbroken

Columbia, SC

#7252 Dec 10, 2013
I'm happy to see there is so much love here. God is love. Those that left the uhop, how do you cope with visiting sometime? When I went one night during convocation, I cringed at the announcer saying clap your hands for our savior in the land today.....I cringed at the shouting, I cringed at the love gift line, I basically cringed the whole time. If I had a tomato, I probably would've threw it at the altar.

How do you keep your composure when visiting?
Cultastic

Washington, DC

#7253 Dec 10, 2013
Heartbroken wrote:
I'm happy to see there is so much love here. God is love. Those that left the uhop, how do you cope with visiting sometime? When I went one night during convocation, I cringed at the announcer saying clap your hands for our savior in the land today.....I cringed at the shouting, I cringed at the love gift line, I basically cringed the whole time. If I had a tomato, I probably would've threw it at the altar.
How do you keep your composure when visiting?
I typically wear dark shades every time I go to mask any visible displays of emotional disdain for what I see/hear. I have no problems with enjoying the bands as a musician. I'll be honest and admit that I do get love from the members in spite of what Brother Bishop says about me. I'm not sure that it's all genuine but I don't get too many dirty looks. The lay members are not the problem for me. Most of them simply are being good sheeple following and trusting the bishepherd. It troubles me that many of them are torn between what the GOD within teaches and what the GOD of the Bishop instructs them to do.

In the service the other day I listened to the letter that was written by Brother Bailey. I promise I did everything I could to get my family out before it was read so that I wouldn't have to hear it. In summary he talked about staying away from people who do drugs, sell drugs, death and destruction. The same fear tactics that have been going on for decades in the UHOP. I watched people yelp out AMENS and lament as they listened. I thought to myself if I'm a member of the UHOP and my child got addicted to drugs for whatever reason what am I to do? According to the Bishop I should distance myself because my child has been disobedient to his orders. It doesn't matter if my child was molested and turned to drugs to self medicate. It doesn't matter if my child is struggling with his/her sexuality and turned to drugs to self medicate. This type of religious propaganda is just as destructive if not more in the black community to the masses as the drugs, drug addicts and dealers he talked about.

Instead of this "GOD's going to get you" rhetoric why not come down off of the thrown literally and bond with the common man and find out what's going on. Use some of that DC money to put in place some programs to help the people. Why is "I done told you" the answer to all of the problems that plague the people. As black people have we not grown? Do we educate our children about sex or do we say you better not do it or I'm going to disown you? It's the same concept. Just my humble opinion; the Daddy is so disconnected from the common man that he doesn't know how to properly address the issues in the community.
Gee-Tee

Brooklyn, NY

#7254 Dec 10, 2013
Heartbroken wrote:
I'm happy to see there is so much love here. God is love. Those that left the uhop, how do you cope with visiting sometime?
How do you keep your composure when visiting?
If they like it, I love it is how I coup. When I see and hear things I don’t like I immediately start thanking God, I saw the light. I call on the Lords name the whole time I’m there. I have my Bible in my hands. I portray a false smile and ask God to forgive me. In other words I never let them see me sweat. I only go to funerals; I can not stomach their service anymore. That continuous begging gets on my nerve. The guilt they try to put on the people when they don’t give is sick.

Every member that gets up to speak only thanks God for Daddy. Everything else is thank you Daddy. They thank Daddy for waking them up; they thank Daddy for the food they eat. I must admit there were times I wanted to jump up and ask who do Daddy thanks.

When I get home I open up my Bible and read. I pray and thank God for my deliverance. I can now see all that is wrong with their teaching. This place is truly not a place where the people serve God, they serve a Man.
Gee-Tee

Brooklyn, NY

#7255 Dec 10, 2013
Cultastic wrote:
<quoted text>

In the service the other day I listened to the letter that was written by Brother Bailey. In summary he talked about staying away from people who do drugs, sell drugs, death and destruction. The same fear tactics that have been going on for decades in the UHOP. I watched people yelp out AMENS and lament as they listened. I thought to myself if I'm a member of the UHOP and my child got addicted to drugs for whatever reason what am I to do? According to the Bishop I should distance myself because my child has been disobedient to his orders. It doesn't matter if my child was molested and turned to drugs to self medicate. It doesn't matter if my child is struggling with his/her sexuality and turned to drugs to self medicate. This type of religious propaganda is just as destructive if not more in the black community to the masses as the drugs, drug addicts and dealers he talked about.
They sell buttons that say “Daddy said say no to Drugs” how can you profit on something you are not willing to help. Now they want you to turn your backs on those that do drugs. They turned a blind eye when the Drug Dealers gave them their Money.

Picture a Church not willing to help its people. What is the purpose of them calling this “A place for all people”? Shouldn’t Church be the one place I can go too to get help?

Puffy thought he should send a letter filled with hate. What God sent him where he fills the need to turn his back on those in need, now he even want his Church members to do likewise? Puffy has Children don’t he, better be careful on what you wish on others.

And they have to wonder why the world is filled with so much sin and hate. It starts in the Churches.
daddy MADISON

Newport News, VA

#7256 Dec 11, 2013
DADDY IS REAL wrote:
<quoted text>
How many nights does the Pope go to church?
There are nights When the pope prays for 8 hours or more on his knees praying and crying a

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