United House of Prayer for All People: Bishop's body in Charlot...

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The body of Bishop S.C. 'Sweet Daddy' Madison -- only the third leader in the 89-year-history of the United House of Prayer for All People -- will lie in state Thursday night at the denomination's palatial N.C. ...

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KNOW THOU HERITAGE!!!
I read this entire post and couldn't decide whether or not to ignore Brother @Prince Rod or to educate him. My brother I commend you for at least trying to discuss the topic of Bishop Grace and the UHOP intellectually. However, I must let you know that according to the content of your post clearly you don't "know your heritage."

The COGIC is celebrating their 106th Holy Convocation in November this year. Their convocation is older than your organization and it was never called a convention. The Pentecostal movement in America was started circa 1906 with events like the Azusa street revivals. Speaking in tongues and dancing/shouting as a show of the "holy ghost" was common. That started almost 20 years before Grace was able to establish a stable church. Therefore, he didn't bring that type of worship or the music to America.

BTW on the matter of shout bands look up the Bahamas Brass Band. This band was started in 1925. I've not found any record of the UHOP having brass bands until the 1940s. In fact check the link below to hear and example of the origins of your "shout bands". Sorry to break your heart but Brother Grace was not the first one to incorporate brass bands into a worship service.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Bishop Grace was raised in a Catholic culture in the Cape Verdes. He definitely wasn't raised listening to that style of music. I doubt he brought that style of "shout music" with him on the piano. It is more believable that he learned it when he got here through practicing with other religious sects; largely African American. Here's a fact for you Bishop Grace never establish American citizenship and battled legal troubles with it for many years. Ever wonder why he never really had one place of residence? It also allowed him to avoid the IRS and paying state taxes.(*whispers that's illegal you know)

On the issue of the music and copyrights brother you are way off. I'll keep it simple for you with an example. I arrange a song lyrics, music, etc. You go and re-arrange the song just a little bit and then it becomes yours, now you own it. <<< Read that for understanding and think about. How is that possible? Firstly in order to do so you would have to get permission from the original artist to record that song. Your bands don't have the copyrights to any music they play and never will. How can you have rights to a song that GOD inspired Kirk Franklin to write? Why didn't GOD inspire you to write an original song? I get it you took to "another level". Well you can take to whatever level you want in your mind that still doesn't make it an "original". Everything Grace incorporated into his doctrines came from some other sect, denomination, and/or religion.
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prince rod U!!! need to kno ur HERITAGE it began with HAM not SHEM our Lord Jesus came down throuhg SHEM & i'm sure u r not a HEBREW now U read Acts 8:27-38 than read Isaiah 56:3-8 u should kno that EVERYTHING & i mean EVERYTHING that happened back than & now & forever is permitted by the almight GOD
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I'm stressed right now and I needed this laugh! Thanks for bringing the humor, "homeboy"!!!!
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I always said you should be very selective when watching certain TV programs because they can lower your IQ. In reading some of these die hard UHOP member’s responses UHOP members can do the same thing. They have no clue nor do they want to have a clue.

Its time for them to read this article again; in 2007 they gave the UHOP “Cult of the Year” award; imagine what they call them now.

http://thepopeofpentecost.wordpress.com/2007/...

Quote: Saints, on serious note, let us keep the United House of Prayer in our prayers. Pray that the truth is revealed unto them. The last time I had been to one of these services I did witness to one Lady. She was ga ga for Daddy Madison and did not want to hear what I had to say. Pray that they all get it right before it’s too late.
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Praise be to God for the people who have given their lives to the Lord. As the Lord speaks truth into their lives they are willing to do as He has done. They speak of the wonders and miracles that the Lord has done unto their lives. Living testimonies of His greatness in Spirit. Such a blessing to behold the joy of the Lord within their hearts. We also uplift one another in spirit as we embrace each other in the Spirit of truth within us. There is a bond which is created by the blood of the Lamb & in the power of the Holy Ghost we are pulled together to meet the needs of one another. Let us continue to run the race in the unity as one that we may hear the voice of our Saviour, Christ Jesus, saying "Well done, faithful servant, enter into My rest. Mat 25:21 His lord said unto him, Well done,[thou] good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Holy Spirit of God Almighty, we give thee thanks for thy obedience unto thy Father. Thank thee for the teachings that thou hast etched upon our hearts. The very pencil of life which was used to write upon them carried thy mercy & truth within them. We give thee praise for the work which our Lord has placed within Thy hands to produce the goodness that flows within us. The Goodness of God which keeps us fit for the battles which lay ahead of us. Jesus take us one step closer to the Father this day as the unction of Thy Spirit rises up within us to fulfill another day given in hope, joy, & love in thy name we ask & thank thee for Thy works of love. Amen

3Jo 1:5 Dear friend, you are being faithful to God when you care for the traveling teachers who pass through, even though they are strangers to you. 3Jo 1:6 They have told the church here of your loving friendship. Please continue providing for such teachers in a manner that pleases God. 3Jo 1:7 For they are traveling for the Lord,[fn] and they accept nothing from people who are not believers.[fn] 3Jo 1:8 So we ourselves should support them so that we can be their partners as they teach the truth. I need thee every hour I need thee my bless and savior I come to thee thank god for the house of prayer
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Earth (rock) – Jesus Christ is the Rock (1 Corinthians 10:4), the Only One that stands, on whom on can stand and not fall, the Only One that Saves (Psalm 95:1) Air - The breath (air) of the Almighty God gives Life (Job 33:4) Fire - The indwelling of the Holy Spirit of God was externally expressed as tongues of Fire on the day of the Pentecost (Acts 2:3-4) Water - Jesus is the living Water (John 4:10-14)
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Praises be to the Father, Son, & Holy Ghost, for the nurturing of His Spirit WITHIN us. We are His children & as we walk with Him, we will also want to do as He has done, for us. Beloved, it is such a joy to see how the Spirit of God cleanses us from the inside/out. It may seem unpleasant at times, but through it all His joy surpasses all understanding of what we have to go through in this world. An internal love, an everlasting love, a faithful love, a love which consist of His persistence to move beyond all our expectations and achieve the impossible. God's love is the love which grows within us. How much we desire Him to be a part of us is how much we will seek Him throughout our lifetime. The change is glorious to our Lord & Saviour, Christ Jesus. It is a reflection of Him to our Father. The Spirit of God teaches us how to walk, talk, & move according to the will of our Father, all things work together for the good to those who love Him. As our hearts are purified before Him, we will desire to do as He has done, seek the lost, feed the sheep, clothe the naked, feed the hungry, visit those that are imprisoned. We are blessed to see His Spirit heal the sick, open blind eyes, watch the lame walk & the deaf being made to hear. His Spirit is still with us, today. His Word says: 2Ch 15:2 And he went out to meet Asa, and said unto him, Hear ye me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin; The LORD [is] with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you. Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

Father God we thank thee for thy LOVE and all that you are doing for us. We ask in the name of above all names, JESUS, to increase thy understanding within us, enhance our eyes, ears, body, & soul, to hear & receive thy Spirit as He instructs us daily. Whatever is taking place within us Lord, let thy Spirit walk us through it, with thy love escorting us along the Way. Make us clean today & triumphant in the victories that you have set before us, let us shine in thy glory, so that we would be as the jewels among your treasures, a present to our Father which art in heaven, awaiting to receive us. As You, Lord, present us to Him this day. Thank you, Jesus. Amen, GLORY, HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!

1Jo 3:1 ¶ Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1Jo 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. KJV
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Hey @prince rod are you sure this is the prayer of my UHOP sisters and brothers:

"As our hearts are purified before Him, we will desire to do as He has done, seek the lost, feed the sheep, clothe the naked, feed the hungry, visit those that are imprisoned."

I'm just asking, maybe you can explain. Definitely haven't seen this before in the UHOP.
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I don't even have much to say about this picture (see the link below). It screams idolatry for itself; talk about an inflated ego. The congregants backs would be facing this mega crown. Therefore, the entire service Brother Bishop would be sitting their glancing at this foolishness serving his own selfish ego. I completely agree with Brother Bishop now when he says stay off Facebook or Social Media posting UHOP stuff. It's completely embarrassing that black people in 2013 are still doing this religious shuckin' and jivin' for an imaginary "Daddy".

Funny that most people will view me as disrespectful for posting the picture but you don't see the blatant disrespect from your fellow black brother who has your mind holy pounded like yams in a sweet potato pie.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s1t21b7spixu6b0/kin...

I wonder how much this big piece of tomfoolery was? Everybody is in competition to show that they love "Daddy" more than the next one. Therefore do something ignorant like go purchase the biggest crown you can find that no one can fit to decorate the church to honor "Daddy"..... WE ARE LOST!

If you are unable to view the picture you may have to create an account on www.dropbox.com it's very simple.
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Cultastic wrote:
I don't even have much to say about this picture (see the link below). It screams idolatry for itself; talk about an inflated ego. The congregants backs would be facing this mega crown. Therefore, the entire service Brother Bishop would be sitting their glancing at this foolishness serving his own selfish ego. I completely agree with Brother Bishop now when he says stay off Facebook or Social Media posting UHOP stuff. It's completely embarrassing that black people in 2013 are still doing this religious shuckin' and jivin' for an imaginary "Daddy".
Funny that most people will view me as disrespectful for posting the picture but you don't see the blatant disrespect from your fellow black brother who has your mind holy pounded like yams in a sweet potato pie.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s1t21b7spixu6b0/kin...
I wonder how much this big piece of tomfoolery was? Everybody is in competition to show that they love "Daddy" more than the next one. Therefore do something ignorant like go purchase the biggest crown you can find that no one can fit to decorate the church to honor "Daddy"..... WE ARE LOST!
If you are unable to view the picture you may have to create an account on www.dropbox.com it's very simple.
Wow!!! Smh!!
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Gee-Tee wrote:
I always said you should be very selective when watching certain TV programs because they can lower your IQ. In reading some of these die hard UHOP member’s responses UHOP members can do the same thing. They have no clue nor do they want to have a clue.
Its time for them to read this article again; in 2007 they gave the UHOP “Cult of the Year” award; imagine what they call them now.
http://thepopeofpentecost.wordpress.com/2007/...
Quote: Saints, on serious note, let us keep the United House of Prayer in our prayers. Pray that the truth is revealed unto them. The last time I had been to one of these services I did witness to one Lady. She was ga ga for Daddy Madison and did not want to hear what I had to say. Pray that they all get it right before it’s too late.
Funny but True...thanks for sharing.
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I don't even have much to say about this picture (see the link below). It screams idolatry for itself; talk about an inflated ego. The congregants backs would be facing this mega crown. Therefore, the entire service Brother Bishop would be sitting their glancing at this foolishness serving his own selfish ego. I completely agree with Brother Bishop now when he says stay off Facebook or Social Media posting UHOP stuff. It's completely embarrassing that black people in 2013 are still doing this religious shuckin' and jivin' for an imaginary "Daddy".
Funny that most people will view me as disrespectful for posting the picture but you don't see the blatant disrespect from your fellow black brother who has your mind holy pounded like yams in a sweet potato pie.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s1t21b7spixu6b0/kin...
I wonder how much this big piece of tomfoolery was? Everybody is in competition to show that they love "Daddy" more than the next one. Therefore do something ignorant like go purchase the biggest crown you can find that no one can fit to decorate the church to honor "Daddy"..... WE ARE LOST!
If you are unable to view the picture you may have to create an account on www.dropbox.com it's very simple.
Speechless.....
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Cultastic wrote:
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I read this entire post and couldn't decide whether or not to ignore Brother @Prince Rod or to educate him. My brother I commend you for at least trying to discuss the topic of Bishop Grace and the UHOP intellectually. However, I must let you know that according to the content of your post clearly you don't "know your heritage."
The COGIC is celebrating their 106th Holy Convocation in November this year. Their convocation is older than your organization and it was never called a convention. The Pentecostal movement in America was started circa 1906 with events like the Azusa street revivals. Speaking in tongues and dancing/shouting as a show of the "holy ghost" was common. That started almost 20 years before Grace was able to establish a stable church. Therefore, he didn't bring that type of worship or the music to America.
BTW on the matter of shout bands look up the Bahamas Brass Band. This band was started in 1925. I've not found any record of the UHOP having brass bands until the 1940s. In fact check the link below to hear and example of the origins of your "shout bands". Sorry to break your heart but Brother Grace was not the first one to incorporate brass bands into a worship service.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Bishop Grace was raised in a Catholic culture in the Cape Verdes. He definitely wasn't raised listening to that style of music. I doubt he brought that style of "shout music" with him on the piano. It is more believable that he learned it when he got here through practicing with other religious sects; largely African American. Here's a fact for you Bishop Grace never establish American citizenship and battled legal troubles with it for many years. Ever wonder why he never really had one place of residence? It also allowed him to avoid the IRS and paying state taxes.(*whispers that's illegal you know)
On the issue of the music and copyrights brother you are way off. I'll keep it simple for you with an example. I arrange a song lyrics, music, etc. You go and re-arrange the song just a little bit and then it becomes yours, now you own it. <<< Read that for understanding and think about. How is that possible? Firstly in order to do so you would have to get permission from the original artist to record that song. Your bands don't have the copyrights to any music they play and never will. How can you have rights to a song that GOD inspired Kirk Franklin to write? Why didn't GOD inspire you to write an original song? I get it you took to "another level". Well you can take to whatever level you want in your mind that still doesn't make it an "original". Everything Grace incorporated into his doctrines came from some other sect, denomination, and/or religion.
Enjoyed the Bahamas Brass Band. It has somewhat of that swag that HOP has. I heard it in the cymbals and the base horn more. Large band too. Latin America has these bands too in their churches. Salvation Army churches have bands too, not the way we maybe used to as blacks, but they have their admirers. UHOP is a proud church and would rather take the credit for origination before giving any recognition to others before them. Im familiar with this pride, but when knowledge is dropped....I rather work with the facts. Nonetheless, I am very proud if the UHOP bands and the young brothers who rather blow horns than run the streets. Their sincere to their own ability and find ways to craft. I just wish they really knew who they are blowing for.
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I don't even have much to say about this picture (see the link below). It screams idolatry for itself; talk about an inflated ego. The congregants backs would be facing this mega crown. Therefore, the entire service Brother Bishop would be sitting their glancing at this foolishness serving his own selfish ego. I completely agree with Brother Bishop now when he says stay off Facebook or Social Media posting UHOP stuff. It's completely embarrassing that black people in 2013 are still doing this religious shuckin' and jivin' for an imaginary "Daddy".
Funny that most people will view me as disrespectful for posting the picture but you don't see the blatant disrespect from your fellow black brother who has your mind holy pounded like yams in a sweet potato pie.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s1t21b7spixu6b0/kin...
I wonder how much this big piece of tomfoolery was? Everybody is in competition to show that they love "Daddy" more than the next one. Therefore do something ignorant like go purchase the biggest crown you can find that no one can fit to decorate the church to honor "Daddy"..... WE ARE LOST!
If you are unable to view the picture you may have to create an account on www.dropbox.com it's very simple.
... That is the ugliest piece of hat wear i have EVER seen in my life.....
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Cultastic wrote:
I don't even have much to say about this picture (see the link below). It screams idolatry for itself; talk about an inflated ego. The congregants backs would be facing this mega crown. Therefore, the entire service Brother Bishop would be sitting their glancing at this foolishness serving his own selfish ego. I completely agree with Brother Bishop now when he says stay off Facebook or Social Media posting UHOP stuff. It's completely embarrassing that black people in 2013 are still doing this religious shuckin' and jivin' for an imaginary "Daddy".
Funny that most people will view me as disrespectful for posting the picture but you don't see the blatant disrespect from your fellow black brother who has your mind holy pounded like yams in a sweet potato pie.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s1t21b7spixu6b0/kin...
I wonder how much this big piece of tomfoolery was? Everybody is in competition to show that they love "Daddy" more than the next one. Therefore do something ignorant like go purchase the biggest crown you can find that no one can fit to decorate the church to honor "Daddy"..... WE ARE LOST!
If you are unable to view the picture you may have to create an account on www.dropbox.com it's very simple.
Ask your uncle how much it cost. Im sure he knows since he is the pastor of this edifice.
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DADDY IS THE WAY wrote:
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Ask your uncle how much it cost. Im sure he knows since he is the pastor of this edifice.
@Big Tiny check it out ^^^. They throw mud at their own brothers and sisters. Her intent was to insult me. They're running out of creative ways to say. "Dude shut up and leave us alone."

Here's my response to @Daddy Is The Way "Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeww ww you told me sister." Should I be embarrassed? Please keep commenting you're confirming every thing I've said over the past years. Just so you are clear I can say everything that I've said on this site to my family members that are in the UHOP as well as to your "Daddy" who is the way to what or where I don't know.

It doesn't matter who knows how much this behemoth hat cost. Beyond the waste of money it gives a man a sense of power and entitlement that no man on earth today should have; especially in religion. It sends a message that as "King" you his peasant subjects are beneath him and need to serve him.

What do you do with the King's larger than life hat when you don't want it anymore? It's blessed so surely you don't throw it away right? You probably thought it was a good idea didn't you?
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Ask your uncle how much it cost. Im sure he knows since he is the pastor of this edifice.
No one cares how much it cost!

Our energy should be only to praise GOD from whom all blessings flow!
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No one cares how much it cost!
Our energy should be only to praise GOD from whom all blessings flow!
It was not my concern how much it cost. Cultastic and I quote, "I wonder how much this big piece of tomfoolery was?", was the one that was concerned with how much it cost. So direct your response to the INTERNET DADDY.
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It was not my concern how much it cost. Cultastic and I quote, "I wonder how much this big piece of tomfoolery was?", was the one that was concerned with how much it cost. So direct your response to the INTERNET DADDY.
Comment on this quote bright sister:

"Beyond the waste of money it gives a man a sense of power and entitlement that no man on earth today should have; especially in religion. It sends a message that as "King" you his peasant subjects are beneath him and need to serve him."

The question of cost was a rhetorical question. Had you not gotten defensive you would have understood what I was getting at. My UHOP sisters and brothers refuse to think outside of their church. If another Christian sister or brother were visiting from another church what would the message be looking at that hat? "We don't serve him, but we want him to feel special and loved so we went and found the biggest crown we could as a simple display of affection for GOD's servant on earth today." You're not listening. There is a hidden message and agenda behind the symbolism of that crown. The powers that be are hiding in plain sight because you have no clue what the truth is. You can dislike what I say I completely understand. You can chose to examine and or investigate what me and others have said or you can continue to trust your unknowns.

I get it though because I discuss your organization and your Daddy you get defensive. I know, I know: "why do I care, mind your business, and I have no life."

^^^ I've eliminated your typical responses now let's see if you can address the issue of serving a man on earth. Why the need to teach a young black girl to fan a man in an air conditioned building and carry his hat for him? Ironically most of my UHOP sisters wouldn't even serve their own husbands like that. In case you didn't read for comprehension it's bigger than that stupid hat (no pun intended).
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I just had a completely random thought. I think the Daddy wants us to keeping discussing the UHOP because he knows that the truth is so ugly members can only see it as "negative". I ponder if we're playing into his twisted agenda. Let me explain. In order for him to be a religious super hero he needs adversaries. It's the good verses bad holy movie plot. Members are too busy rooting for the good guy to pay attention to what he's really doing. You're essentially fighting his battles and allowing him to not be accountable for anything.

Saying Bishop Grace was a pedophile sounds so disgusting and offensive to the loyal UHOP sisters' and brothers' ears that of course that makes me the "devil". My sisters and brothers are so indoctrinated that they would rather hate me and the victims of these disgusting allegations than investigate the truth. The bigger point of discussing the aforementioned reality is you now have to ask yourself what else are they hiding from us.

There's an obvious reason for the declining membership in the UHOP and it's not the ex-member devils. You're just too afraid to address the elephant in the middle of the room staring right at you in the UHOP (again no pun intended). As wealthy as the organization is why the need for so much money now with the DC? Clearly by now the organization shouldn't need the money or does it? <<< Just use common sense people it's not rocket science. It has nothing to do with religion or GOD. JUST THINK.

Why has the money become such a distraction from the TRUE worship to the Creator? JUST THINK....

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