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Obama tells Pope Francis he is a "great admirer"

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President Barack Obama called himself a "great admirer" of Pope Francis as he sat down at the Vatican Thursday with the pontiff he considers a kindred spirit on issues of economic inequality.

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#135 May 9, 2014
The 'GIFTING' of Comcast to Sharia was and is unConstitutional.

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#136 May 9, 2014
yup wrote:
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BFD
It's 10 times the average American, and ten thousand times the average crony corruptocrat.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#138 May 9, 2014
Put "Obama" in a headline and they're all going to show up to insult the President.

How dare he openly admire the Pope for opposing economic inequality? Isn't economic inequality supposed to be a cherished American value?

Even worse, he's reduced the unemployment rate to only 6.1%. What next — paying people who work full time enough not to be homeless? Thank goodness he's such a failed President.

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#139 May 9, 2014
yup wrote:
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as usual, more made-up BS numbers that you just pull out of your ass.
it's a conservative estimate to say that you're 10 times the liar of average Topix liars.
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Sol

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#140 May 9, 2014
Obama tells Pope Francis he is a "great admirer"
"Pope, because you want to redistribute people's hard earned money to the poor, like I do, I can see you're a great admirer of me...".

If either one of 'em had their face on a stamp, I'd spit on BOTH sides before sticking it down.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#141 May 9, 2014
Sol wrote:
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"Pope, because you want to redistribute people's hard earned money to the poor, like I do, I can see you're a great admirer of me...".
If either one of 'em had their face on a stamp, I'd spit on BOTH sides before sticking it down.
Or you could really go wild and start easing through stop signs or even driving 40 MPH in a 35 MPH zone. Go get 'em, bad boy! Don't just leave it at disrespecting postage stamps.

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#143 Aug 3, 2014
Nice to see the Catholic Charities helping children that are being raped and mirdered in Central/South Amerca
Pad

Rockford, IL

#144 Aug 3, 2014
kuda wrote:
Put "Obama" in a headline and they're all going to show up to insult the President.
How dare he openly admire the Pope for opposing economic inequality? Isn't economic inequality supposed to be a cherished American value?
Even worse, he's reduced the unemployment rate to only 6.1%. What next — paying people who work full time enough not to be homeless? Thank goodness he's such a failed President.
Read just today in the "Register Star" Northern Il paper,that Seattle Washington has already agreed to pay fast food workers $15.00 an hour.

Well if the whole country and our govt goes that way,every worker in the country who gets paid under 15 dollars will be demanding the same for them as well,no matter what they do.Even many professionals with degrees don't get that much an hour,most are on salary,which is often very limited.

Such a hike would cause a depression in this country as fragile the economy is right now.Sorry folks but history repeats itself again and again in every decade it seems in many different countries. It is America's turn no doubt to become a Communist nation. The Communists always use the economy and the plight of the poor to their advantage,and when they are in control,they will knock that 15 dollars down to less than 10,maybe even further.Com munism is in the long run the greatest advantage to an elite few,who although seemingly patriotic in helping the poor,ultimately their worse enemy. Everything becomes subordinate to the Govt,complete control to the proletariat who become the Nouveau rich.

The world may cringe at some of the dastardly deeds of Communist regimes,but the socialist governments especially would not wink over a communist takeover of the whole world,think of the control they would have than! Communism is bound to resurge in Russia under a different name,just as it will be called something different in this country. It is not the way to go,but than, how many people are awake to the way this country is falling like a ripe fruit to the ground?
Pad

Rockford, IL

#145 Aug 3, 2014
Sol wrote:
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"Pope, because you want to redistribute people's hard earned money to the poor, like I do, I can see you're a great admirer of me...".
If either one of 'em had their face on a stamp, I'd spit on BOTH sides before sticking it down.
Argentina is a socialist country,as many in this world,most of Europe,and Italy has one of the strongest Communist parties outside of the former USSR.So does France! The Pope no doubt is used to socialism,and it does work in some instances for countries that are considered 3rd world. Christians believe in the fact that all of their factions should share the wealth for the greater good,that all would be taken care of and not wanting as it were.

But no true Christian who knows their faith and knows about political systems goes along with Communism. We are diametrically opposed to Communism,because our sharing of the whole matter of wealth within a corporate body,is dispersed for the benefit of uplifting the poor,but also to promote the possibility of sharing the gospel with them. Many poor go to churches for help,and they receive many things,some embrace Christian values and faith.

Communism in any form despises the goals of Christians. Jews have a form of socialism in their ranks,and it is being expressed in Israel,but Communism is abhorred there as well.

Muslims believe in Theocratic dictatorships as we all well know of what has been existing in most Muslim countries to date.Although they hate Communism,they have a love hate relationship with Russia,and China,to benefit their economies against the WEST,(Which the Muslims always consider being a Christian civilization. It seems that the Muslims have done well to infiltrate most of the cities of Europe however,and we see a strong political base from their mindset throughout the European continent.

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#146 Aug 3, 2014
Seattle is big green energy! They pay a livable wage or should we give Wall St Boardmembers another stimulus?
kuda

Loveland, OH

#147 Aug 3, 2014
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Read just today in the "Register Star" Northern Il paper,that Seattle Washington has already agreed to pay fast food workers $15.00 an hour.
Well if the whole country and our govt goes that way,every worker in the country who gets paid under 15 dollars will be demanding the same for them as well,no matter what they do.Even many professionals with degrees don't get that much an hour,most are on salary,which is often very limited.
Such a hike would cause a depression in this country as fragile the economy is right now.Sorry folks but history repeats itself again and again in every decade it seems in many different countries. It is America's turn no doubt to become a Communist nation. The Communists always use the economy and the plight of the poor to their advantage,and when they are in control,they will knock that 15 dollars down to less than 10,maybe even further.Com munism is in the long run the greatest advantage to an elite few,who although seemingly patriotic in helping the poor,ultimately their worse enemy. Everything becomes subordinate to the Govt,complete control to the proletariat who become the Nouveau rich.
The world may cringe at some of the dastardly deeds of Communist regimes,but the socialist governments especially would not wink over a communist takeover of the whole world,think of the control they would have than! Communism is bound to resurge in Russia under a different name,just as it will be called something different in this country. It is not the way to go,but than, how many people are awake to the way this country is falling like a ripe fruit to the ground?
Pad, you've absolutely no reason to fear that we'll eventually all become "communists" were we to start paying a living minimum wage. Communism is an economic system that's based on common ownership of production of goods and services, with no need for money since they're distributed according to individual need. The real effect on our capitalist economy of paying a living minimum wage would be to stimulate it since minimum wage employees would be able to purchase goods and services from businesses that would need to increase production and enjoy increased profits, per the "law of supply and demand."
Dan

Omaha, NE

#148 Aug 4, 2014
kuda wrote:
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Pad, you've absolutely no reason to fear that we'll eventually all become "communists" were we to start paying a living minimum wage. Communism is an economic system that's based on common ownership of production of goods and services, with no need for money since they're distributed according to individual need. The real effect on our capitalist economy of paying a living minimum wage would be to stimulate it since minimum wage employees would be able to purchase goods and services from businesses that would need to increase production and enjoy increased profits, per the "law of supply and demand."
So, they'll have more money to buy the food that now costs more due to doubling the labor cost?

I mean, you don't expect the companies to simply absorb the doubled-up labor costs and not pass them on to the consumers. do you?

What does the company now do faced with levels of management who's rate of pay has not been doubled as the minimum-wage workers has been?

Do those people now get told "tough"? They think they've earned their positions and their commensurate rate of pay.
kuda

Loveland, OH

#149 Aug 4, 2014
Dan wrote:
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So, they'll have more money to buy the food that now costs more due to doubling the labor cost?
I mean, you don't expect the companies to simply absorb the doubled-up labor costs and not pass them on to the consumers. do you?
What does the company now do faced with levels of management who's rate of pay has not been doubled as the minimum-wage workers has been?
Do those people now get told "tough"? They think they've earned their positions and their commensurate rate of pay.
Great questions, Dan — thanks!

I don't assume that labor costs would double if we paid workers a living wage. Not all employees are minimum wage workers and the salaries, bonuses and perks of top executives adds up to a far greater expense and increasing the minimum wage wouldn’t increase their cut. However, with increased sales and hence increased profits, their cut should increase too.

The bottom line is that everyone would benefit tremendously. Here's how:

I would expect workers to buy more goods and services, which would offset any increased labor costs. It’s the bottom line that counts. If businesses pay their workers more, those workers will be able to afford to buy more of their goods and services so that the businesses will make greater profit and be able to afford paying their workers a living wage plus better reward executives and shareholders.
Dan

United States

#150 Aug 4, 2014
kuda wrote:
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Great questions, Dan — thanks!
I don't assume that labor costs would double if we paid workers a living wage. Not all employees are minimum wage workers and the salaries, bonuses and perks of top executives adds up to a far greater expense and increasing the minimum wage wouldn’t increase their cut. However, with increased sales and hence increased profits, their cut should increase too.
The bottom line is that everyone would benefit tremendously. Here's how:
I would expect workers to buy more goods and services, which would offset any increased labor costs. It’s the bottom line that counts. If businesses pay their workers more, those workers will be able to afford to buy more of their goods and services so that the businesses will make greater profit and be able to afford paying their workers a living wage plus better reward executives and shareholders.
I should have clarified. Yes, the min wage folks's pay would get doubled (assuming they started at 7.25 or thereabouts).

"However, with increased sales and hence increased profits, their cut should increase too."

The wage increase is being done, in this instance, irrespective of sales/profits increasing. You're assuming a cause/effect not in evidence (i.e. pay workers more-sales go up).

"I would expect workers to buy more goods and services, which would offset any increased labor costs."

They'd have to spend the money back on the company's good/services for the company to recoup it's increased labor costs, would they not? The wage earner buying a better car doesn't do anything for the company paying the increased wages - unless they're the dealer he buys the car from. Not the case with "Fast Food, Inc."

"It’s the bottom line that counts"

Agree.

Wages paid out for unskilled labor have doubled with no correlating increase in revenue, thus the available monies for return to shareholders is diminished.
Dan

United States

#151 Aug 4, 2014
kuda wrote:
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Great questions, Dan — thanks!
I don't assume that labor costs would double if we paid workers a living wage. Not all employees are minimum wage workers and the salaries, bonuses and perks of top executives adds up to a far greater expense and increasing the minimum wage wouldn’t increase their cut. However, with increased sales and hence increased profits, their cut should increase too.
The bottom line is that everyone would benefit tremendously. Here's how:
I would expect workers to buy more goods and services, which would offset any increased labor costs. It’s the bottom line that counts. If businesses pay their workers more, those workers will be able to afford to buy more of their goods and services so that the businesses will make greater profit and be able to afford paying their workers a living wage plus better reward executives and shareholders.
And, not to be a pest, if one doubles the unskilled's pay in the stated interest of "income equality", how then can the claims by the more skilled workers of dimunition of their earned pay levels be summarily dismissed with "be quiet-you'll be fine with what you have"?

I mean, if I've worked my way off the line and now make $12.00/hr (or $20/hr, whatever), what do you do with me when you've now devalued my labor by virtue of having decrreed that the least you can make for the least skills you bring to the company is $15/hr?

If you do nothing, now you have a labor problem on your hands.
kuda

Loveland, OH

#152 Aug 4, 2014
Dan wrote:
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And, not to be a pest, if one doubles the unskilled's pay in the stated interest of "income equality", how then can the claims by the more skilled workers of dimunition of their earned pay levels be summarily dismissed with "be quiet-you'll be fine with what you have"?
I mean, if I've worked my way off the line and now make $12.00/hr (or $20/hr, whatever), what do you do with me when you've now devalued my labor by virtue of having decrreed that the least you can make for the least skills you bring to the company is $15/hr?
If you do nothing, now you have a labor problem on your hands.
Dan, you're certainly not being a pest and I'm pleased you're chatting with with me about this.

Non-minimum wage employees' reactions to paying minimum wage workers a living wage will vary, depending mainly on personality factors. Some would likely feel cheated, devalued or just plain unloved and jilted. I believe the majority would probably recognize that it's "no skin off their own teeth" and feel pleased that their minimum wage fellow employees will be making enough to support their and their families basic needs. In the long run, everyone would benefit.

People being fickle as we are, however, some folks are always going to be unhappy no matter what happens and bound to stir up trouble at work, at home and, of course, here on Topix.
Dan

United States

#153 Aug 4, 2014
kuda wrote:
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Dan, you're certainly not being a pest and I'm pleased you're chatting with with me about this.
Non-minimum wage employees' reactions to paying minimum wage workers a living wage will vary, depending mainly on personality factors. Some would likely feel cheated, devalued or just plain unloved and jilted. I believe the majority would probably recognize that it's "no skin off their own teeth" and feel pleased that their minimum wage fellow employees will be making enough to support their and their families basic needs. In the long run, everyone would benefit.
People being fickle as we are, however, some folks are always going to be unhappy no matter what happens and bound to stir up trouble at work, at home and, of course, here on Topix.
"Non-minimum wage employees' reactions to paying minimum wage workers a living wage will vary, depending mainly on personality factors"

Well, yeah.

Many, IMO, will think "I worked harder and/or brought more skills to the table and my wages are stagnant, and I also have a family to feed-what about me?."

.......and they'lll strike next as the MWW's did, or leave the company (if said company doesn't make an across the board adjustment), resulting in a dearth of skilled (or more-skilled than MW) employees at the company.

I guess what I'm saying is that I have a hard time seeing where it stops when the value of labor at the very low end (and ONLY the low end) is decreed by a third party to be double the federally mandated amount.

This doesn't simply affect the MWW. It impacts decisions made upon that labor cost all the way up-any expenditure now is affected by this increased cost. Things don't happen in a vacuum, right?
Dan

United States

#154 Aug 4, 2014
kuda wrote:
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Dan, you're certainly not being a pest and I'm pleased you're chatting with with me about this.
Non-minimum wage employees' reactions to paying minimum wage workers a living wage will vary, depending mainly on personality factors. Some would likely feel cheated, devalued or just plain unloved and jilted. I believe the majority would probably recognize that it's "no skin off their own teeth" and feel pleased that their minimum wage fellow employees will be making enough to support their and their families basic needs. In the long run, everyone would benefit.
People being fickle as we are, however, some folks are always going to be unhappy no matter what happens and bound to stir up trouble at work, at home and, of course, here on Topix.
....or it could be something this simple, waithout having to delve into the rather arcane and arbitrary area of "personality factors".

At review time, semi-skilled/high skilled workers are told "you did a great job this year, surpassed all your performance metric. Unfortunately, sales revenue didn't raise correspondent with our increased costs and you don't get a raise this year."

So, they don't get the raise they earned because someone with no skin in the game thought it would be nice if someone other than them got a 100% pay raise. Someone with no erstwhile marketable skills or education to demand more then the minimum wage from the marketplace gets the 100% pay raise, and you get stiffed. Try going home after work and selling that to your wife at the dinner table with your three kids.

Just saying-who listens to them when they think that it's not "fair"?
kuda

Loveland, OH

#155 Aug 4, 2014
Dan wrote:
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....or it could be something this simple, waithout having to delve into the rather arcane and arbitrary area of "personality factors".
At review time, semi-skilled/high skilled workers are told "you did a great job this year, surpassed all your performance metric. Unfortunately, sales revenue didn't raise correspondent with our increased costs and you don't get a raise this year."
So, they don't get the raise they earned because someone with no skin in the game thought it would be nice if someone other than them got a 100% pay raise. Someone with no erstwhile marketable skills or education to demand more then the minimum wage from the marketplace gets the 100% pay raise, and you get stiffed. Try going home after work and selling that to your wife at the dinner table with your three kids.
Just saying-who listens to them when they think that it's not "fair"?
Stimulating the economy should be good for business so that cash will flow and sales will increase, which would permit businesses to pay their employees better, as well as heir management.

Paying minimum wage workers increasingly lower real wages for many years has strangled the economy. Business has tended to respond by moving jobs offshore, decreasing benefits by making employees part-time, and working employees even harder due to layoffs and other extreme austerity measures. Consequently, everyone's unhappy — workers blaming business, business blaming workers (unions)— without addressing the fundamental issue, the economy's snowballing downhill roll. We need to reverse our disastrous negative course. And we need to understand there's enough pie to go around, rather than bicker over who's going to get a bigger slice. What could be more fair than everyone benefitting?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#156 Aug 4, 2014
kuda wrote:
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Stimulating the economy should be good for business so that cash will flow and sales will increase, which would permit businesses to pay their employees better, as well as heir management.
Paying minimum wage workers increasingly lower real wages for many years has strangled the economy. Business has tended to respond by moving jobs offshore, decreasing benefits by making employees part-time, and working employees even harder due to layoffs and other extreme austerity measures. Consequently, everyone's unhappy — workers blaming business, business blaming workers (unions)— without addressing the fundamental issue, the economy's snowballing downhill roll. We need to reverse our disastrous negative course. And we need to understand there's enough pie to go around, rather than bicker over who's going to get a bigger slice. What could be more fair than everyone benefitting?
Again, Burger Inc. isn't necessarily going to see a sales spike. The Burger Inc. employee probably doesn't pay for meals at Burger Inc,: if he does pay, he doesn't pay full freight. There's no correlation between increased labor cost and revenue gains here, kuda. Saying it often doesn't make it causal. All that's known is that if you double the MW, Burger Inc's labor cost in SEA will increase. Dramatically. That's what's known. What CAN be inferred is that there will be fewer employees and/or fewer hours for those employees, as the business attempts to recover it's operating margin as to remain profitable.

The "pie" is not infinite, recall.

I have no issue with raising the MW to some degree.$15/hr is excessive, IMO.

I don't think "everyone" benefits if unskilled labor is artificially overvalued.

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