Pope wades diplomatically into gay marriage debate

Jun 14, 2013 Full story: Seattle Times 132

Pope Francis waded diplomatically into the gay marriage debate Friday, telling the Archbishop of Canterbury he wants to work together to promote family values "based on marriage."

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#84 Jun 26, 2013
Selene100 wrote:
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Yes.
Then YOU probably shouldn't do that.

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#85 Jun 26, 2013
Selene100 wrote:
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The gay activists prefers to keep such research hidden just as they wanted to keep hidden how they intimidated the APA in changing removing homosexuality from the DSM. Homosexuality was once considered a disorder.
That was only because they confused homosexuality with liberalism which IS a mental disorder.

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#86 Jun 26, 2013
Selene100 wrote:
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The gay activists prefers to keep such research hidden just as they wanted to keep hidden how they intimidated the APA in changing removing homosexuality from the DSM. Homosexuality was once considered a disorder.
Hon, I was THERE.

The APA DSM decision was made by mail-in ballots from all members of the Association after extensive Government funded research in many States, especially California. It occurred at a time when actual science had been occurring in the Social Sciences, instead of just a lot of neo-freudian dogmatism and word-spinning. Demonstrated repeatedly is the research results was that while gay people might have mental illnesses, their orientation was not itself one of them. Prior views derived from accommodating social moralisms, rather than from a clear and functional definition of "illness".

Demonstrations by some noisies at a couple of meetings do not sway professional assessments by researchers and clinicians who weren't present at the meetings. Claims to the contrary by activists wishing to give themselves more swank than they actually warrant, and by Association members whose neo-freudian views were being discredited hand over fist during this period, do not constitute the real events.

If anything had a significant emotional impact on the membership at large, it was reports out of the research sites. Horror stories of atrocities being perpetrated in the names of research and supposed cures.

Here's a link to a non-professional account of one such Government funded research site. Investigations by Association members into these and similar events had a decided impact upon the sensibilities of the membership at large.

http://thetruthpursuit.com/society/society-bl...

Similar activities from all over the Nation were being brought to our attention by members, outside professionals, even from the Quakers who, btw, were responsible for exposing atrocities in the State hospitals decades earlier.

Again, I WAS THERE. I assure you, I was in no way intimidated or influenced by vociferous rabble outside our meetings. The issues had been under discussion for a few years, and a concensus had formed. Those "activists" who want to assert that a couple of days of noise was instrumental in decisions that had been under discussion and construction for a few years, well ...

Of current concern is the paranoid and conspiratorial slant to your perspective. Those are your issues to work through.

Keep them out of our discussions relating to CIVIL marriage, and a foreign religionist's attempts to influence the Laws of this secular and pluralist Nation.

If ANY sectarian religionist of any stripe finds secular CIVIL Marriage Equality to be in violation of their private beliefs, then they probably shouldn't marry someone of their own sex. Their sectarian religionist views are THEIRS and no one else's, and no one NOT of their sect need pay their scruples any heed whatsoever.

Freedom OF Religion includes within it the Freedom FROM submission to the unwanted religions of others.

Welcome to America, the land of the Free.

It takes bravery to allow others the freedom you demand for yourself.
hytgfvcxz

Rochester, PA

#87 Jun 27, 2013
http://youtube.com/watch...
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#88 Jun 27, 2013
Here's a countervailing and very rational alternative to the attitudes of the Vatican.

http://news.yahoo.com/commentary-lets-religio...
Dan

Omaha, NE

#90 Jun 27, 2013
snyper wrote:
Here's a countervailing and very rational alternative to the attitudes of the Vatican.
http://news.yahoo.com/commentary-lets-religio...
Thanks for the link, but the contents aren't contradictory to the Vatican's position, to my reading.

Civil marriage exists outside of religion now.

The state isn't concerned now about where the ceremony takes place, are they?
Strawberry Zachary

United States

#91 Jun 27, 2013
I wonder how he would feel about gays becoming priests.

I'm a gay teen and I'd like to become a priest as a way to finally be shown some respect. Another plus is that the whole staying single (at least as far as women go) doesn't bother me.

I was thinking about joining the marines for a similar reason, but belief in "thou shalt not kill" has me anti war as well as vegetarian.

What do you all think? Has a gay man ever became a priest?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#92 Jun 27, 2013
Strawberry Zachary wrote:
I wonder how he would feel about gays becoming priests.
I'm a gay teen and I'd like to become a priest as a way to finally be shown some respect. Another plus is that the whole staying single (at least as far as women go) doesn't bother me.
I was thinking about joining the marines for a similar reason, but belief in "thou shalt not kill" has me anti war as well as vegetarian.
What do you all think? Has a gay man ever became a priest?
Of course they have.

I'd avoid the clerical state if you think it's a way to be "shown some respect".

They are trashed routinely on these boards, particularly the Gay/Lesbian boards. If you want some "respect" from gays and lesbians, be a used car salesman before being a Catholic priest.
Liz

Barrie, Canada

#93 Jun 27, 2013
Strawberry Zachary wrote:
I wonder how he would feel about gays becoming priests.
I'm a gay teen and I'd like to become a priest as a way to finally be shown some respect. Another plus is that the whole staying single (at least as far as women go) doesn't bother me.
I was thinking about joining the marines for a similar reason, but belief in "thou shalt not kill" has me anti war as well as vegetarian.
What do you all think? Has a gay man ever became a priest?
Strawberry Zachary, the Catholic Church don't want gays in the priesthood. If you do enter you will need to lie about your sexual orientation. Furthermore, you may be setting yourself up to be blackmailed.

I believe a priest can be gay and still live life according to the church's teachings as well as a straight man does. For some stupid reason the church do not think or believe that a gay guy can follow a chaste and celibate life.

As for, are there any gay priests yes they are many but they pretend they are not gay which is such a sad thing because they are living a life build on lies.

Strawberry Zachary

United States

#94 Jun 27, 2013
I want respect from my parents, teachers and peers.

Getting respect from gays is as easy as dropping my pants at a rest stop.

I would gladly be straight if God didn't make me this way.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#96 Jun 27, 2013
Liz wrote:
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Strawberry Zachary, the Catholic Church don't want gays in the priesthood. If you do enter you will need to lie about your sexual orientation. Furthermore, you may be setting yourself up to be blackmailed.
I believe a priest can be gay and still live life according to the church's teachings as well as a straight man does. For some stupid reason the church do not think or believe that a gay guy can follow a chaste and celibate life.
As for, are there any gay priests yes they are many but they pretend they are not gay which is such a sad thing because they are living a life build on lies.
Liz-

"For some stupid reason", you're deliberately misinforming Zachary.

The Church sure seems to think that a "gay guy" can follow a chaste life; so much so that they actually teach it in their Catechism:

'2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.'

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive...

See what I mean, Zachary? No respect for the priests on this board from gay/lesbians and/or their supporters. Not even enough to find out what they actually teach before spouting off as if to "advise" you.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#97 Jun 27, 2013
Strawberry Zachary wrote:
I want respect from my parents, teachers and peers.
Getting respect from gays is as easy as dropping my pants at a rest stop.
I would gladly be straight if God didn't make me this way.
At the risk of responding to a post that's starting to read "troll-like", if you want respect, give it.

Treat people the way you want to be treated and the rest will work itself out.

It always does.

I've never been to a funeral where the person's sexual orientation was brought up; what was discussed was what they did for others.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#99 Jun 27, 2013
The Troll Stopper wrote:
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Of course not. They're not going to embarrass the family by acknowledging the fact that he was a Queer. You been smoking crack?
Not the same crack you're smoking.

Gay people's families know they're gay.
The Troll Stopper

Tempe, AZ

#100 Jun 27, 2013
In all seriousness Zachary, do you have a boyfriend?
Strawberry Zachary

United States

#101 Jun 27, 2013
The Troll Stopper wrote:
In all seriousness Zachary, do you have a boyfriend?
Yes, he's a Christian but acts nothing like Jesus for some reason.

He also hates socialism but is a school teacher , likes cops and firefighters, and is always borrowing from the library.

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#102 Jun 27, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Thanks for the link, but the contents aren't contradictory to the Vatican's position, to my reading.
Civil marriage exists outside of religion now.
The state isn't concerned now about where the ceremony takes place, are they?
Set the perspective in that link along side this one:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/news/gay-marriage...

The Vatican is an old hand at maintaining for plausible deniability for itself. In ancient times, Christendom used tribes against one another, Christian Franks to massacre the Christian Visigoths, for example. Just keep your eyes peeled. They're very old hands at this, and have hated America's secularism and pluralism since it's founding.

The RCC sees us as a very real threat to their agenda, and have made common cause with groups that they've excommunicated and anathematized in the past. They exist through politics called by other names, and have centuries of experience under their silly robes.
Strawberry Zachary

United States

#103 Jun 27, 2013
I'm just going to go ahead and become a gay priest, and we'll be all set.

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#106 Jun 27, 2013
Strawberry Zachary wrote:
I'm just going to go ahead and become a gay priest, and we'll be all set.
You'll be lonely, miserable, and will slowly go nuts. Just look at the church hierarchy.

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#107 Jun 27, 2013
If his friggin' "Holiness" would base those values on GAY marriage and relax celibacy, half of his priests could marry the other half, and teenage boys everywhere would be grateful...

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Since: Jan 12

keep suckin' and whiffin'!

#108 Jun 27, 2013
persnickety wrote:
<quoted text>Seminaries won't take anyone who has homosexual tendencies now. I am sure there are some though that got in several years ago.
Most priests are either homosexuals or pedophiles, sadly. I've heard nothing to indicate that had changed at the seminary level, Catholic seminaries basically being gay boy's schools to start with.

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