The disgrace of papal blessing for Ugandan homophobia | Jill Filipovic

[snyper]

Dan wrote:

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The RCC isn't run by the laity.

It a male hierarchy ... literally.

Any YOUR problem is that you are SO inured and institutionalized to it that you can't see anything wrong with it.

[snyper]

Dan wrote:

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Facile.
I know why the RCC does what it does and I know why other Christian faiths do otherwise.

You know and accept their rationalizations for, in this case, injustice.

[Dan]

snyper wrote:

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It a male hierarchy ... literally.
Any YOUR problem is that you are SO inured and institutionalized to it that you can't see anything wrong with it.

Well, yeah-the hierarchy is the clergy and the clergy is male.
Literally.
What's wrong with that?
On an ecclesial level?

[Dan]

snyper wrote:

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You know and accept their rationalizations for, in this case, injustice.

You haven't made any case for "injustice" yet.

What's the "injustice"?

[snyper]

Dan wrote:

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You haven't made any case for "injustice" yet.
What's the "injustice"?

The premis.

[Dan]

snyper wrote:

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The premis.

Elaborate?

[Tondaleyo lives]

Dan wrote:

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The Lincoln diocese may not allow females on the altar. The Omaha diocese allows it.
It's the Bishop's call. Bruskewitz made it and from your telling, the new guy will maintain that policy.
As an aside, it's not Church teaching to disallow female EME's or acolytes, lectors and cantors.

Flavin made those calls. In fact many other bishops are considering going back to having only boys for alter servers. We have young men going through our Diocese from Omaha and other Diocese to go to Saint Gregory's Seminary. Things are changing to be more orthodox. We have people from all over the Country moving to Lincoln and other places becuase of our orthodoxy.

[Dan]

Tondaleyo lives wrote:

<quoted text>Flavin made those calls. In fact many other bishops are considering going back to having only boys for alter servers. We have young men going through our Diocese from Omaha and other Diocese to go to Saint Gregory's Seminary. Things are changing to be more orthodox. We have people from all over the Country moving to Lincoln and other places becuase of our orthodoxy.

Fine-Flavin it is.

I doubt that people are moving to Western Nebraska in droves due to the Lincoln Diocese's orthodoxy. I have no problem with orthodozy and I applaud it it many cases, but I'm skeptical that orthodoxy is a magnet for folks to move to Western Nebraska.

[snyper]

Dan wrote:

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Elaborate?

Think about it for a year or two, grasshopper.

[Tondaleyo lives]

Dan wrote:

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Fine-Flavin it is.
I doubt that people are moving to Western Nebraska in droves due to the Lincoln Diocese's orthodoxy. I have no problem with orthodozy and I applaud it it many cases, but I'm skeptical that orthodoxy is a magnet for folks to move to Western Nebraska.

Lincoln isn't western Nebraska, the Grand Island Diocese has western Neb. And young men have joined the Lincoln Diocese when they live in Omaha and surrounding areas to go to school at Saint Gregory.

[Long Night Moon 13]

Tondaleyo lives wrote:

<quoted text>There are some parishes here in my Diocese that will not allow women to be lectors.

The Pope is a disgrace. The RCC is a disgrace. You're a disgrace.

[Dan]

Tondaleyo lives wrote:

<quoted text>Lincoln isn't western Nebraska, the Grand Island Diocese has western Neb. And young men have joined the Lincoln Diocese when they live in Omaha and surrounding areas to go to school at Saint Gregory.

It's west of here.
I'm happy that the seminarians enjoy Saint Gregory.

[Morgana 9]

snyper wrote:

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Not "shame" dear, but so as "not to tempt the angels". It a Sauline thing, so it doesn't actually matter.

We were told women were to cover their heads for the shame of Eve's sin. I can't make that shlt up!!! I am not insane!!!:)

[Morgana 9]

Dan wrote:

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No one but the priest and acolytes were allowed on the altar for many years.

And they are all male correct? Now the question is why? Further who performed the cleaning of the alter?

[Tondaleyo lives]

Morgana 9 wrote:

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We were told women were to cover their heads for the shame of Eve's sin. I can't make that shlt up!!! I am not insane!!!:)

That's a bunch of road apples. Go find your nurse, you need your pills.

[Morgana 9]

Dan wrote:

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I seriously doubt you were taught that, but admitting same would blow your story. I get it. Gotta keep the "I was oppressed" thing going.
Women have as much a role in "governance" as I do. Bottom line.
Women fill every role available in lay governance.
Even a female protestant bishop would tell you that the objective of the clerical state isn't a job title. It's not the corporate world, Morgana.

The RCC is exactly that a "corporation". A male dominated male hierarchy corporation with NO WOMEN allowed in its circle of boys or its governing.

[Morgana 9]

Tondaleyo lives wrote:

<quoted text>We do not allow women to give out Communion at Mass. Nor do we allow girls to be alter servers. I have heard people try to find jobs in my Diocese because we are true to the Church's teachings. Our new Bishop is not changing anything.

Good job!!! Keep them women in their place!!

[Morgana 9]

snyper wrote:

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It a male hierarchy ... literally.
Any YOUR problem is that you are SO inured and institutionalized to it that you can't see anything wrong with it.

No they can't!!

They buy the "smooth over talk" the sugar coating where there is none! Makes it seem more palatable, couldn't possibly be harmful!

[Morgana 9]

Dan wrote:

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Well, yeah-the hierarchy is the clergy and the clergy is male.
Literally.
What's wrong with that?

What is right with that??

[Morgana 9]

Tondaleyo lives wrote:

<quoted text>That's a bunch of road apples. Go find your nurse, you need your pills.

You are a bunch of road apples but if it makes you feel good to lie for the church (the father of lies) keep up the good work!!!

I always enjoy when they call Mary the mother of the church but then disallow women on the alter....interesting!!! LOL