The disgrace of papal blessing for Ugandan homophobia | Jill Filipovic

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Pope Benedict XVI sending his first tweet. The Vatican has also hired a former Fox News executive to overhaul its communications.

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Sure-if we ignore the mangling of facts, we can credit her for being passionately inaccurate.
The same can be said of you. You passionately ignore facts and choose instead "faith". Faith in a religion that is clearly misogynistic. To your credit you do not mangle facts, you ignore them completely.

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I beleieve .
End of story.

Any facts to support your belief?

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Not so much for women religious.
Are you saying they don't wok hard or put in long hours?
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Are you saying they don't wok hard or put in long hours?
Don't think I did say that, no.

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The same can be said of you. You passionately ignore facts and choose instead "faith". Faith in a religion that is clearly misogynistic. To your credit you do not mangle facts, you ignore them completely.
Let's clarify something.

The Koine Greek word for "faith" is the same as the Classical Greek of the same period, but does it mean the same thing?

When we search extant Koine writings, there's some to go on, not a great lot, but a good amount.

The word hardly ever comes up except in the early writings of Xiandom. It's reasonable then to suggest that they were using the Classical Greek word.

Taken as a whole, the Classical Greek word for "faith" is not used in religious contexts, as in "belief in the gods". "Faith" is never used that way. They use the word for "believe".

So, in Greek "Faith" MUST mean something else, and does.

Taken in the contexts in which it is used "faith" means something somewhere around "moral certainty", in the sense of a verdict rendered to a moral certainty.

It's not an easy translation because it deals with abstracts, but it is certain that it does not translate as anything resembling "blind acceptance" or " blind belief"; in other words, not as it is used in practice by a great many today. There a perfectly good Latin-rooted word for THAT! lol "Fatuous".

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Let's clarify something.
The Koine Greek word for "faith" is the same as the Classical Greek of the same period, but does it mean the same thing?
When we search extant Koine writings, there's some to go on, not a great lot, but a good amount.
The word hardly ever comes up except in the early writings of Xiandom. It's reasonable then to suggest that they were using the Classical Greek word.
Taken as a whole, the Classical Greek word for "faith" is not used in religious contexts, as in "belief in the gods". "Faith" is never used that way. They use the word for "believe".
So, in Greek "Faith" MUST mean something else, and does.
Taken in the contexts in which it is used "faith" means something somewhere around "moral certainty", in the sense of a verdict rendered to a moral certainty.
It's not an easy translation because it deals with abstracts, but it is certain that it does not translate as anything resembling "blind acceptance" or " blind belief"; in other words, not as it is used in practice by a great many today. There a perfectly good Latin-rooted word for THAT! lol "Fatuous".
WOW! You are good! Are you in the teaching profession? You seem to have studied theology?

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WOW! You are good! Are you in the teaching profession? You seem to have studied theology?
I'm retired, sort of. Still teaching in the sense that I am a mentor to trainees at the formation house of my sect. We are literally not "christian", because we never accepted the "christ" heresy about Yeshua. We are one of the "ante-Nicene" sects. In fact we are far older. We are ante-Cappadocian.

A lot of what comes up in debate on threads like these is best referred to as "Saulianity", and that has very little to do with the teachings of Yeshua. Saul is mostly Greek philosophy, a little diaspora phariseeism, and a good bit of Philo of Alexandria.

Here's a fun and easy read about that:

http://www.worldandi.com/newhome/public/2004/...

It's solid and, once digested, is great ammo.
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I'm retired, sort of. Still teaching in the sense that I am a mentor to trainees at the formation house of my sect. We are literally not "christian", because we never accepted the "christ" heresy about Yeshua. We are one of the "ante-Nicene" sects. In fact we are far older. We are ante-Cappadocian.
A lot of what comes up in debate on threads like these is best referred to as "Saulianity", and that has very little to do with the teachings of Yeshua. Saul is mostly Greek philosophy, a little diaspora phariseeism, and a good bit of Philo of Alexandria.
Here's a fun and easy read about that:
http://www.worldandi.com/newhome/public/2004/...
It's solid and, once digested, is great ammo.
"Great ammo" against what?

One faith-based viewpoint is "ammo" against another, or is it just another faith-based viewpoint?

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I'm retired, sort of. Still teaching in the sense that I am a mentor to trainees at the formation house of my sect. We are literally not "christian", because we never accepted the "christ" heresy about Yeshua. We are one of the "ante-Nicene" sects. In fact we are far older. We are ante-Cappadocian.
A lot of what comes up in debate on threads like these is best referred to as "Saulianity", and that has very little to do with the teachings of Yeshua. Saul is mostly Greek philosophy, a little diaspora phariseeism, and a good bit of Philo of Alexandria.
Here's a fun and easy read about that:
http://www.worldandi.com/newhome/public/2004/...
It's solid and, once digested, is great ammo.
Thank you for the link. What do you think of this website?

http://brotherofyeshua.com/

I see it deals with reincarnation. Do you know anything about the book of Origin?

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"Great ammo" against what?
One faith-based viewpoint is "ammo" against another, or is it just another faith-based viewpoint?
A side-by-side comparison of the writing of Saul with that of Plato, the Stoics and Philo of Alexandria has NOTHING to do with "faith-based" anything. It's right there in ink. It's literary and conceptual comparison.

Such may impact someones "faith", but the comparison and analysis require none at all.

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Thank you for the link. What do you think of this website?
http://brotherofyeshua.com/
I see it deals with reincarnation. Do you know anything about the book of Origin?
Not very much, actually. I'm sorry. It's not up to my customary standard. Also sorry that that sounds snotty, but I don't know how else to say it.
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A side-by-side comparison of the writing of Saul with that of Plato, the Stoics and Philo of Alexandria has NOTHING to do with "faith-based" anything. It's right there in ink. It's literary and conceptual comparison.
Such may impact someones "faith", but the comparison and analysis require none at all.
You mentioned "sect" and "Yeshua".

Unless you're telling me "Yeshua" is sitting next to you or liuves down the street, your efforts are "faith-based", yes?
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You mentioned "sect" and "Yeshua".
Unless you're telling me "Yeshua" is sitting next to you or liuves down the street, your efforts are "faith-based", yes?
So are yours
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So are yours
Thanks, genius.

I never said otherwise.

snyper's making that claim, not me.

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You mentioned "sect" and "Yeshua".
Unless you're telling me "Yeshua" is sitting next to you or liuves down the street, your efforts are "faith-based", yes?
I thought you were referring to the link I provided.

My motivations are not "faith-based" in the sense that it is commonly used. I just as readily supply links to evidence and analyses that go counter to the traditions of my sect.

In this case, the person I was posting to would find the link useful, I presume in the effort to refute some sections of the writings under consideration. The link bears directly upon the validity of sources cited against our position, and which are used by others, including those mentioned in the topic article, as sufficient rationale to kill us.

You should be glad that I'm not passing live rounds, claymores, RPGs and Orlicons.
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I thought you were referring to the link I provided.
My motivations are not "faith-based" in the sense that it is commonly used. I just as readily supply links to evidence and analyses that go counter to the traditions of my sect.
In this case, the person I was posting to would find the link useful, I presume in the effort to refute some sections of the writings under consideration. The link bears directly upon the validity of sources cited against our position, and which are used by others, including those mentioned in the topic article, as sufficient rationale to kill us.
You should be glad that I'm not passing live rounds, claymores, RPGs and Orlicons.
"Yeshua" wasn't in a link. You typed it.

any link in service to your beliefs in Yeshua respective to the thread are then faith-based, as Yeshua isn't here on earth.

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"Yeshua" wasn't in a link. You typed it.
any link in service to your beliefs in Yeshua respective to the thread are then faith-based, as Yeshua isn't here on earth.
That was a message to my interlocutor that my perspective was from a tradition older than that of our opponents, not part of the debate itself. It was a "sidebar".

Drop it.
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That was a message to my interlocutor that my perspective was from a tradition older than that of our opponents, not part of the debate itself. It was a "sidebar".
Drop it.
Did you not intend to type "Yeshua"?

You did type "Yeshua".

What perspective is from a tradition older than that of your opponents?
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That was a message to my interlocutor that my perspective was from a tradition older than that of our opponents, not part of the debate itself. It was a "sidebar".
Drop it.
Here's a message from your interlocutor-

Watch bloviating or you'll get hung up on it.

Even Yeshua would agree with that.

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