The disgrace of papal blessing for Ugandan homophobia | Jill Filipovic

Dec 30, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Guardian

Pope Benedict XVI sending his first tweet. The Vatican has also hired a former Fox News executive to overhaul its communications.

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Dan

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A devotee of the Cappadocian/Nicene heresy, I see.
Expand, please, or direct me to an explication fo the heresy you mention here..

I'm not a theologian-I didn't come up with the info in my post myself-it's a very limited paraphrasing of what I took from Ordinatio Sacerdotalis (linked here)

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_i...
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Dan, quit playing dumb. Let me put it to you crassly since you want to play games.
The RCC only allows those sporting a penis in the hierarchy. Being your name is Dan I will assume you have a penis therefore you would have been an acceptable choice for governance in the RCC. Those such as myself who sport a vagina are not allowed in the governance due to having a vagina and not the worshipped almighty penis..
You are being represented, and you are not being discriminated against, penises are allowed to prosper in the RCC.
Hope that helps. Hope that helps you see how juvenile it sounds when spoken plainly.
Now bring on the smooth over talk.....the sugar coating...the great advertising!!
The bible in and of itself is a book of misogyny, written by men for the benefit of men.
They only allow clergy in the hieerarchy.

I'm not a member of the clergy, thus I'm not eligible for the hierarchy.

I'm a lay person.
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Dan, quit playing dumb. Let me put it to you crassly since you want to play games.
The RCC only allows those sporting a penis in the hierarchy. Being your name is Dan I will assume you have a penis therefore you would have been an acceptable choice for governance in the RCC. Those such as myself who sport a vagina are not allowed in the governance due to having a vagina and not the worshipped almighty penis..
You are being represented, and you are not being discriminated against, penises are allowed to prosper in the RCC.
Hope that helps. Hope that helps you see how juvenile it sounds when spoken plainly.
Now bring on the smooth over talk.....the sugar coating...the great advertising!!
The bible in and of itself is a book of misogyny, written by men for the benefit of men.
As a lay person, I am in the same boat as all lay people respective to my representation by the hierarchy of the Church.
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So exalted SHE would not be allowed on the alter due to her gender?
Women not being ordained is telling them they are not allowed in the governance, they "women" are to be governed with no say. That is why your cooperation has backwards laws regarding women. no way around it Dan.
Nothing about the CC drives me apeshit, I just enjoy exposing their misogyny and boys club mentality. It does drive me apeshit that they would like to impose their misogynistic beliefs on the general public....but that won't happen...thanks to people like me.
You mentioned Mary in this context-some info for you.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_i...

"3. Furthermore, the fact that the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God and Mother of the Church, received neither the mission proper to the Apostles nor the ministerial priesthood clearly shows that the non-admission of women to priestly ordination cannot mean that women are of lesser dignity, nor can it be construed as discrimination against them. Rather, it is to be seen as the faithful observance of a plan to be ascribed to the wisdom of the Lord of the universe"

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_i...

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Expand, please, or direct me to an explication fo the heresy you mention here..
I'm not a theologian-I didn't come up with the info in my post myself-it's a very limited paraphrasing of what I took from Ordinatio Sacerdotalis (linked here)
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_i...
Here's a place to begin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cappadocian_Fath...

Of course, you don't see their teachings as blackest heresy. You've been indoctrinated into it ... from birth is my guess. It's that L.A. air quality thing again.
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Here's a place to begin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cappadocian_Fath...
Of course, you don't see their teachings as blackest heresy. You've been indoctrinated into it ... from birth is my guess. It's that L.A. air quality thing again.
Wikipedia?

I read it. Sorry-not getting the heresy angle.

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Wikipedia?
I read it. Sorry-not getting the heresy angle.
Of course not. You are like the tiger, born in captivity, that has only know the world through the bars behind which it was born. Remove the bars, and it will continue to pace, back and forth, behind the bars in it's mind.

You don't know how to live or think outside the cage into which you were born.
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Of course not. You are like the tiger, born in captivity, that has only know the world through the bars behind which it was born. Remove the bars, and it will continue to pace, back and forth, behind the bars in it's mind.
You don't know how to live or think outside the cage into which you were born.
But you do.

Got it.

I'm not sure that you get to declare heresies on your own, snyper.

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But you do.
Got it.
I'm not sure that you get to declare heresies on your own, snyper.
Of course you don't, dear.

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I have no idea who cleaned the altar. Probably the cleaning lady.
So? And it's "altar".
No, there isn't "blame" assignable.
Christ was divine; he wasn't a slave to social more or convention. He could do as He wished, and He only chose men as Apostles. That limits men to the priesthood, but as I said, women hold high position in many, many lay organizations, schools, hospitals, etc.
So women were allowed on the altar to "clean it"? How amazingly appropriate and you still probably can't see it!!

Women are still not allowed in the governance of the church. That makes them second class Dan...and you know it!!

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As a lay person, I am in the same boat as all lay people respective to my representation by the hierarchy of the Church.
Still playing dumb Dan? Ok I will lay it out crassly for you again.

In order to have any hopes in governance of the RCC one of the FIRST requirements is you MUST have a penis.

See Dan, you would qualify if your were driven.

If you have a vagina no matter how driven you are you are "unqualified" a vagina disqualifies you..

Am I reaching you Dan, or will you continue to play stupid?

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You mentioned Mary in this context-some info for you.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_i...
"3. Furthermore, the fact that the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God and Mother of the Church, received neither the mission proper to the Apostles nor the ministerial priesthood clearly shows that the non-admission of women to priestly ordination cannot mean that women are of lesser dignity, nor can it be construed as discrimination against them. Rather, it is to be seen as the faithful observance of a plan to be ascribed to the wisdom of the Lord of the universe"
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_i...
That is a WONDERFUL excuse for eliminating woman from hierarchy in the church!!! Perhaps that is another reason they propped up Mary besides to draw in the goddess worshipping pagans who were not going down without a fight?
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So women were allowed on the altar to "clean it"? How amazingly appropriate and you still probably can't see it!!
Women are still not allowed in the governance of the church. That makes them second class Dan...and you know it!!
Women are not second class in the Church. We have the hardest jobs on earth, bring up and teaching the future to be like Christ, to teach about God , on and on. We are freer than you .

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So women were allowed on the altar to "clean it"? How amazingly appropriate and you still probably can't see it!!
Women are still not allowed in the governance of the church. That makes them second class Dan...and you know it!!
Dear ... IN the sanctury AT the altar. The only thing allowed ON the altar are the sacred vessels and necessary implements.

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<quoted text>Women are not second class in the Church. We have the hardest jobs on earth, bring up and teaching the future to be like Christ, to teach about God , on and on. We are freer than you .
You are freer than me because you have the hardest job on earth and are "restricted" from governance within the institution you seem to devout your life to due to your gender? WOW, they can and have sold you the Brooklyn Bridge!!! I am embarrassed for you.

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Dear ... IN the sanctury AT the altar. The only thing allowed ON the altar are the sacred vessels and necessary implements.
Got it! But I believe we are talking about the "sectioned space" containing the elevated place known as the altar, which women were not allowed on.
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So women were allowed on the altar to "clean it"? How amazingly appropriate and you still probably can't see it!!
Women are still not allowed in the governance of the church. That makes them second class Dan...and you know it!!
Women are in the same boat I am. I'm not allowed in church governance.

Sorry, Morgana. That's the truth.
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That is a WONDERFUL excuse for eliminating woman from hierarchy in the church!!! Perhaps that is another reason they propped up Mary besides to draw in the goddess worshipping pagans who were not going down without a fight?
Yawn.

Sure-that's why the venerate Mary. Whatever you say. She's the most venerated being in Christendom other than Christ, but it was all a ruse to get the pagans in the herd. Sure.

Didn't work with you, did it?
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Still playing dumb Dan? Ok I will lay it out crassly for you again.
In order to have any hopes in governance of the RCC one of the FIRST requirements is you MUST have a penis.
See Dan, you would qualify if your were driven.
If you have a vagina no matter how driven you are you are "unqualified" a vagina disqualifies you..
Am I reaching you Dan, or will you continue to play stupid?
You're reliably crass, and have a real eye for "dumb". You think Conservative Democrat on the Hobby Lobby thread is smart, and he/she didn't know that employers paid in to employee health insurance plans.

Penis isn't the requirement. Being a priest is a requirement. Women cannot be priests.

I can't be a nun. To whom do I register my discrimination complaint?

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Got it! But I believe we are talking about the "sectioned space" containing the elevated place known as the altar, which women were not allowed on.
Those spaces are called the "ambo" and the "sanctuary". Neither were women (nor ANY non-tonsured person) allowed AT the lectern (old testament and epistle readings) or IN the pulpit (gospel readings and sermon delivery).

These issues and practices are ancient which, to some, lends credibility or, to others, calls them into question.

They ARE decidedly drawn from cultural elements which had their beginnings in the bronze age, and were perpetuated in the dominant paradigms of the Sadducee temple and Pharisee synagogue cults of the time of Yeshua. These attitudes were mirrored in the Greek and Roman attitudes towards women of that time. They were reiterated and reinforced by the thoroughly-hellenized diaspora pharisee, Saul of Tarsus, whose essentially Greek thinking formed the root of a great many heresies which developed in his wake, and the centuries of ossification and suffering that ensued.

"Christendom", as it has come down to the present, is essentially just variations on the theme of "Saulianity", altered further in the succeeding century by the Alexandrian and Cappadocian heresies, culminating in the Nicene heresies.

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