Who is Pope Francis to judge?

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Speaking with reporters on board his flight returning from Brazil to Rome, Pope Francis made the following comment , "Who am I to judge a gay person of goodwill who seeks the Lord?" Who is he to judge? He's the pope.

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chisholm

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Jul 30, 2013
 
Good commentary. The Pope IS the ultimate authority in the Catholic Church ON MATTERS OF DOCTRINE. That is, if someone comes to him and says "Could you tell us what doctrine should be on receiving the Host?", he can do that, and he's the authority. What he says, goes - if you're a Catholic.

But Papal Infallibility doesn't extend to judging individuals and their actions. He's not God, and that's why I like this Pope already - he's not pretending to be. In fact he's saying publicly he's not the judge of individuals - his God is.

Good for you, Francis. A little humility is a wonderful thing in a Pope.:)
yehoshooah adam

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Jul 30, 2013
 
chisholm wrote:
Good commentary. The Pope IS the ultimate authority in the Catholic Church ON MATTERS OF DOCTRINE. That is, if someone comes to him and says "Could you tell us what doctrine should be on receiving the Host?", he can do that, and he's the authority. What he says, goes - if you're a Catholic.
But Papal Infallibility doesn't extend to judging individuals and their actions. He's not God, and that's why I like this Pope already - he's not pretending to be. In fact he's saying publicly he's not the judge of individuals - his God is.
Good for you, Francis. A little humility is a wonderful thing in a Pope.:)
rabbee: the danger being if it is not true to G-D, then you are all in greater danger than you delude your not in danger. how many popes have ever been on TheSide of G-D here in TheTorah History again?

what does G-D, say about it?- end of discussion.

you cannot be seeking The L-rd, while seeking more sinfulness against G-D. when the command is, to go and sin no more. which is worse than the slaughtering of animal, for your own show biz. the idea is to not approve of more sinning, and inviting the devil more into your life to become like the demons.
chisholm

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yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: the danger being if it is not true to G-D, then you are all in greater danger than you delude your not in danger. how many popes have ever been on TheSide of G-D here in TheTorah History again?
what does G-D, say about it?- end of discussion.
you cannot be seeking The L-rd, while seeking more sinfulness against G-D. when the command is, to go and sin no more. which is worse than the slaughtering of animal, for your own show biz. the idea is to not approve of more sinning, and inviting the devil more into your life to become like the demons.
I was only speaking in regard to the beliefs of the Catholic Religion. I am not religious and am only discussing whether or not a given believer follows the laws of his own, created faith.

No God or Gods are demonstrably "true," which makes "what does God say about it?" a moot question.
yehoshooah adam

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Jul 30, 2013
 
chisholm wrote:
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I was only speaking in regard to the beliefs of the Catholic Religion. I am not religious and am only discussing whether or not a given believer follows the laws of his own, created faith.
No God or Gods are demonstrably "true," which makes "what does God say about it?" a moot question.
rabbee: oh is that, really so? when i find you extremely religious, even if you refuse to admit who your religious leader actually is. and that you have just as much, fallible faith as the pope does. if it was not for religious differences, you could not distinguish quartz from granite. i don't buy any of this i don't have, any religion crap from the subtle talking critters of the fields.

THE G-D WHO is giving this story is true, even if you religiously choose to not be true to G-D here in IT. it is so far no different, than the last seven day Torot period. same Story again, and still no progress. and you can't be very smart, if you can't figure out what happens next after G-D has Adam put to death. and it don't take a genius to figure out, that lions and zebras don't have the same assigned religion either.
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Jul 30, 2013
 
The pope is no one, no authority. God is the sole authority, sole judge. No matter what the pope says, it's going to be Gods way
yehoshooah adam

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Jul 31, 2013
 
HappyMrsJ wrote:
The pope is no one, no authority. God is the sole authority, sole judge. No matter what the pope says, it's going to be Gods way
rabbee: yes G-D even gives, hasatan, baal hamolech, halooseefer, and the subtle talking critters of the fields, their authority too. because this world, deserves them also. and not because they are, G-D'S TheWay. and you are living in the same world again, that deserves even more hell than you are presently getting from G-D. the world where there is not one, innocent or good person by choice. all the leaders of this world are evil and wicked, because so are all of you. with the whole world denying G-D again, here in the exact same story as twice before.
chisholm

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yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: oh is that, really so? when i find you extremely religious, even if you refuse to admit who your religious leader actually is. and that you have just as much, fallible faith as the pope does. if it was not for religious differences, you could not distinguish quartz from granite. i don't buy any of this i don't have, any religion crap from the subtle talking critters of the fields.
THE G-D WHO is giving this story is true, even if you religiously choose to not be true to G-D here in IT. it is so far no different, than the last seven day Torot period. same Story again, and still no progress. and you can't be very smart, if you can't figure out what happens next after G-D has Adam put to death. and it don't take a genius to figure out, that lions and zebras don't have the same assigned religion either.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that religion is nothing but a series of increasinly absurd mythologies. Does that make my position clearer to you?

Your spiel is pretty bizarre. What religion do you call it? It seems to be some sort of Christian-Jewish amalgam..
yehoshooah adam

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It doesn't take a genius to figure out that religion is nothing but a series of increasinly absurd mythologies. Does that make my position clearer to you?
Your spiel is pretty bizarre. What religion do you call it? It seems to be some sort of Christian-Jewish amalgam..
rabbee: well i do not like, for your religion of genocide against G-D either.

and you are now talking, to the myth you don't believe ever exists here in TheTorah. my religion is TheTorah from G-D, here in IT again.

as i was also called bizarre two thousand years ago, so nothing has changed in this whole preferred evil and wicked world thrice again.

and why would i believe, any of the liars in this world? who can't even ever, get my name right actually here in TheTorah. and with the same mental magic as you, only think there not here in This Only Physical Accounting G-D gives.

you are all so smart, you can't even figure out. what happens next, after G-D has Yeshooah Adam put to death, thrice again here in TheTorah Happening.

no! i am not a christian, jew, or any other G-Dless heathen. for i am TheHis, Only Begotten Son G-D calls adam here in TheTorah again. and i reject all you other heathen new testaments, including the new testament tanach. since G-D only Promised to be giving TheTorah Happening here in IT. i am Who all the liars call, jesus christ of nazareth.
chisholm

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yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: well i do not like, for your religion of genocide against G-D either.
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OK, that's enough for you. You're clearly just an abusive nut.
yehoshooah adam

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OK, that's enough for you. You're clearly just an abusive nut.
rabbee: well your just, the abusive nut against G-D. you are a danger to yourself and everyone here, in TheTorah thrice again. as you are on the side of the religious, murderers of this world again. and if you were not an insult to G-D, then i would not be an insult to you here in TheTorah.
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rabbee: well your just, the abusive nut against G-D. you are a danger to yourself and everyone here, in TheTorah thrice again. as you are on the side of the religious, murderers of this world again. and if you were not an insult to G-D, then i would not be an insult to you here in TheTorah.
Do you speak another language? Your English is aweful
yehoshooah adam

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Do you speak another language? Your English is aweful
rabbee: there is no way, you can be true to G-D. and speak the way the established church's of the devils taught you, how to speak demonic english.

so you are the ones, writing and speaking a demonic antiG-D foreign english language against G-D. and i do not speak, in the tongues of heathen idolatry.

so it is your english, and not G-D's English that is awful. so there is a language barrier, between you G-D and HEAVEN. for G-D does not hear, the voice of subtle talking critter idolaters.
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rabbee: there is no way, you can be true to G-D. and speak the way the established church's of the devils taught you, how to speak demonic english.
so you are the ones, writing and speaking a demonic antiG-D foreign english language against G-D. and i do not speak, in the tongues of heathen idolatry.
so it is your english, and not G-D's English that is awful. so there is a language barrier, between you G-D and HEAVEN. for G-D does not hear, the voice of subtle talking critter idolaters.
Sorry, I have no clue what you are saying.
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Aug 1, 2013
 
The New Testament, in Mathew 19, in verse 12:

Jesus is having a discussion about divorce with
some of his disciples. He is teaching them.

Jesus talks about the fact that God unites one man
and one woman.(vs. 6) Jesus does not say
marriage (a sacrament) can be accomplished by any human being. GOD (accepted by the mystery of faith) UNITES or JOINS one man and one woman to actually become one flesh.

Jesus also goes on to say in regards to how come
Moses ---Jesus said MOSES--allowed divorce (See Deuteronomy 24:1-4):
"Because of the hardness of your hearts..., but from the beginning it was not so."

In other words: God joins permanently. It is
human man who insists on trying to pretend that
marriage can be undone. God has given freedom, and
understands that man might want to use that gift to
do something against God's will. Man insists that there should be the allowance of divorce.

Jesus instructs in vs 9 of Matthew 19: "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery." Period. There is not any allowances made to undo a joining, if the joining officially happened at the 'start' of the marriage.

The disciples jump to a wrong, exaggerated conclusion (Matthew
19: "It is better not to marry," they comment.

Jesus then mentions conditions where MARRIAGE--the kind that GOD does which is between one man and one woman, should not be attempted, nor even asked for.

Jesus says:"Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others;....(he then suggests those giving up the requesting of marriage as a sacrifice in thanksgiving and hope of better treatment in the kingdom of heaven).

Lastly, Jesus says: "Whoever can accept this OUGHT to accept it."

Jesus is clear here. He understands that there are
people who are "born so" as to not be able to become 'married.' God will not "marry" same-sexed unions. He recommends a solution: to have sights focused on entry into the kingdom of heaven AND also to accept the conditions of what God has already bestowed.
Jesus is gently telling people who lust for their same sex, to ask for God's help in overcoming this
lust.

Jesus said in vs 11: God does the granting of people's ability to accept.

The new Pope is spot on. People need to
rely on God for help in their earthly struggles, seek out His Word, try to follow the Will of God, thank Jesus for dying on the Cross for when they fail.

It is a God-individual man thing...we're ALL pretty much in the same boat, but each with different challenges.
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This continued insistence for "marriage" between
same-sexed couples is due to the 'hardness of your hearts.'

We no longer have Moses with us to cave in to sinful desires (those against God's Will). Jesus' Church will not turn into a Moses here. They can't. They have no power to do so.

If people refuse to accept as the OUGHT to accept, then they have been warned. They, as well as everyone, will go through the judgment of God. When they stand there before pure goodness and light, will they be horrified at their actions upon this earth when reflected back to them? Or will they be at peace?

Man needs to request of God His divine help to obtain a peaceful time at judgment. It takes WORK
to learn God's ways so that you may follow them
as best as you can aided by God.

This refusing to accept is not a good intention to have. It does great harm to self and also many, many others.
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mea wrote:
This continued insistence for "marriage" between
same-sexed couples is due to the 'hardness of your hearts.'
We no longer have Moses with us to cave in to sinful desires (those against God's Will). Jesus' Church will not turn into a Moses here. They can't. They have no power to do so.
If people refuse to accept as the OUGHT to accept, then they have been warned. They, as well as everyone, will go through the judgment of God. When they stand there before pure goodness and light, will they be horrified at their actions upon this earth when reflected back to them? Or will they be at peace?
Man needs to request of God His divine help to obtain a peaceful time at judgment. It takes WORK
to learn God's ways so that you may follow them
as best as you can aided by God.
This refusing to accept is not a good intention to have. It does great harm to self and also many, many others.
There's not one whit of evidence that there is a God (or one as opposed to many), much less that this alleged deity has certain intents as to human cohabitation. All marriage, IOW, is of human origins and its sanctification has taken place under many different beliefs.

It would indeed take "work to learn God's ways" when those "ways" have been interpreted in ten thousand different ways over the course of tens of thousands of years of modern human existence.

Not accepting one fantasy over another does no harm to anyone, unless the religion not being accepted is prone to violence, a frequent problem with religious beliefs.
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Sorry, I have no clue what you are saying.
rabbee: yeah i know, you have all been only taught how to lie. but it is not my assignment to come, to your understanding as taught to you by the devils again. i guess none of you, were destined for HEAVEN anyway by your own choices.
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There's not one whit of evidence that there is a God (or one as opposed to many), much less that this alleged deity has certain intents as to human cohabitation. All marriage, IOW, is of human origins and its sanctification has taken place under many different beliefs.
It would indeed take "work to learn God's ways" when those "ways" have been interpreted in ten thousand different ways over the course of tens of thousands of years of modern human existence.
Not accepting one fantasy over another does no harm to anyone, unless the religion not being accepted is prone to violence, a frequent problem with religious beliefs.
rabbee: well even if there is evidence, of our all being here in the physical realm. you would still deny, it was from G-D anyway. it did not even take the multitudes, that left egypt any time at all to deny G-D. G-D has even commanded, for Syrians to go toe to toe against each other. but your still going to deny, that G-D is really, really, really pissed at them.

all pestilence, plague and famine is sent by G-D, but your even going to deny that even cancer is been commanded by The Very-Very-Very Angry and Jealous G-D at this whole world. and it is no wonder that G-D, does not want to have anything to do with any of you.

it is even a miracle that G-D, even came to visit with me, three times so far. but your going to deny this is true, here in scripture too. because mr lizard lips, has again given you all with your warm and fuzzy feeling.

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Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis who AM I to judge?

I AM YHVH DEITY THE FARTHER CIPHER 888

god satans immaculate deception, grand OLE deceit, governing oppressive dis ease (mental illness / American Stockholm Syndrome (ASS))/ government of deceivers.

Premeditated and orchestrated population control by the powers that be. Treasonous stewards. Nicolaitans Revelation 2:15

"Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another's life the common good of the family or the Senate. Unfortunately, it happens that the need to render the aggressor incapable of causing harm sometimes involves taking his life. In this case the fatal outcome is attributable to the aggressor who actions brought it about, even though he may not be morally responsible because of a lack of the use of reason"

Pope John Paul II (Evangelium Vitae)

"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. Our problem is the numbers of people all over the world who have obeyed the dictates of the leaders of their government and have gone to war, and millions have been killed because of this obedience ... Our problem is that people are obedient all over the world in the face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war, and cruelty. Our problem is that people are obedient while the jails are full of petty thieves ...[and] the grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem." - Howard Zinn

YHVH suspends mercy in response to god (government of deceivers) suspension of inalienable rights (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness) in the American Holocaust (moral corruption - fraud - terminal injustice - economic oppression - murderbyproxy - population control - death fix it>deficit<). National goal accomplished reduce government (we the people) reduce government spending (no justice, no liabilities).

Why murder Ed Winsten (investigate reporter Federal Times)? Richard Brown (Thrift Saving Plan Advisor, National Federation of Federal Employees (NFFE))? Postal Employee Joseph Harris (Ridgewood, NJ)?

This shall serve as yet another tribute to members of my postal/military /government congressional, federal, state and local family and their family members; those who lost love ones or will soon lose love ones and those who may survive the American Holocaust. I write this in persecution with YHVH; your remembrance and your strength

Thank YHVH, YHVH welcome, YHVH bless, YHVH way

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