Emulate Sto. Ni o, Tagle Exhorts Faithful

There are 20 comments on the Jan 20, 2013, Manila Bulletin story titled Emulate Sto. Ni o, Tagle Exhorts Faithful. In it, Manila Bulletin reports that:

Manila Archbishop Luis Antonio Cardinal Tagle has this simple tip to the faithful: Be like the Sto.

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#164 Aug 26, 2013
Jesus cannot save those that are outside. The pouring of blood for his church is Jesus way of cleaning humans of their sin thereby affording redemption from the punishment which is eternal damnation in the lake of fire. Whoever believes, baptized in his church, and abide by his words can receive the promised eternal life in heaven. How can she be saved now that she's outside the church?

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#165 Aug 26, 2013
Well, there is no salvation in the INM cult because you believe a false prophet/angel(what ever you want to call him) with false teachings.

But I do believe that many or most of your members will be saved only because they do have faith in God and were too weak minded and led astray.

The mind and heart can be both powerful and weak. Some know how to use influence for power and some are too weak to fall for their propaganda. While it is unfortunate that many have fallen to the false teachings of the INM cult, many will eventually escape. Yes there will still be many to fall into their darkness. But the fortunate thing is that there will be many more escaping.

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#166 Aug 26, 2013
[QUOTE who="_leisure_]How can she be saved now that she's outside the church?[/QUOTE]

For one, INC is not the true church of Christ, its the church of Manalo.

Christ died for all (explicitly mentioned in 2 Corinthians 5:14-15), not some, not one group. All.
pazuzu

Yigo, Guam

#167 Aug 26, 2013
"The Trinity is a wonderful mystery. No one understands it. The most learned theologian, the holiest Pope, the greatest saint, all are mystified by it as a child of seven."

Elias "bakla" Ibarra,

Trinitarians understand the concept of the trinity(one God). Being mysterious is an attribute of God.

Give us an accurate description of God's physical attributes.
pazuzu

Yigo, Guam

#168 Aug 26, 2013
Christ died for all (explicitly mentioned in 2 Corinthians 5:14-15), not some, not one group. All.

INM inc cult version:

Christ died for all [ INM inc cult members].

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#169 Aug 26, 2013
One of the INC media videos quotes 1 Corinthians 4:6 as a basis to 'prove' Jesus was not God;

"Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other."

They emphasize 'Do not go beyond what is written'. But INC does that all the time! Especially with the false prophecy of Felix Manalo and the Philippines.

But using that principle 'Do not go beyond what was written', we do see that Jesus died for ALL, not the 'exclusive salvation for Igelsia ni Cristo (est. 1914) members'

2 Corinthians 5:14 For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.

Romans 5: 12-20
12 Therefore, just as through one person sin entered the world, and through sin, death, and thus death came to all, inasmuch as all sinned -- 13 for up to the time of the law, sin was in the world, though sin is not accounted when there is no law. 14 But death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who did not sin after the pattern of the trespass of Adam, who is the type of the one who was to come.

15 But the gift is not like the transgression. For if by that one person's transgression the many died, how much more did the grace of God and the gracious gift of the one person Jesus Christ overflow for the many. 16 And the gift is not like the result of the one person's sinning. For after one sin there was the judgment that brought condemnation; but the gift, after many transgressions, brought acquittal.

17 For if, by the transgression of one person, death came to reign through that one, how much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of justification come to reign in life through the one person Jesus Christ. 18 In conclusion, just as through one transgression condemnation came upon all, so through one righteous act acquittal and life came to all. 19 For just as through the disobedience of one person the many were made sinners, so through the obedience of one the many will be made righteous.

20 The law entered in so that transgression might increase but, where sin increased, grace overflowed all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through justification for eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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#170 Aug 26, 2013
Iglesia_Ni_Dinuguan wrote:
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For one, INC is not the true church of Christ, its the church of Manalo.
Christ died for all (explicitly mentioned in 2 Corinthians 5:14-15), not some, not one group. All.
For all who believe, baptized in his church, and abide by his words. I tell you, not in every verse apostle Paul will repeat this qualification, which calls for a higher understanding of the scripture than what you currently have.

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#171 Aug 27, 2013
_leisure_ wrote:
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For all who believe, baptized in his church, and abide by his words. I tell you, not in every verse apostle Paul will repeat this qualification, which calls for a higher understanding of the scripture than what you currently have.
"baptized in his church" - Here is where you will claim the exclusivity of your cult, which is ridiculous to begin with.
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Roosevelt, Philippines

#172 Aug 27, 2013
First of all, NO CATHOLIC CHURCH DOCUMENTS tells that we are worshipping saints, adore them, etc.
The Catholics are venerating them. Veneration is biblically-based:

Genesis 19:1- Lot bowed own in the ground to venerate the two angels in Sodom.
Genesis 42:6- Joseph's brothers bow before Joseph with their faces on the ground.
Psalm 138:2- David bows down before God's holy temple.
Judith 14:7- Achior the Ammonite kneels before Judith, venerating her and praising God.

By he way, what is the meaning of the word "VENERATION"?

Veneration (Latin veneratio, Greek &#948;&#959;&#965; &#955;&#949;&#943; &#945;, douleia), or veneration of saints, is a special act of honoring a saint: an angel, or a dead person who has been identified by a church committee as singular in the traditions of the religion. Philologically, to venerate derives from the Latin verb, venerare, meaning to regard with reverence and respect.(source: Wikipedia)
Veneration is to respect or awe inspired by the dignity, wisdom, dedication, or talent of a person (source: Online Merriam-Webster Dictionary)
Veneration is to honor. Veneration is not to worship.
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Roosevelt, Philippines

#173 Aug 27, 2013
What is the meaning of the word "worship"? Some non-Catholics misinterpret this word:

Worship is an act of religious devotion usually directed towards a deity. The word is derived from the Old English worthscipe, meaning worthiness or worth-ship ó to give, at its simplest, worth to something.

According to Mark Miravalle the English word "worship" is equivocal, in that it has been used in Catholic writing, at any rate, to denote both adoration/latria and veneration/dulia, and in some cases even as a synonym for veneration as distinct from adoration:
Adoration, which is known as latria in classical theology, is the worship and homage that is rightly offered to God alone. It is the acknowledgement of excellence and perfection of an uncreated, divine person. It is the worship of the Creator that God alone deserves. Veneration, known as dulia in classical theology, is the honor due to the excellence of a created person. This refers to the excellence exhibited by the created being who likewise deserves recognition and honor. We see a general example of veneration in events like the awarding of academic awards for excellence in school, or the awarding of the Olympic medals for excellence in sports. There is nothing contrary to the proper adoration of God when we offer the appropriate honor and recognition that created persons deserve based on achievement in excellence. Here a further clarification should be made regarding the use of the term "worship" in relation to the categories of adoration and veneration. Some schools of theology use the term "worship" to introduce both adoration and veneration. They would distinguish between "worship of adoration" and "worship of veneration." The word "worship" (in the same way the theological term "cult" is traditionally used) in these classical definitions was not at all synonymous with adoration, but could be used to introduce either adoration or veneration. Hence Catholic writers will sometimes use the term "worship" not to indicate adoration, but only the worship of veneration given to Mary and the saints.
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Roosevelt, Philippines

#174 Aug 27, 2013
IV. "YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FOR YOURSELF A GRAVEN IMAGE ..."
2129 The divine injunction included the prohibition of every representation of God by the hand of man. Deuteronomy explains: "Since you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a graven image for yourselves, in the form of any figure.... "66 It is the absolutely transcendent God who revealed himself to Israel. "He is the all," but at the same time "he is greater than all his works."67 He is "the author of beauty."68
2130 Nevertheless, already in the Old Testament, God ordained or permitted the making of images that pointed symbolically toward salvation by the incarnate Word: so it was with the bronze serpent, the ark of the covenant, and the cherubim.69
2131 Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word, the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) justified against the iconoclasts the veneration of icons - of Christ, but also of the Mother of God, the angels, and all the saints. By becoming incarnate, the Son of God introduced a new "economy" of images.
2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it."70 The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone:

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We make graven images of our saints because we want to remember them. The graven images is like the photo of your beloved parents in your sala, the monument of Rizal, the monument of Andres Bonifacio, Monument of Ninoy and Cory Aquino, etc. These monuments were made to remember the person who represents their images/monuments.

The church teaching is not to worship the image alone but to venerate the person who represents the image.

We offer flowers to the saints because we remember them, not to worship them. If the offering of flowers is a kind of worship, it also literally means that the President of the Republic of the Philippines is worshipping Jose Rizal during his birthday, June 19?
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Roosevelt, Philippines

#175 Aug 27, 2013
We kneel down to the saints to venerate them. Not to worship them.

Here is the official teaching of the Catholic Church regarding the veneration of Saints, martyrs.
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Roosevelt, Philippines

#176 Aug 27, 2013
First of all, NO CATHOLIC CHURCH DOCUMENTS tells that we are worshipping saints, adore them, etc.
The Catholics are venerating them. Veneration is biblically-based:

Genesis 19:1- Lot bowed own in the ground to venerate the two angels in Sodom.
Genesis 42:6- Joseph's brothers bow before Joseph with their faces on the ground.
Psalm 138:2- David bows down before God's holy temple.
Judith 14:7- Achior the Ammonite kneels before Judith, venerating her and praising God.

By he way, what is the meaning of the word "VENERATION"?

Veneration (Latin veneratio, Greek &#948;&#959;&#965; &#955;&#949;&#943; &#945;, douleia), or veneration of saints, is a special act of honoring a saint: an angel, or a dead person who has been identified by a church committee as singular in the traditions of the religion. Philologically, to venerate derives from the Latin verb, venerare, meaning to regard with reverence and respect.(source: Wikipedia)
Veneration is to respect or awe inspired by the dignity, wisdom, dedication, or talent of a person (source: Online Merriam-Webster Dictionary)
Veneration is to honor. Veneration is not to worship.

What is the meaning of the word "worship"? Some non-Catholics misinterpret this word:

Worship is an act of religious devotion usually directed towards a deity. The word is derived from the Old English worthscipe, meaning worthiness or worth-ship ó to give, at its simplest, worth to something.

According to Mark Miravalle the English word "worship" is equivocal, in that it has been used in Catholic writing, at any rate, to denote both adoration/latria and veneration/dulia, and in some cases even as a synonym for veneration as distinct from adoration:
Adoration, which is known as latria in classical theology, is the worship and homage that is rightly offered to God alone. It is the acknowledgement of excellence and perfection of an uncreated, divine person. It is the worship of the Creator that God alone deserves. Veneration, known as dulia in classical theology, is the honor due to the excellence of a created person. This refers to the excellence exhibited by the created being who likewise deserves recognition and honor. We see a general example of veneration in events like the awarding of academic awards for excellence in school, or the awarding of the Olympic medals for excellence in sports. There is nothing contrary to the proper adoration of God when we offer the appropriate honor and recognition that created persons deserve based on achievement in excellence. Here a further clarification should be made regarding the use of the term "worship" in relation to the categories of adoration and veneration. Some schools of theology use the term "worship" to introduce both adoration and veneration. They would distinguish between "worship of adoration" and "worship of veneration." The word "worship" (in the same way the theological term "cult" is traditionally used) in these classical definitions was not at all synonymous with adoration, but could be used to introduce either adoration or veneration. Hence Catholic writers will sometimes use the term "worship" not to indicate adoration, but only the worship of veneration given to Mary and the saints.

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#177 Aug 27, 2013
Iglesia_Ni_Dinuguan wrote:
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"baptized in his church" - Here is where you will claim the exclusivity of your cult, which is ridiculous to begin with.
Christ built his church which he considers as his body. He poured his blood to save it, that includes all who believe, baptized in it, and abide by his words.

1 Corinthians 12:12-14 (NASB)
12 For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

Outside his body are those who he cannot save for those are not his sheep.

John 10:26-28(NASB)
26 But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
_leisure_

New York, NY

#178 Aug 27, 2013
Iglesia_Ni_Dinuguan wrote:
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"baptized in his church" - Here is where you will claim the exclusivity of your cult, which is ridiculous to begin with.
Christ built his church which he considers as his body. He poured his blood to save it, that includes all who believe, baptized in it, and abide by his words.

1 Corinthians 12:12-14 (NASB)
12 For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

Outside his body are those who he cannot save for those are not his sheep.

John 10:26-28(NASB)
26 But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

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#179 Aug 27, 2013
But The church that Christ built is not iglesia ni cristo.

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#180 Aug 27, 2013
Iglesia_Ni_Dinuguan wrote:
But The church that Christ built is not iglesia ni cristo.
The church that Christ built is the church of Christ (iglesia ni Cristo).
Acts 20:28 (Lamsa)
Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed the church of Christ which he has purchased with his blood.
http://www.lamsabible.com/Lamsa/5_Acts/Acts20...

The organization is also referred to with other names, such as church of God, among others, but the fact remains that it is Christ who built and purchased the church with his own blood. Those other names mentioned in the bible refer to the same church, the church of Christ.

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#181 Aug 28, 2013
Who says that it is "Church of Christ", aka "Iglesia ni Cristo" established in 1914 in the Philippines? ONLY your INM cult makes that claim. There is NO OTHER who follows that twisting and lie. Everyone knows it is not Iglesia ni Cristo.

I really find it ridiculous that there are people who actually believe that is what the bible means. It is so clearly not meaning Iglesia ni Cristo.

You want to steal the glory away from all who follow the teachings of Jesus and keep it all for yourselves. Your little club with exclusive salvation. Give us all a break! Open your eyes for goodness sake! Really!??!!!???

It was so easy for Manalo to make that claim since he pulled a verse from the bible hundreds of years after the Catholic Church gave the world the bible. And amusingly or not so amusingly, people believe what Manalo is saying. It's really a shame.

Maybe I should find a verse from the bible and make it my own. Does that make it true? Of course not. Manalo is no more an angel than a horse has wings. But then again, that is a Pegasus...but still mythical like INM teachings!
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Quezon City, Philippines

#182 Aug 28, 2013
The Iglesia ni Cristo (Tagalog, "Church of Christ") claims to be the true Church established by Christ. Felix Manalo, its founder, proclaimed himself Godís prophet. Many tiny sects today claim to be the true Church, and many individuals claim to be Godís prophet. What makes Iglesia ni Cristo different is that it is not as tiny as others.

Since it was founded in the Philippines in 1914, it has grown to more than two hundred congregations in sixty-seven countries outside the Philippines, including an expanding United States contingent. The Iglesia keeps the exact number of members secret, but it is estimated to be between three million and ten million worldwide. It is larger than the Jehovahís Witnesses, a better known sect (which also claims to be Christís true Church). Iglesia is not better known, despite its numbers, because the majority of Iglesiaís members are Filipino. Virtually the only exceptions are a few non-Filipinos who have married into Iglesia families.

The organization publishes two magazines, Pasugo and Godís Message, which devote most of their energies toward condemning other Christian churches, especially the Catholic Church. The majority of the Iglesiaís members are ex-Catholics. The Philippines is the only dominantly Catholic nation in the Far East, with eighty-four percent of its population belonging to the Church. Since this is its largest potential source of converts, Iglesia relies on anti-Catholic scare tactics as support for its own doctrines, which cannot withstand biblical scrutiny. The Iglesia tries to convince people of its doctrines not by proving they are right, but by attempting to prove the Catholic Churchís teachings are wrong.
pazuzu

Yigo, Guam

#183 Aug 28, 2013
These INM inc drones are so gullible.

I was in the bathroom for three hours. I requested not to be bothered while in there examining the bible. I realized that Guam is a good place to establish a church. This is basically a business venture so let me know if anyone is interested.

You see Guam is part of the Mariana Islands and it is FARTHER EAST than the Philippine Islands. The description of FAR EAST and islands of the sea fits the bill.

I'm sure this business venture will be a success. Please let me know ASAP. I want to be a billionaire so freakin bad.

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