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[Serah]

Yong Lie wrote:

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So do you mean to say all those who consume pork like Chinese Asians and Westerners are sickly persons who die early? In fact, they are the ones who discover every thing you Muslims enjoy and they are the ones who live longer and lead a healthy life.Animals-if they cannot get food will eat what ever is awailable(including excrements)Even chickens in slum areas of Pakistan eat excrements.Even the Bible sys not to eat pork.But now pigs are reared in a clean envionment and there are varieties of pigs which are more clean than sheep or cows.

All GOD's creatures have been sanctified.... once it was learned how to keep pork and seafood from spoiling the need to abstain from eating also dissipated. Times have moved forward but many still live in the past, and not in a positive manner, either.

[Ahmed]

Serah said:
***Is there any any any justification at all that something sentient and cognizant should be treated the way it has been above. Why can't the Muslims use their better judgement when dealing with slaughtering animals during their religious festivals. Why must a defenseless animal pay the price for the desire of a muslim to ascend to paradise?
http://nirmukta.net/Thread-why-are-muslims-de ...***
Clean up your own act, and then perhaps try and clean up the acts of others. You don't even live in that war torn blown up place where the oil is, so it is easy for you to write how wonderful it is. Watch TV for awhile, and see what is going on, and then come back and write about how great it all is. Leave Hungary and go there..... but don't try and take the place many Muslims run from into the countries you run to, or you will wreck the peace of millions in your quest for GOD only knows what!
If you are so bothered with the Islamic sacrifice of a cow that is allowed by other scriptures as well, then stay away and do not look at it.
This decieving way of showing how brutal Muslims are will not work!
It is as if I show a video of a baby being delivered out of his mother's womb but with complications and show it to young girls and then tell them that's why you should not get married.
More information on meat on Islam can be seen here: www.youtube.com/watch...
Regarding me living in Hungary, well, I never decided to come to Hungary for career! I came here to study then leave, but somehow problems came up and I had to stay, and now what's keeing me from going back is my dera Fiance. She is Hungarian and she cannot leave!
Watching TV. That's your problem Westeners, you watch CNN, BBC, Fox and etc..
They channels show you what they want you or even what your governments want you to see!!
Now I want you to ask CNN, BBC and FOX and whatever, about this video: www.youtube.com/watch...
And this is only a sample, a fracture of what happens and happened in there!
If you can take it, I can send you more of these, in Afghanistan, Palestine, Burma and in other places as well.
Cleaning up my acts. By the way we are cleaning up our acts, by wiping out those no good faithless pro-west corrupt governments who have been ruling us and opressing our rights for decades for the sake of the west!!
Look at the US bombing Afghanistan and killing thousands of innocent people, and making millions escaping as refugees to other countries.
For what? to look for one man who is in connection to the 911 attacks (Osama ben Laden).
Well look at the FBI most wanted poster of Ben Laden: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-la...
This is a revised version of the poster, now show e where does it say that he is behind the 911 attacks?
Read this: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...
For that reason a whole country has been bombed to pieces in the name of freedom and another country (Iraq) bombed leaving over 1 milion deaths of innocent people most of them women and children.

[Ahmed]

I am not surprised about that!

Before you ask us Muslims to clean our act why don't you start with yourself!

“Thank you GOD for JESUS” Do you think that Jesus will even look at you at all if he comes to this Earth?

Do you think that he will be pleased to see drunken people, taking all kinds of drugs, adultering, fornicating, with the worst sexual transmitted diseases.

You don't want me to count all the criminal acts you have in the west (especially murder).

If you and all the other faithless anti-islam think that Islam should cleaned up for all people in the world to live peacefully, you are wrong!

If you want to spread freedom around the world then start with your own western countries.

If the concept is to get a nation cleaned for the sake of mankind well according to your concept this nation would be what I call "The White Savage Faithless Invadors"

You read it right!

It is you faithless white people who invaded north America, and killed hundreds of millions of red indians who are the real inhabitants, took into slavery from Africa hundreds of Africans and torture them and kill them.

Invading Australia and killing millions of innocent inhabitants.

Invading South Africa and even other parts of Africa!

Invading India and killing millions of Indians, Invading South America!

Invading the middleeast, REMEMBER, the Crusaders?!

Do you know that if I want to go to Australia or Canada I should apply for the via at the British Embassy?!!!!!

If you want to promote peace and freedom start with yourselves and give back these lands to its real owners, LEAVE and GO back to UK, France and Spain.

If you want a clean up of a nation for the sake of mankinf I would say the "WHITE FAITHLESS SAVAGE CRUSADER INVADORS" should be WIPED OUT from the face of Earth.

And when I say Crusaders I do not say Christians. True Christians and Christianity are innocent of your acts.

Before opening your mouth about our world or religion check your own bloody heritage, look at your own grand parents!

You are the kind of people Jesus (PBOH) described in the OT! Check it out for yourself!!

[Ahmed]

I know that a lot of people, especially white people will be offended and outraged, but please, I mentioned specificly FAITHLESS SAVAGE once!!

I never mean those good people of faith and understanding and peace loving once.

If there is something you do not like about my statement, that is your own problem, I am not coming up with any lie, these are all established facts, go search, read and ask even around you!

If you are annoyed with what I said then do not attack my religion, swear at us and offend us.

Remember "IF YOUR HOUSE IS MADE OF GLASS? DO NOT THROUGH STONES AT PEOPLE"

[Ahmed]

And last, regarding terrorism here that for all of you: www.youtube.com/watch...

Part 2: http://www. youtube.com/watch...

[Marco the atheist]

Ahmed wrote:

Invading the middleeast, REMEMBER, the Crusaders?!

Ahmed, you might not want to go there. People might point to history showing the Arabs *invading* loads of countries, which amongst others *triggered* the crusades.

[Marco the atheist]

Ahmed wrote:

Remember "IF YOUR HOUSE IS MADE OF GLASS? DO NOT THROUGH STONES AT PEOPLE"

Odd, then, that you continue to throw stones!

[Ahmed]

Marco said:

Ahmed, you might not want to go there. People might point to history showing the Arabs *invading* loads of countries, which amongst others *triggered* the crusades.

Point out any country where Arabs have invaded or even attacked that caused the triggered the crusades!

Any country invaded by Arabs there own inhabitants would speak Arabic as official language as the White invaders did in the countries mentioned above!!

For your own information it was those Arab Muslims immigrants to Egypt who freed the Egyptians from the dictator Romans, no wonder millions loved them and embraced Islam and even learned Arabic!

Try to study history of the middle east and see for yourself!

Muslims ruled India for 1000 years and then there were no such thing as Pakistan or Bangladesh! It was one whole country and people lived together peacefully side by side regardless of their faiths!

And you know what Muslims who ruled India were only less than 1/4 of the Indian population!

We have our embarrassing black sheep! For example, the Turkish Muslims invaded Hungary and ruled it for over 150 years, they did that in revenge of the crusades (Hungary was a powerful Empire). However, when the empire was down, people were surprised that the Turks never forced the to embrace Islam (otherwise out of the 10 million Hungarian you wouldn't find only 8000 Hungarian Muslim), and even never took the tax (there is tax system in Islam with about a minimum of 2.5%) from Hungarians the same way their own emperor did with them! There lived happily and even learned from the Turks architecture, Turks even developed and improved their education and build a lot of nice Turkish baths and forts, even today Hungarian tourism makes living from these beautiful places!

A Hungarian Historian told me all these facts.

Anyways History repeats itself. Check it out

[Marco the atheist]

Ahmed wrote:

Marco said:
Ahmed, you might not want to go there. People might point to history showing the Arabs *invading* loads of countries, which amongst others *triggered* the crusades.
Point out any country where Arabs have invaded or even attacked that caused the triggered the crusades!

How about, oh, say, Israel? Oh wait, the first crusade was actually because of the Seljuk Turks (who did not speak Arabic) invading.

Ahmed wrote:

Any country invaded by Arabs there own inhabitants would speak Arabic as official language as the White invaders did in the countries mentioned above!!

Really? So the Egyptians were talking Arab before the Arab invasion? Oddly then that they didn't make Arab the official language until many, many, many centuries later!
And I think the people originally living in Morocco, Algeria, Libya, and Tunesia also will beg to differ with that claim.

Ahmed wrote:

For your own information it was those Arab Muslims immigrants to Egypt who freed the Egyptians from the dictator Romans, no wonder millions loved them and embraced Islam and even learned Arabic!

You mean the Arabs slowly minimized the population that didn't speak Arabic and/or wasn't muslim. For three centuries the native population has on frequent occasions fought the Arab invaders. The islamization was at least in part caused by the fact that being non-muslim made you a second-class citizen who was repressed. Becoming muslim made life a lot easier.

And funnily enough, Egypt also the prime example of how your first claim was false: the original Egyptian language was much, much different from Arabic.

Ahmed wrote:

Try to study history of the middle east and see for yourself!
Muslims ruled India for 1000 years and then there were no such thing as Pakistan or Bangladesh! It was one whole country and people lived together peacefully side by side regardless of their faiths!

You are asking *me* to read up on history, and then refer to India?

That "peacefully" living side by side is presently only seen in Hindu-controlled India (non-muslims are for the most part second-class citizens in Bangladesh and especially Pakistan), and the muslim rulers by and large hardly ever controlled most of India, but only subparts. Some rulers were OK, others performed mass murder of non-muslims. Some estimate tens of millions slaughtered by your fellow religious zealots.

Funny enough, the one group that DID rule most of India (including Pakistan and Bangladesh) was the Mughal Empire, invaders (oh! Gasp!) from Mongolian descent. Odd how you complain about invasions, and then *laud* invasions!

Ahmed wrote:

We have our embarrassing black sheep! For example, the Turkish Muslims invaded Hungary and ruled it for over 150 years, they did that in revenge of the crusades (Hungary was a powerful Empire).

Ah yes, revenge for the crusades! Now, where the crusades then not revenge for the Turkish hordes invading the Middle East and Turkey?

It's interesting how you ignored the rule of the Ottomans (not Arabic speaking) over most of the Middle East, and complain about others. But I know, those others were non-muslims, and thus evil...

Ahmed wrote:

However, when the empire was down, people were surprised that the Turks never forced the to embrace Islam (otherwise out of the 10 million Hungarian you wouldn't find only 8000 Hungarian Muslim), and even never took the tax (there is tax system in Islam with about a minimum of 2.5%) from Hungarians the same way their own emperor did with them! There lived happily and even learned from the Turks architecture, Turks even developed and improved their education and build a lot of nice Turkish baths and forts, even today Hungarian tourism makes living from these beautiful places!
A Hungarian Historian told me all these facts.
Anyways History repeats itself. Check it out

Ottoman Hungary had less than a million inhabitants. Think about that.

[Serah]

Ahmed wrote:

I am not surprised about that!
Before you ask us Muslims to clean our act why don't you start with yourself!
“Thank you GOD for JESUS” Do you think that Jesus will even look at you at all if he comes to this Earth?
Do you think that he will be pleased to see drunken people, taking all kinds of drugs, adultering, fornicating, with the worst sexual transmitted diseases.
You don't want me to count all the criminal acts you have in the west (especially murder).
If you and all the other faithless anti-islam think that Islam should cleaned up for all people in the world to live peacefully, you are wrong!
If you want to spread freedom around the world then start with your own western countries.
If the concept is to get a nation cleaned for the sake of mankind well according to your concept this nation would be what I call "The White Savage Faithless Invadors"
You read it right!
It is you faithless white people who invaded north America, and killed hundreds of millions of red indians who are the real inhabitants, took into slavery from Africa hundreds of Africans and torture them and kill them.
Invading Australia and killing millions of innocent inhabitants.
Invading South Africa and even other parts of Africa!
Invading India and killing millions of Indians, Invading South America!
Invading the middleeast, REMEMBER, the Crusaders?!
Do you know that if I want to go to Australia or Canada I should apply for the via at the British Embassy?!!!!!
If you want to promote peace and freedom start with yourselves and give back these lands to its real owners, LEAVE and GO back to UK, France and Spain.
If you want a clean up of a nation for the sake of mankinf I would say the "WHITE FAITHLESS SAVAGE CRUSADER INVADORS" should be WIPED OUT from the face of Earth.
And when I say Crusaders I do not say Christians. True Christians and Christianity are innocent of your acts.
Before opening your mouth about our world or religion check your own bloody heritage, look at your own grand parents!
You are the kind of people Jesus (PBOH) described in the OT! Check it out for yourself!!

Peace Be Upon All the Prophets ~ and let us all clean up our ACTs?

[Serah]

Marco the atheist wrote:

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How about, oh, say, Israel? Oh wait, the first crusade was actually because of the Seljuk Turks (who did not speak Arabic) invading.
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Really? So the Egyptians were talking Arab before the Arab invasion? Oddly then that they didn't make Arab the official language until many, many, many centuries later!
And I think the people originally living in Morocco, Algeria, Libya, and Tunesia also will beg to differ with that claim.
<quoted text>
You mean the Arabs slowly minimized the population that didn't speak Arabic and/or wasn't muslim. For three centuries the native population has on frequent occasions fought the Arab invaders. The islamization was at least in part caused by the fact that being non-muslim made you a second-class citizen who was repressed. Becoming muslim made life a lot easier.
And funnily enough, Egypt also the prime example of how your first claim was false: the original Egyptian language was much, much different from Arabic.
<quoted text>
You are asking *me* to read up on history, and then refer to India?
That "peacefully" living side by side is presently only seen in Hindu-controlled India (non-muslims are for the most part second-class citizens in Bangladesh and especially Pakistan), and the muslim rulers by and large hardly ever controlled most of India, but only subparts. Some rulers were OK, others performed mass murder of non-muslims. Some estimate tens of millions slaughtered by your fellow religious zealots.
Funny enough, the one group that DID rule most of India (including Pakistan and Bangladesh) was the Mughal Empire, invaders (oh! Gasp!) from Mongolian descent. Odd how you complain about invasions, and then *laud* invasions!
<quoted text>
Ah yes, revenge for the crusades! Now, where the crusades then not revenge for the Turkish hordes invading the Middle East and Turkey?
It's interesting how you ignored the rule of the Ottomans (not Arabic speaking) over most of the Middle East, and complain about others. But I know, those others were non-muslims, and thus evil...
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Ottoman Hungary had less than a million inhabitants. Think about that.

Marco ~ Greetings, long time no see :)

[Serah]

Serah wrote:

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Peace Be Upon All the Prophets ~ and let us all clean up our ACTs?

The avatar image I had before was one taken by my daughter New Year's Eve and I replaced the previous one for it.

This one was taken about 15 years ago, and I am with my Mother. I was talking to my Mum on June 9th, 2013, and holding her hands, and saying our hands are so much alike. I am like my Father, and always have been, but I really saw her hands that day, for the first time.

We were in the emergency room at the hospital, and my Mum's blood pressure had shot sky high and I found out that she had had a heart attack a few days prior to going to the hospital.

The surgeon knelt on the floor by the bed, and talked to us of the surgery Mum was having the next morning, and I knew I would stay with her until she went to theater, in the emergency ward, because she was too critical to move into a ward bed.

At 10pm that night, my Mum pulled herself up the bed, with both arms, and it must have ruptured her 84.5 year old heart, because she took her last breath and by the time I held up her head, and within that last breath, she died in my arms.

Thank you for the reminder to be on my best display, it is, in Deed, what GOD would want :)

[Serah]

Oh, meant to add that I found this photo, and noticed how our hands are held together, holding a camera (probably mine as it would have been my Step Father taking the photo) in a heart shape? Bound together by our Hands and our Hearts :)

But, not only that, when I looked at this photo of the two of us, I knew I was exactly like my Mother!!

[Muhammad]

The pope is a scared little prick who knows he will stand no chance to mr. dr. Zakir Naik.