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Friday September 29, 2006 JEDDAH: Eminent scholar of comparative religion Dr. Zakir Naik has invited Pope Benedict XVI for an open inter-faith dialogue.
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Ahmed

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Jan 10, 2013
 
To Marco:

"normal" is an opinion, not an objective fact. And there is a huge jump for considering something abnormal and considering it worthy of being killed...

Homosexuality does not require anal sex (with lesbians in particular uncommon). The Koran does not make that distinction at all: homosexuality is bad, and you should be killed.

As I stated earlier I spoke of gays (do lesbian fall under the definition of gays?)

Stop twisting words and read carefully mister scientist :-)

Yet, Koran, does not mention anything at all about the capital punishment of homosexuals (I thought you knew it!). That's why scholars had different opinions depending on circumstances!

Lesbians are only hit and not even beaten for their act,obviously because intercourse is not involved!

Adultery or GAYISM is punished if as mentioned earlier caught by 4 witnesses. Mister scientist, have rad what I mentioned?!

You call a husband cheating on his wife an innocent, Hm, I wonder, If you mister scientist catch your own wife (God forbids) cheating on you with another man on your own bed caught with the act, What will you do?!

over the period of over 1400 years only, about 20 adultery cases were sentenced to death and by the way the once who committed it, they turned themselves on their own and they even asked to be punished!

They had the chance not to be.However, they have insisted.

It is really hard and very hard to have 4 witnesses confirming that they have seen the act! do u understand, what this means? This can happen only if they are shooting a porno movie!!!!

You should have limits in your life.

20-30 years ago, society condemned homosexuality, now they even get them married!

Society is against incest (marriage of cousins is not incest, it is only not practiced amongst Christians).

Yet, I bet you, at the time of your grandchildren it will be a civilized way of life!! wait and see!!

No limits. that's democracy. Man makes law, for man.

Again, what does science tell you about ANAL SEX?(by the way when I mentioned anal sex it is not only gays that do it, also can be done my man and woman)

Is it a healthy thing or an unhealthy?

We know sex between partners (man and woman) under marriage is very healthy!

Mister scientist, it seems that you twist so many words!!

You say:

I have no need to "look after it", I know this stuff myself. Fresh and salt water mix when given enough time. The more turbulence you create, the faster it goes. You can try it yourself: make a hot cup of water and dissolve a lot of sugar in it (it needs to be a lot). Cool it down, and then very carefully down the side of the glass add the same amount of pure water. You get two phases! Now take a spoon and stir vigourously. You get one phase!
I chose sugar here, because it is easier to do, but in principle you can do the same with table salt, especially if the temperature between the two water samples is different (but it really is more tricky due to the way you have to add the water to your cup, which is different from what happens in estuaries and deltas).

Mister scientist, Koran did not mention anything about mixing a cup of fresh water with a cup of salty one. Of course they will mix!!

Are u serious about comparing cups of water to what happens when river meets with sea?!:-)
Ahmed

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Jan 10, 2013
 
Why should they say he lied? He told something they already knew!

If they knew about whatever Mohammad claimed, why didn't they laugh at him?!

Why didn't they ridicule him?

I never heard of anyone (Romans, Persians, etc) who ridiculed him!!

Not even one book!!

However, you still cannot prove the none existence of God!!

And you will never do, even if you spend all your life on that you will not, I assure you :-)

To Marco:
You say:
Never argue with a fool, people might not know the difference".

Second, what would be the use of a debate with Zakir Naik? He cannot be convinced, nor will those who are most likely to be present at the debate. No muslim will accept the koran is not miraculous, so there's no use for a debate.

Third, people HAVE asked him for debates, and he refused! He demands the audience is at least 10,000, for example, and declines any and all written debate.

Which brings me to point four: I would never ever accept a spoken debate with Zakir Naik, because he is a pretty good showman, but very, very loose on his facts. As a scientist, I will only say what I know is true, which automatically means the debate is heavily skewed. An oral debate is often a popularity contest, rather than a factual contest.

In other words: debating Zakir Naik is completely useless. I would have a better conversation with a brick wall...

Who asked him for a debate???!!!

He declines written debates. I can imagine that! Because many people would change his written debates by twisting his words and post it as a different one!!

You do not stand a chance with a man who even knows better science than you do!

He knows several languages, he is delivering the message of Islam on strong honest bases. No wonder people from all faiths even, Atheists themselves admire him!!

You call him a fool, again being arrogant mistre scientist!

You say:

You deny the existence of thousands of gods, so please prove they do not exist, before you can expect that one god you believe in exists. Remember, your god-view came MUCH later than the god(s) of hundreds of other religions. In other words, YOU started with denying the existence of a lot of gods, without providing any evidence.

The gods you are talking about are rejected by both Atheists and Muslims, because these are models of gods.

Non-muslim arabs were worshiping statues made by them! Tell me, what can a statue built by your own hand do? Is there any sense or science in that.

gods like, starts, planets, water , fire,etc are all elements that are created and even destructible.

The principle and meaning of God in Islam is the following:

God (Allah in Arabic) the one and only, the unique, he does not beget, nor has been begotten and there is nothing like into him.

This is what God really is. With that meaning the concept of God makes sense and is logical. Yet, the problem with Atheists and non-believers is to prove God's existence.

Mister scientist, I bet you, if even science in 2 or 3 hundred years, provides a very strong proof of God's existence Atheists will still rejected and even argue it. Simply because as long as they do not see God, he does not exist!

Very interesting logic!!
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Jan 10, 2013
 
Neither I nor Igor are from the US.

I also have little doubt that some of your colleagues are as virulenty racist as you are, and therefore consider my comments "abusive".

:-)))))))) I was gonna collapse when I read that "racist" and who? Hungarians :-))))))))

Then what is a brown skinned man like me doing among a bunch of racists.

Yeah maybe, they are racist like me :-))))))))

If they were racist, there own government that is more than 70% is not white wouldn't be elected by them!!

Mister scientist, you noticed that I never offended you or even used any abusive, excuse me "comments" that would have made you call me an ignorant racist f...wit !:-)

Attack and insult, Islam and Muhammad (PBOH).

Check my dialogue with you and show me where I have insulted you, this is Islam that taught me manners and to communicate with people!

I even, introduced myself,anyways, I apologize for anything I said that maybe offended you!!

I am still laughing at that claim that me and my colleges are racist :-))))))

How can I and my colleges be racist. We work in a multinational company. There are many people from different countries and races and religions!

When I even showed them the previous dialogues, and got them surprised!:-)

Regarding salmonella in chicken, Islam teaches us not to eat what is contaminated or ill.

Beef has e coli that is a killer in the US that's why I would not eat it even if cooked.

Another thing is: Islam does not allow us to eat meat that is not slaughtered the Islamic way, buy cutting it at the throat for its most of blood to flow all the way out.

Blood is full of toxins and harmful substances (proved by science).

Cattle not slaughtered the Islamic way contain lots of the harmful blood, no wonder it is not as tasty as the once cut the Islamic way. In Germany, Germans love to buy meat from the Turkish (Muslims) shops, although it is more expensive than the regular one.

Tape worm is present in pork. anyways I will not argue that. check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch...

and that one: https://www.youtube.com/watch...

Hope you enjoy it! Have a nice day mister scientist :-)
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Ahmed wrote:
To Marco:
As I stated earlier I spoke of gays (do lesbian fall under the definition of gays?)
Stop twisting words and read carefully mister scientist :-)
And you should also read carefully:*you* may have talked about gays (and still, being gay does not require having anal sex), but islam talks about homosexuality, which includes the lesbians.
Ahmed wrote:
Yet, Koran, does not mention anything at all about the capital punishment of homosexuals (I thought you knew it!). That's why scholars had different opinions depending on circumstances!
Ah, but you now admit that the koran is NOT the guiding principle of muslims. Which, in turn, means that reading the koran simply is insufficient to understand islam.
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Lesbians are only hit and not even beaten for their act,obviously because intercourse is not involved!
"Only" hit?!?! How nice those muslims are. A completely victimless "crime" gets you "only hit".
Ahmed wrote:
Adultery or GAYISM is punished if as mentioned earlier caught by 4 witnesses. Mister scientist, have rad what I mentioned?!
And how exactly does that make the concept that adulterers and gays are to be killed any better?
Ahmed wrote:
You call a husband cheating on his wife an innocent,
I did not. I do, however, question the mere idea that adulterers should be killed (regardless of how many witnesses are required).
Ahmed wrote:
20-30 years ago, society condemned homosexuality, now they even get them married!
Society is against incest (marriage of cousins is not incest, it is only not practiced amongst Christians).
Yet, I bet you, at the time of your grandchildren it will be a civilized way of life!! wait and see!!
I don't think it will be. You see, the whole difference between the average incestuous relationship and a homosexual relationship is that the latter is fully voluntary, while the latter commonly involves someone who is in control of the other (e.g., parent-child).
Ahmed wrote:
No limits. that's democracy. Man makes law, for man.
Again, what does science tell you about ANAL SEX?(by the way when I mentioned anal sex it is not only gays that do it, also can be done my man and woman)
Is it a healthy thing or an unhealthy?
Depends on how you do it. It can be completely harmless, and it can be a stupid idea. But if you want to do something stupid that only hurts yourself, it does not make you immoral.
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We know sex between partners (man and woman) under marriage is very healthy!
What? It can be very, very unhealthy, whether you are married or not! Quite a few women have caught diseases from their husband, and not because he had sex with others.
Ahmed wrote:
Mister scientist, it seems that you twist so many words!!

Mister scientist, Koran did not mention anything about mixing a cup of fresh water with a cup of salty one. Of course they will mix!!
Are u serious about comparing cups of water to what happens when river meets with sea?!:-)
Yes, I am seriously comparing that. As I stated, you CAN get the same phase separation with salt and fresh water in a cup, especially if you also include temperature differences.
But it can be done without. Look here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch...

Oops! A simple home experiment showing you wrong!

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Ahmed wrote:
Who asked him for a debate???!!!
Ali Sina, Sam Shamoun, to name but two.
Ahmed wrote:
He declines written debates. I can imagine that! Because many people would change his written debates by twisting his words and post it as a different one!!
He can publish his own words on his own website, which completely prevents anyone from twisting his words!
Ahmed wrote:
You do not stand a chance with a man who even knows better science than you do!
LOL! He doesn't know science, he only knows how to twist knowledge and then claim science and the koran fit together.
Ahmed wrote:
He knows several languages,
So do many (I speak four languages almost fluently myself).
Ahmed wrote:
The gods you are talking about are rejected by both Atheists and Muslims, because these are models of gods.
Atheists reject their existence, because their existence has not been proven. Quite different from your claim!
Ahmed wrote:
Mister scientist, I bet you, if even science in 2 or 3 hundred years, provides a very strong proof of God's existence Atheists will still rejected and even argue it. Simply because as long as they do not see God, he does not exist!
Very interesting logic!!
The god hypothesis is completely useless from a scientific point of view. It does not provide any useful predictions or explanations.

To quote Laplace:
"Je n'ai pas eu besoin de cette hypothèse"

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Ahmed wrote:
:-)))))))) I was gonna collapse when I read that "racist" and who? Hungarians :-))))))))
Then what is a brown skinned man like me doing among a bunch of racists.
Yeah maybe, they are racist like me :-))))))))
You might want to read back your own comments about jews and how they (according to you) were responsible for the financial problems of the common people. Racism does not require the person being discriminated against having a specific skin color (although it is a common form of racism).
Ahmed wrote:
Mister scientist, you noticed that I never offended you or even used any abusive, excuse me "comments" that would have made you call me an ignorant racist f...wit !:-)
You insulted my intelligence by trying the "it's the jooooooooos!" claim. You made it even worse by claiming the Hungarian government is filled with "gypsies".
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Regarding salmonella in chicken, Islam teaches us not to eat what is contaminated or ill.
Beef has e coli that is a killer in the US that's why I would not eat it even if cooked.
But the koran does not ban any meat that is "contaminated", it only mentions that pig is not allowed. You argued that that is because it carries a specific disease, but that is just scientifically completely untenable. The pigs we raise in the west do not carry that disease.
Ahmed wrote:
Another thing is: Islam does not allow us to eat meat that is not slaughtered the Islamic way, buy cutting it at the throat for its most of blood to flow all the way out.
Blood is full of toxins and harmful substances (proved by science).
Why does islam allow you to eat liver? The liver is the detoxifier of animals. It's FILLED with toxins and harmful substances much, much more than blood. As usual, religious zealots try to find excuses for blunt statements, and in doing so ignore a lot of inconvenient information.
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Tape worm is present in pork. anyways I will not argue that. check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch...
and that one: https://www.youtube.com/watch...
Hope you enjoy it! Have a nice day mister scientist :-)
Wow, more insults to my intelligence. Religious zealots say "look, religious scriptures say you should not eat pig! Therefore, don't! It is bad! The scripture says so! And yes, we ignore a lot of evidence, but the scripture, you see...it says it, so we must believe it".
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Ahmed wrote:
To Igor:
About swine, that is forbidden in Islam, science have proved that pork has a lot of worms in it (tape worm). Yet if you cook it it will die, but its eggs do not die even when cooked, only if you literally burn it!
So do you mean to say all those who consume pork like Chinese Asians and Westerners are sickly persons who die early? In fact, they are the ones who discover every thing you Muslims enjoy and they are the ones who live longer and lead a healthy life.Animals-if they cannot get food will eat what ever is awailable(including excrements)Even chickens in slum areas of Pakistan eat excrements.Even the Bible sys not to eat pork.But now pigs are reared in a clean envionment and there are varieties of pigs which are more clean than sheep or cows.

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Jan 12, 2013
 
Ahmed wrote:
still you west democratic people have not answered my question!
How would you react to the muslims one day cutting the oil exports to you?
I know it is a very difficult question to answer. But you know what?!
I know the answer, again west and Israel will declare war against us by claiming through your honest media that terrorists have taken over the oil business in order to destroy the FREEDOM OF THE GOOD OL WEST!:-)
Remember what Bush said? You are either with us or with the terrorists :-)
So before calling me names try first to get ready for that day when u west lose your business in the middle east!:-)
we'd survive.... I wish we would stop buying oil from over there and work on other forms of transport. We are promoting rich and powerful tyrants, who GOD would surely shudder at!

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Ahmed wrote:
To Ahmed:
About swine, that is forbidden in Islam, science have proved that pork has a lot of worms in it (tape worm). Yet if you cook it it will die, but its eggs do not die even when cooked, only if you literally burn it!
***Is there any any any justification at all that something sentient and cognizant should be treated the way it has been above. Why can't the Muslims use their better judgement when dealing with slaughtering animals during their religious festivals. Why must a defenseless animal pay the price for the desire of a muslim to ascend to paradise?

http://nirmukta.net/Thread-why-are-muslims-de... ***

Clean up your own act, and then perhaps try and clean up the acts of others. You don't even live in that war torn blown up place where the oil is, so it is easy for you to write how wonderful it is. Watch TV for awhile, and see what is going on, and then come back and write about how great it all is. Leave Hungary and go there..... but don't try and take the place many Muslims run from into the countries you run to, or you will wreck the peace of millions in your quest for GOD only knows what!

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So do you mean to say all those who consume pork like Chinese Asians and Westerners are sickly persons who die early? In fact, they are the ones who discover every thing you Muslims enjoy and they are the ones who live longer and lead a healthy life.Animals-if they cannot get food will eat what ever is awailable(including excrements)Even chickens in slum areas of Pakistan eat excrements.Even the Bible sys not to eat pork.But now pigs are reared in a clean envionment and there are varieties of pigs which are more clean than sheep or cows.
All GOD's creatures have been sanctified.... once it was learned how to keep pork and seafood from spoiling the need to abstain from eating also dissipated. Times have moved forward but many still live in the past, and not in a positive manner, either.
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***Is there any any any justification at all that something sentient and cognizant should be treated the way it has been above. Why can't the Muslims use their better judgement when dealing with slaughtering animals during their religious festivals. Why must a defenseless animal pay the price for the desire of a muslim to ascend to paradise?
http://nirmukta.net/Thread-why-are-muslims-de ...***
Clean up your own act, and then perhaps try and clean up the acts of others. You don't even live in that war torn blown up place where the oil is, so it is easy for you to write how wonderful it is. Watch TV for awhile, and see what is going on, and then come back and write about how great it all is. Leave Hungary and go there..... but don't try and take the place many Muslims run from into the countries you run to, or you will wreck the peace of millions in your quest for GOD only knows what!
If you are so bothered with the Islamic sacrifice of a cow that is allowed by other scriptures as well, then stay away and do not look at it.
This decieving way of showing how brutal Muslims are will not work!
It is as if I show a video of a baby being delivered out of his mother's womb but with complications and show it to young girls and then tell them that's why you should not get married.
More information on meat on Islam can be seen here: www.youtube.com/watch...
Regarding me living in Hungary, well, I never decided to come to Hungary for career! I came here to study then leave, but somehow problems came up and I had to stay, and now what's keeing me from going back is my dera Fiance. She is Hungarian and she cannot leave!
Watching TV. That's your problem Westeners, you watch CNN, BBC, Fox and etc..
They channels show you what they want you or even what your governments want you to see!!
Now I want you to ask CNN, BBC and FOX and whatever, about this video: www.youtube.com/watch...
And this is only a sample, a fracture of what happens and happened in there!
If you can take it, I can send you more of these, in Afghanistan, Palestine, Burma and in other places as well.
Cleaning up my acts. By the way we are cleaning up our acts, by wiping out those no good faithless pro-west corrupt governments who have been ruling us and opressing our rights for decades for the sake of the west!!
Look at the US bombing Afghanistan and killing thousands of innocent people, and making millions escaping as refugees to other countries.
For what? to look for one man who is in connection to the 911 attacks (Osama ben Laden).
Well look at the FBI most wanted poster of Ben Laden: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-la...
This is a revised version of the poster, now show e where does it say that he is behind the 911 attacks?
Read this: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...
For that reason a whole country has been bombed to pieces in the name of freedom and another country (Iraq) bombed leaving over 1 milion deaths of innocent people most of them women and children.
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I am not surprised about that!

Before you ask us Muslims to clean our act why don't you start with yourself!

“Thank you GOD for JESUS” Do you think that Jesus will even look at you at all if he comes to this Earth?

Do you think that he will be pleased to see drunken people, taking all kinds of drugs, adultering, fornicating, with the worst sexual transmitted diseases.

You don't want me to count all the criminal acts you have in the west (especially murder).

If you and all the other faithless anti-islam think that Islam should cleaned up for all people in the world to live peacefully, you are wrong!

If you want to spread freedom around the world then start with your own western countries.

If the concept is to get a nation cleaned for the sake of mankind well according to your concept this nation would be what I call "The White Savage Faithless Invadors"

You read it right!

It is you faithless white people who invaded north America, and killed hundreds of millions of red indians who are the real inhabitants, took into slavery from Africa hundreds of Africans and torture them and kill them.

Invading Australia and killing millions of innocent inhabitants.

Invading South Africa and even other parts of Africa!

Invading India and killing millions of Indians, Invading South America!

Invading the middleeast, REMEMBER, the Crusaders?!

Do you know that if I want to go to Australia or Canada I should apply for the via at the British Embassy?!!!!!

If you want to promote peace and freedom start with yourselves and give back these lands to its real owners, LEAVE and GO back to UK, France and Spain.

If you want a clean up of a nation for the sake of mankinf I would say the "WHITE FAITHLESS SAVAGE CRUSADER INVADORS" should be WIPED OUT from the face of Earth.

And when I say Crusaders I do not say Christians. True Christians and Christianity are innocent of your acts.

Before opening your mouth about our world or religion check your own bloody heritage, look at your own grand parents!

You are the kind of people Jesus (PBOH) described in the OT! Check it out for yourself!!
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I know that a lot of people, especially white people will be offended and outraged, but please, I mentioned specificly FAITHLESS SAVAGE once!!

I never mean those good people of faith and understanding and peace loving once.

If there is something you do not like about my statement, that is your own problem, I am not coming up with any lie, these are all established facts, go search, read and ask even around you!

If you are annoyed with what I said then do not attack my religion, swear at us and offend us.

Remember "IF YOUR HOUSE IS MADE OF GLASS? DO NOT THROUGH STONES AT PEOPLE"
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And last, regarding terrorism here that for all of you: www.youtube.com/watch...

Part 2: http://www. youtube.com/watch...

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Ahmed wrote:
Invading the middleeast, REMEMBER, the Crusaders?!
Ahmed, you might not want to go there. People might point to history showing the Arabs *invading* loads of countries, which amongst others *triggered* the crusades.

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Remember "IF YOUR HOUSE IS MADE OF GLASS? DO NOT THROUGH STONES AT PEOPLE"
Odd, then, that you continue to throw stones!
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Marco said:

Ahmed, you might not want to go there. People might point to history showing the Arabs *invading* loads of countries, which amongst others *triggered* the crusades.

Point out any country where Arabs have invaded or even attacked that caused the triggered the crusades!

Any country invaded by Arabs there own inhabitants would speak Arabic as official language as the White invaders did in the countries mentioned above!!

For your own information it was those Arab Muslims immigrants to Egypt who freed the Egyptians from the dictator Romans, no wonder millions loved them and embraced Islam and even learned Arabic!

Try to study history of the middle east and see for yourself!

Muslims ruled India for 1000 years and then there were no such thing as Pakistan or Bangladesh! It was one whole country and people lived together peacefully side by side regardless of their faiths!

And you know what Muslims who ruled India were only less than 1/4 of the Indian population!

We have our embarrassing black sheep! For example, the Turkish Muslims invaded Hungary and ruled it for over 150 years, they did that in revenge of the crusades (Hungary was a powerful Empire). However, when the empire was down, people were surprised that the Turks never forced the to embrace Islam (otherwise out of the 10 million Hungarian you wouldn't find only 8000 Hungarian Muslim), and even never took the tax (there is tax system in Islam with about a minimum of 2.5%) from Hungarians the same way their own emperor did with them! There lived happily and even learned from the Turks architecture, Turks even developed and improved their education and build a lot of nice Turkish baths and forts, even today Hungarian tourism makes living from these beautiful places!

A Hungarian Historian told me all these facts.

Anyways History repeats itself. Check it out

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Ahmed wrote:
Marco said:
Ahmed, you might not want to go there. People might point to history showing the Arabs *invading* loads of countries, which amongst others *triggered* the crusades.
Point out any country where Arabs have invaded or even attacked that caused the triggered the crusades!
How about, oh, say, Israel? Oh wait, the first crusade was actually because of the Seljuk Turks (who did not speak Arabic) invading.
Ahmed wrote:
Any country invaded by Arabs there own inhabitants would speak Arabic as official language as the White invaders did in the countries mentioned above!!
Really? So the Egyptians were talking Arab before the Arab invasion? Oddly then that they didn't make Arab the official language until many, many, many centuries later!
And I think the people originally living in Morocco, Algeria, Libya, and Tunesia also will beg to differ with that claim.
Ahmed wrote:
For your own information it was those Arab Muslims immigrants to Egypt who freed the Egyptians from the dictator Romans, no wonder millions loved them and embraced Islam and even learned Arabic!
You mean the Arabs slowly minimized the population that didn't speak Arabic and/or wasn't muslim. For three centuries the native population has on frequent occasions fought the Arab invaders. The islamization was at least in part caused by the fact that being non-muslim made you a second-class citizen who was repressed. Becoming muslim made life a lot easier.

And funnily enough, Egypt also the prime example of how your first claim was false: the original Egyptian language was much, much different from Arabic.
Ahmed wrote:
Try to study history of the middle east and see for yourself!
Muslims ruled India for 1000 years and then there were no such thing as Pakistan or Bangladesh! It was one whole country and people lived together peacefully side by side regardless of their faiths!
You are asking *me* to read up on history, and then refer to India?

That "peacefully" living side by side is presently only seen in Hindu-controlled India (non-muslims are for the most part second-class citizens in Bangladesh and especially Pakistan), and the muslim rulers by and large hardly ever controlled most of India, but only subparts. Some rulers were OK, others performed mass murder of non-muslims. Some estimate tens of millions slaughtered by your fellow religious zealots.

Funny enough, the one group that DID rule most of India (including Pakistan and Bangladesh) was the Mughal Empire, invaders (oh! Gasp!) from Mongolian descent. Odd how you complain about invasions, and then *laud* invasions!
Ahmed wrote:
We have our embarrassing black sheep! For example, the Turkish Muslims invaded Hungary and ruled it for over 150 years, they did that in revenge of the crusades (Hungary was a powerful Empire).
Ah yes, revenge for the crusades! Now, where the crusades then not revenge for the Turkish hordes invading the Middle East and Turkey?

It's interesting how you ignored the rule of the Ottomans (not Arabic speaking) over most of the Middle East, and complain about others. But I know, those others were non-muslims, and thus evil...
Ahmed wrote:
However, when the empire was down, people were surprised that the Turks never forced the to embrace Islam (otherwise out of the 10 million Hungarian you wouldn't find only 8000 Hungarian Muslim), and even never took the tax (there is tax system in Islam with about a minimum of 2.5%) from Hungarians the same way their own emperor did with them! There lived happily and even learned from the Turks architecture, Turks even developed and improved their education and build a lot of nice Turkish baths and forts, even today Hungarian tourism makes living from these beautiful places!
A Hungarian Historian told me all these facts.
Anyways History repeats itself. Check it out
Ottoman Hungary had less than a million inhabitants. Think about that.

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Ahmed wrote:
I am not surprised about that!
Before you ask us Muslims to clean our act why don't you start with yourself!
“Thank you GOD for JESUS” Do you think that Jesus will even look at you at all if he comes to this Earth?
Do you think that he will be pleased to see drunken people, taking all kinds of drugs, adultering, fornicating, with the worst sexual transmitted diseases.
You don't want me to count all the criminal acts you have in the west (especially murder).
If you and all the other faithless anti-islam think that Islam should cleaned up for all people in the world to live peacefully, you are wrong!
If you want to spread freedom around the world then start with your own western countries.
If the concept is to get a nation cleaned for the sake of mankind well according to your concept this nation would be what I call "The White Savage Faithless Invadors"
You read it right!
It is you faithless white people who invaded north America, and killed hundreds of millions of red indians who are the real inhabitants, took into slavery from Africa hundreds of Africans and torture them and kill them.
Invading Australia and killing millions of innocent inhabitants.
Invading South Africa and even other parts of Africa!
Invading India and killing millions of Indians, Invading South America!
Invading the middleeast, REMEMBER, the Crusaders?!
Do you know that if I want to go to Australia or Canada I should apply for the via at the British Embassy?!!!!!
If you want to promote peace and freedom start with yourselves and give back these lands to its real owners, LEAVE and GO back to UK, France and Spain.
If you want a clean up of a nation for the sake of mankinf I would say the "WHITE FAITHLESS SAVAGE CRUSADER INVADORS" should be WIPED OUT from the face of Earth.
And when I say Crusaders I do not say Christians. True Christians and Christianity are innocent of your acts.
Before opening your mouth about our world or religion check your own bloody heritage, look at your own grand parents!
You are the kind of people Jesus (PBOH) described in the OT! Check it out for yourself!!
Peace Be Upon All the Prophets ~ and let us all clean up our ACTs?

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