Dr Zakir Naik invites Pope Benedict XVI for open interfaith dia...

Friday September 29, 2006 JEDDAH: Eminent scholar of comparative religion Dr. Zakir Naik has invited Pope Benedict XVI for an open inter-faith dialogue. Full Story
Faith

Tulsa, OK

#27 Oct 10, 2006
EleWM wrote:
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can you tell us why the Jordanian government slaugtered about 40 thousand Palestian refugees who were in camps in Jordan? IN all the years of war between Israel and the Palestinians, the jews have not killed even half that number. Please explain why that slaugther does not even seem to be your range of concerns....
Your figures are way off b/c you got them from a Jewish source. You could've pick up an encyclopeida and found that the figure is around 3000. Can you see the different between 40,000 and 3000? And that was not Muslims killing Muslims. That was just one King causing the violence.
Faith

Tulsa, OK

#28 Oct 10, 2006
Answer to you marco
You said:"Israel has killed about 5000 civilians in 58 years of fighting Palestinian terrorism and external attacks on its sovereignty."

Again, let me correct your information. Palestinians killed by Israel from 2000 to 2005 alone are 4171 and you are talking about since 1958.

You said: "Suicide bombers started in 1980. And you know what? There wasn't all that much violence before that time."

So during that time all the Palestinians who died, you don't consider that violence?

I was waiting for the answer when I said many councils of UN condemn Israrel. You couldn't come up with an illogical argument for that...?
Marco

Lyngby, Denmark

#29 Oct 10, 2006
Najeeb wrote:
Whatever Dr. Zakir Naik speaks is backed by reference, be it bible, quran or any other scripture. Pope dont have enough knowledge, faith and courage to have a dialog with him.
Zakir Naik is a showman. He has a way with words, and doesn't mind taking a few out of context. In his infamous discussion with Campbell he quoted Einstein, but apparently didn't understand what Einstein was talking about...
Marco

Lyngby, Denmark

#30 Oct 10, 2006
Faith wrote:
Answer to you marco
You said:"Israel has killed about 5000 civilians in 58 years of fighting Palestinian terrorism and external attacks on its sovereignty."
Again, let me correct your information. Palestinians killed by Israel from 2000 to 2005 alone are 4171 and you are talking about since 1958.
You are taking all the combattants into the equation. Those that run around with weapons, shooting at Israelis, preparing suicide attacks, etc.

Before that time, and I do exclude external wars, Israel has hardly killed any civilian Palestinians.
Faith wrote:
You said: "Suicide bombers started in 1980. And you know what? There wasn't all that much violence before that time."
So during that time all the Palestinians who died, you don't consider that violence?
I consider that a regrettable side-effect of one (or rather, several) countries attacking another. The vast majority of Palestinians killed prior to the Al Aqsa Intifada were killed during attempted invasions by Arab countries. An army that invades through cities is bound to lead to the adversary killing civilians in the process of repelling that army.
Faith wrote:
I was waiting for the answer when I said many councils of UN condemn Israrel. You couldn't come up with an illogical argument for that...?
Well, sorry for not having illogical arguments for that. I gave, as always LOGICAL arguments for that already. If you want an illogical argument, here it is: because they actually wished Israel would kill a few more Palestinians. If they'd all be gone, all that nonsense about Palestinians would finally stop, and the Middle East can stop complaining about the Palestinians being treated so badly.
EleWM

Gadsden, AL

#31 Oct 10, 2006
Najeeb wrote:
Whatever Dr. Zakir Naik speaks is backed by reference, be it bible, quran or any other scripture. Pope dont have enough knowledge, faith and courage to have a dialog with him.
The Pope is one of the most educated men in the world. There is no doubt that he knows the Bible and the Qur'an word by word by heart. I have no doubt that he knows the major Hadiths and Sunnah too.

Your Dr. Zakir Naik is bit player who spreads lies and distorts the truth. The Pope has no need to meet with him. The Pope meets with leaders of other relgions and other nations... not with self-important pseudo intellectuals with agendas
faith

Tulsa, OK

#32 Oct 10, 2006
EleWM wrote:
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The Pope is one of the most educated men in the world. There is no doubt that he knows the Bible and the Qur'an word by word by heart. I have no doubt that he knows the major Hadiths and Sunnah too.
Your Dr. Zakir Naik is bit player who spreads lies and distorts the truth. The Pope has no need to meet with him. The Pope meets with leaders of other relgions and other nations... not with self-important pseudo intellectuals with agendas
If he had read Quran by heart, he wouldn't be a Pope.
When you say he doesn't need to meet with Dr. Naik, it shows that you don't have confindence that the Pope would actually win the argument. Or he is even able to have an informed educated argument.
faith

Tulsa, OK

#33 Oct 10, 2006
marco:"You are taking all the combattants into the equation. "

I was taking civilans into consideration.

"If they'd all be gone, all that nonsense about
Palestinians would finally stop, and the Middle East can stop complaining about the Palestinians being treated so badly. "

This argument shows your mentality right there. That is all I wanted to get out of you. Finally you said what you were trying to hide behind your illogical arguments to support killing innocent people. I don't think I need to argue with you any more.

And for everyone else who thinks that there is no killing of the Palestinians, please go to this website. It may help you realize how wrong you are.
www.ifamericansknew.com
Marco

Lyngby, Denmark

#34 Oct 10, 2006
faith wrote:
marco:"You are taking all the combattants into the equation. "
I was taking civilans into consideration.
AND added the combattants. The site you refer to refers to the Palestinian red crescent, which only lists "deaths". Not who or what those people were. Not even WHO killed them!
faith wrote:
"If they'd all be gone, all that nonsense about
Palestinians would finally stop, and the Middle East can stop complaining about the Palestinians being treated so badly. "
This argument shows your mentality right there.
Typical. You asked for an ILlogical argument. I gave you one. Taking things out of context, a typical way of discussing when you have no response to all other arguments.
faith wrote:
That is all I wanted to get out of you. Finally you said what you were trying to hide behind your illogical arguments to support killing innocent people. I don't think I need to argue with you any more.
You have failed to condemn the DELIBERATE targeting of Israeli civilians by Palestinian suicide bombers, Hizballah rockets, and Palestinian rockets. At least the Israeli army tries to prevent civilian deaths, but there is no way of preventing civilian deaths when those Palestinian 'martyrs' hide amongst their own population, shoot from there.

Then again, I shouldn't be surprised. You have already indicated that you support muslims, whatever they do.
faith wrote:
And for everyone else who thinks that there is no killing of the Palestinians, please go to this website. It may help you realize how wrong you are.
www.ifamericansknew.com
Ah yes, and those poor Palestinians are sooo right to walk into a disco and pull the cord.
Alif

Singapore, Singapore

#35 Oct 11, 2006
i one day watched a T.V. programme on Peace T.V. Islamic Channel and he said the day Prophet Mohammad was born the Islamic Bonb came into existance.

From this you can judge that Zakir Naik has no respect for the founder of his ideology and how can one blame the press and the electronic media for making cartoons and jokes of his Prophet.
faith

Tulsa, OK

#37 Oct 11, 2006
Mr Cool wrote:
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Muham-mad IS a bad taste joke.so why not bash, criticise and make fun of him?
If you can't respect a Prophet, then that tells alot about your character. You think that you are degrading them but you are actually degrading yourself.
Marco

Lyngby, Denmark

#38 Oct 11, 2006
faith wrote:
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If you can't respect a Prophet, then that tells alot about your character. You think that you are degrading them but you are actually degrading yourself.
You make a cardinal mistake: to Mr. Cool Muhammed isn't a prophet. There is no reason to respect someone just because he is considered a prophet by others. It is not other people's opinions that matter, it is your own opinions that do. And Mr. Cool considers Muhammed as an evil person, which automatically precludes him to respect Muhammed.
reformed democrat

Springfield, VA

#40 Oct 11, 2006
Marco wrote:
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You asked for it, you'll get my argumentation. Let's see what kind of hysterial reaction or get. Or none, that's the two types of reactions I got so far from muslims:
You complain about invasions of countries, robbing resources, and changing governments to democracies. Well, the US has done two of those recently: Iraq and Afghanistan. Whoe were removed? Saddam Hussein and the Taliban. What came in their place? Democracies. Apparently, you consider this a problem.
Stealing resources is a funny one. Afghanistan has just about zero resources to 'steal', and the US has already spent more money in Iraq than it can ever 'steal' in oil in over twenty years!
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Oh, buhu. Another muslim who portrays herself as an innocent victim who is completely helpless. 15% of the Iraqi population had 85% of the remained under control. 5% of the Saudi population controls 95% of the rest. Even in Iran the majority apparently disagrees with their own government. And when one of those is helped by another country to finally create a more fair representation of its population, there we go, muslims cry "foul !".
Muslims let themselves be victimized by their own, and then blame someone else. We've seen that kind of behaviour before. And don't think I don't know. My knowledge of political games played in the past and in the present is not based on what the media says. I have better sources for that.
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There we go, Israel is taken as the example again. Well, try and count all the deaths that Israel has caused in 58 years, remove the armed people it killed, and then compare that to one month(!) in Sudan or Iraq of muslims killing muslims. Oh, oops...
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I don't define a terrorist like that. I define a terrorist as someone who deliberately targets innocent civilians. Israel does plenty to prevent civilians deaths. If it wouldn't, there wouldn't be a Palestinian in Gaza or Westbank. Compare that to people who walk into a bar or bus or disco with a bomb belt.
excellent post!

BRAVA!!!
reformed democrat

Springfield, VA

#41 Oct 11, 2006
faith wrote:
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If you can't respect a Prophet, then that tells alot about your character. You think that you are degrading them but you are actually degrading yourself.
your prophet was a moron who was deceived by the devil.

Islam is the religion of the devil

what other religion promotes hatred, murder, torture and slavery?

if it was Gods word why is every Islamic country a cesspool of misery?

Israel is the only country in the middle east, who has no oil, but yet is prosperous and has contributed to the world.

what has any Islamic country contributed except war torture and misery?

by being muslim, you are doing the devils work.
zoompad

Stafford, UK

#42 Oct 11, 2006
faith wrote:
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If you can't respect a Prophet, then that tells alot about your character. You think that you are degrading them but you are actually degrading yourself.
No, Mr Cool is just telling the truth. Seems a lot of people on this forum don't like hearing the truth.
Alif

Singapore, Singapore

#43 Oct 12, 2006
Bash the mad followers and ridicule them to total insanity or come to their senses about respecting others first in order to get respect.
fred

Honolulu, HI

#44 Oct 12, 2006
faith wrote:
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If you can't respect a Prophet, then that tells alot about your character. You think that you are degrading them but you are actually degrading yourself.
respect a warlord and a pedophile? is there some reason to? I mean besides that the muslims will kill me if I dont respect their pedophile?
Alif

Singapore, Singapore

#45 Oct 12, 2006
For muzzies they are thought to ignore bad qualities and only talk of the good ones or death.
reformed democrat

Springfield, VA

#46 Oct 12, 2006
Faith wrote:
Answer to you marco
You said:"Israel has killed about 5000 civilians in 58 years of fighting Palestinian terrorism and external attacks on its sovereignty."
Again, let me correct your information. Palestinians killed by Israel from 2000 to 2005 alone are 4171 and you are talking about since 1958.
You said: "Suicide bombers started in 1980. And you know what? There wasn't all that much violence before that time."
So during that time all the Palestinians who died, you don't consider that violence?
I was waiting for the answer when I said many councils of UN condemn Israrel. You couldn't come up with an illogical argument for that...?
do you have any idea what countries sit or have sat on the UN Human rights commision?

this is very interresting.
LMAO

Cuba, libya Sudan, China,Zimbabwe, Uganda, Sierra Leone, and Togo,Syria, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, and Vietnam, all countries with very poor human rights records

in may of 2001 The United States was voted off the U.N. human rights commission by the above countries!

does anyone think these countries are capable of judging israel fairly?
faith

Tulsa, OK

#48 Oct 12, 2006
(Quran: 2: 1-15)

"1 ALIF, Lam, Mim.

2 This Scripture(Quran) there is no doubt in it, is a Guidance for the reverent

3 who believe in the Unseen, and establish the Salat, and out of what We have provided them with, they do spend;

4 and who believe in what has been revealed to you (Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him)), and in what was revealed before you (to the other Prophets (Peace Be Upon Them)), and regarding the Hereafter they firmly believe.

5 These are upon Guidance from their Rabb(God), and these are themselves the successful.

6 surely those who reject Faith it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them they will not believe.

7 Allah has set a seal upon their hearts, and upon their hearing, and upon their sight is a veil; and for them is a great chastisement.

8 And of mankind there are some who say: We believe in Allah and in the Future Day, but they are not at all Believers.

9 Feign would they deceive Allah and those who believe. But they do not deceive any except themselves, and they do not perceive.

10 In their hearts is a disease, so Allah increased to them the disease, and for them is a painful punishment because they used to belie.

11 And when it is said to them : Do not make mischief in the earth, they say : Verily we are in fact peacemakers.

12 Is it not that they themselves are the mischief-makers? But they do not perceive.

13 And when it is said to them: Believe as the people believe, they say: Shall we believe as the fools have believed? Is it not that surely they are themselves the fools? But they do not know.

14 And when they meet those who believe, they say: We believe. But when they are alone with their Evil-ones, they say: We are really with you, we by ourselves were only mocking.

15 Allah throws back the mockery on them, and leaves them along in their trespasses blindly wandering on."
oriana

Springfield, VA

#50 Oct 12, 2006
faith wrote:
(Quran: 2: 1-15)
"1 ALIF, Lam, Mim.
2 This Scripture(Quran) there is no doubt in it, is a Guidance for the reverent
3 who believe in the Unseen, and establish the Salat, and out of what We have provided them with, they do spend;
4 and who believe in what has been revealed to you (Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him)), and in what was revealed before you (to the other Prophets (Peace Be Upon Them)), and regarding the Hereafter they firmly believe.
5 These are upon Guidance from their Rabb(God), and these are themselves the successful.
6 surely those who reject Faith it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them they will not believe.
7 Allah has set a seal upon their hearts, and upon their hearing, and upon their sight is a veil; and for them is a great chastisement.
8 And of mankind there are some who say: We believe in Allah and in the Future Day, but they are not at all Believers.
9 Feign would they deceive Allah and those who believe. But they do not deceive any except themselves, and they do not perceive.
10 In their hearts is a disease, so Allah increased to them the disease, and for them is a painful punishment because they used to belie.
11 And when it is said to them : Do not make mischief in the earth, they say : Verily we are in fact peacemakers.
12 Is it not that they themselves are the mischief-makers? But they do not perceive.
13 And when it is said to them: Believe as the people believe, they say: Shall we believe as the fools have believed? Is it not that surely they are themselves the fools? But they do not know.
14 And when they meet those who believe, they say: We believe. But when they are alone with their Evil-ones, they say: We are really with you, we by ourselves were only mocking.
15 Allah throws back the mockery on them, and leaves them along in their trespasses blindly wandering on."
if islam is so wonderful why is every islamic country a cesspoll of hatred, violence, terroris, murder, torture and misery?

I really wish a muslim would answer this question for me.

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