Dr Zakir Naik invites Pope Benedict XVI for open interfaith dia...

Friday September 29, 2006 JEDDAH: Eminent scholar of comparative religion Dr. Zakir Naik has invited Pope Benedict XVI for an open inter-faith dialogue. Full Story
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Brian G

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#1 Oct 5, 2006
I am sure that Pope will accept this and show to the whole world that his comments on Islam are genuine.
EleWM

Gadsden, AL

#2 Oct 5, 2006
Brian G wrote:
I am sure that Pope will accept this and show to the whole world that his comments on Islam are genuine.
The Pope beat him to is a while back as he has already invited the leaders of Islam to meet with him. the meeting might have already happened.
muslima

Dubai, UAE

#4 Oct 6, 2006
The pope will apologize after the discussion , Im 100% sure.
EleWM

Gadsden, AL

#5 Oct 6, 2006
muslima wrote:
The pope will apologize after the discussion , Im 100% sure.
The Pope has nothing to appologize for. He stated a historical fact.
muslima

UAE

#6 Oct 6, 2006
EleWM wrote:
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The Pope has nothing to appologize for. He stated a historical fact.
A history fact which was diformed by non Muslims.
EleWM

Gadsden, AL

#7 Oct 6, 2006
muslima wrote:
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A history fact which was diformed by non Muslims.
I do not know what 'diformed' means...

Do you mean that it was a lie?

Manuel II was commenting on why Muslism were once again attacking Constantinople. It seems to me that he had a lot of reasons to be very upset.. the attacks by Muslim armies on Constantinople started in about 1025 and ended in about 1450 when Muslims finally captured the city and killed almost eveyone in it.

So what is it you are trying to tell us?
dud fivers UK

UK

#8 Oct 6, 2006
EleWM wrote:
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I do not know what 'diformed' means...
Do you mean that it was a lie?
Manuel II was commenting on why Muslism were once again attacking Constantinople. It seems to me that he had a lot of reasons to be very upset.. the attacks by Muslim armies on Constantinople started in about 1025 and ended in about 1450 when Muslims finally captured the city and killed almost eveyone in it.
So what is it you are trying to tell us?
You should know by now that even in the 15th century, it was not allowed to criticise the peaceful Moslems even when they were murdering your subjects and burning your cities. You must not bring the subject up again or the peace lovers will issue death threats.
Latest from UK --- a peaceful muslim mob has attacked people in Windsor, england, because they were denied planning permission for a mosque. Also Jac Straw has said Muslem women should not wear veils -- wait for the peaceful bombings and death threats!
faith

Tulsa, OK

#11 Oct 9, 2006
I really want this discussion to happen. But I doubt if the Pope will ever accept the open interfaith discussion happening in front of the entire world. I am sure he does not want to embaress himself. But out of the blue, if he accepts the invitation, he will immediately realize how wrong he is. There is no appology needed; the goal is to make him realize that he was wrong.
And for the people who say that Muslims are violent and why are they acting so violent if we are helping Israel kill them and sending our troops in Muslim countries to take over their land, those people should first find good authentic sources of inform before saying anything. Their source is limited to FOXNEWS, etc.
“I am a Muslim”
Kill me and call it
“Collateral Damage”
Imprison me and call it
“Security Measure”
Exile my people en masse and call it
“New Middle East”
Rob my resources, Invade my land,
Alter my leadership and call it
“Democracy”
This is called extreme Hypocrisy.
Marco

Lyngby, Denmark

#12 Oct 9, 2006
faith wrote:
I really want this discussion to happen. But I doubt if the Pope will ever accept the open interfaith discussion happening in front of the entire world. I am sure he does not want to embaress himself. But out of the blue, if he accepts the invitation, he will immediately realize how wrong he is. There is no appology needed; the goal is to make him realize that he was wrong.
And for the people who say that Muslims are violent and why are they acting so violent if we are helping Israel kill them and sending our troops in Muslim countries to take over their land, those people should first find good authentic sources of inform before saying anything. Their source is limited to FOXNEWS, etc.
“I am a Muslim”
Kill me and call it
“Collateral Damage”
Imprison me and call it
“Security Measure”
Exile my people en masse and call it
“New Middle East”
Rob my resources, Invade my land,
Alter my leadership and call it
“Democracy”
This is called extreme Hypocrisy.
And another muslim who supports Saddam Hussein and the Taliban...
drippz LIVING LEGAND

Stouffville, Canada

#13 Oct 9, 2006
WHO CARES ABOUT THE POPE
NOT ME
faith

Tulsa, OK

#14 Oct 9, 2006
Marco wrote:
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And another muslim who supports Saddam Hussein and the Taliban...
Come up with a better argument than this. What did I say that made you think that I support Saddam Hussein or the Taliban.

You use your ignorance as an excuse to say things that are not even true. Again, I will make a polite request to you. Please do some research on how the Muslims are becoming the victims of political agendas. Stop looking at everything from one perspective. Humans don't live only the Western countries. People living in other parts of the world are also human beings. Israel drops bombs at palestinians and violate human rights every day but you don't think thats a terrorist act, like those people deserve to be killed.

If you define a terrorist as somebody who violates human rights and kills innocent people then why do you not hold Israel as terrorist.

Again, please stop this hypocrisy and try to find out the truth.
Marco

Lyngby, Denmark

#15 Oct 9, 2006
faith wrote:
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Come up with a better argument than this. What did I say that made you think that I support Saddam Hussein or the Taliban.
You asked for it, you'll get my argumentation. Let's see what kind of hysterial reaction or get. Or none, that's the two types of reactions I got so far from muslims:
You complain about invasions of countries, robbing resources, and changing governments to democracies. Well, the US has done two of those recently: Iraq and Afghanistan. Whoe were removed? Saddam Hussein and the Taliban. What came in their place? Democracies. Apparently, you consider this a problem.

Stealing resources is a funny one. Afghanistan has just about zero resources to 'steal', and the US has already spent more money in Iraq than it can ever 'steal' in oil in over twenty years!
faith wrote:
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You use your ignorance as an excuse to say things that are not even true. Again, I will make a polite request to you. Please do some research on how the Muslims are becoming the victims of political agendas.
Oh, buhu. Another muslim who portrays herself as an innocent victim who is completely helpless. 15% of the Iraqi population had 85% of the remained under control. 5% of the Saudi population controls 95% of the rest. Even in Iran the majority apparently disagrees with their own government. And when one of those is helped by another country to finally create a more fair representation of its population, there we go, muslims cry "foul !".

Muslims let themselves be victimized by their own, and then blame someone else. We've seen that kind of behaviour before. And don't think I don't know. My knowledge of political games played in the past and in the present is not based on what the media says. I have better sources for that.
faith wrote:
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Stop looking at everything from one perspective. Humans don't live only the Western countries. People living in other parts of the world are also human beings. Israel drops bombs at palestinians and violate human rights every day but you don't think thats a terrorist act, like those people deserve to be killed.
There we go, Israel is taken as the example again. Well, try and count all the deaths that Israel has caused in 58 years, remove the armed people it killed, and then compare that to one month(!) in Sudan or Iraq of muslims killing muslims. Oh, oops...
faith wrote:
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If you define a terrorist as somebody who violates human rights and kills innocent people then why do you not hold Israel as terrorist.
Again, please stop this hypocrisy and try to find out the truth.
I don't define a terrorist like that. I define a terrorist as someone who deliberately targets innocent civilians. Israel does plenty to prevent civilians deaths. If it wouldn't, there wouldn't be a Palestinian in Gaza or Westbank. Compare that to people who walk into a bar or bus or disco with a bomb belt.
faith

Tulsa, OK

#16 Oct 9, 2006
Marco wrote:
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You complain about invasions of countries, robbing resources, and changing governments to democracies. Well, the US has done two of those recently: Iraq and Afghanistan. Whoe were removed? Saddam Hussein and the Taliban. What came in their place? Democracies. Apparently, you consider this a problem.

You talk about democracy. Ask the people who are from Iraq, again not your news channel. Ask the Iraqis how peacefully they are living in their own country. Do you know what they say? They say that when Saddam was in control, we had no rights, but we could live there. They could have jobs, their kids could go to school as long as they didn't mess with him. But now, thanks to armies to build the so called democarcy there. They say that they can't live there without having their kids getting kidnapped or without having the fear of their life. I am not an Iraqi but I believe the people who belong to that country rather than fabricating imaginations of great democracy that does not even exist.

Stealing resources is a funny one. Afghanistan has just about zero resources to 'steal', and the US has already spent more money in Iraq than it can ever 'steal' in oil in over twenty years!
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So you know how much oil Iraq has. I don't know which country you belong to but I hope that you get a taste of some foreign army invading your land. Then I will ask you how it feels to be taken over with fake reasons like to creating democracy or preventing the weapons of massive destruction (which the President still has not been able to prove that they ever existed....U.N. is still waiting..but who cares about UN.. right?).

15% of the Iraqi population had 85% of the remained under control. 5% of the Saudi population controls 95% of the rest.......there we go, muslims cry "foul !".

You want to talk about the unity of the Muslims. I am not an Iraq or Afghani or Palestenian but I would always stand up for their rights without anyone's fear or without thinking that who cares since its not happening in my country. And Muslims all around the globe feel and do the same thing.

count all the deaths that Israel has caused in 58 years, remove the armed people it killed, and then compare that to one month(!) in Sudan or Iraq of muslims killing muslims. Oh, oops...
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Count for me, since I dont know the math. Muslims killing Muslim in Iraq....yeah whatever. it didn't start until the foreign army went in their and started to divide and conquere, thanks to the democracy they are building right now. And people like you say Muslims have these bombers that are killing so many inncocent people. these bombers didn't come until the 90s. Then who was causing the violence for over 50 years in the Middle East before that. Why did no one stood up for democracy then and even now for the Palestenians. You think the root cause of violence are the suicide bombers. You can kill their entire group and sometime later another group will arise out of desperation. This issue cannot be resolved until the Palestenians are given their rights. I am not saying with the bombers are doing is right but I agree with their purpose of giving their Muslims brothers and sisters their rights. And until those rights are given, the violence cannnot stop.

Israel does plenty to prevent civilians deaths. If it wouldn't, there wouldn't be a Palestinian in Gaza or Westbank. Compare that to people who walk into a bar or bus or disco with a bomb belt.
Israel is preventing civilians deaths? You are absolutely right. It is preventing deaths of the Israelis but killing the Palestenians b/c they are not human beings. Have you read what UN says about Israel saving lives:
"UN rights council rebukes Israel for human rights violations in Lebanon"
"UN Human Rights Council Condemns Israel"
"Israel Violating International Law"
Now you will say that even the UN is wrong.
faith

Tulsa, OK

#17 Oct 9, 2006
Ignore the previous post. It shows my comments as your comments. Here are my answers to your ARGUMENTS

You talk about democracy. Ask the people who are from Iraq, again not your news channel. Ask the Iraqis how peacefully they are living in their own country. Do you know what they say? They say that when Saddam was in control, we had no rights, but we could live there. They could have jobs, their kids could go to school as long as they didn't mess with him. But now, thanks to armies to build the so called democarcy there. They say that they can't live there without having their kids getting kidnapped or without having the fear of their life. I am not an Iraqi but I believe the people who belong to that country rather than fabricating imaginations of great democracy that does not even exist.

So you know how much oil Iraq has. I don't know which country you belong to but I hope that you get a taste of some foreign army invading your land. Then I will ask you how it feels to be taken over with fake reasons like to creating democracy or preventing the weapons of massive destruction (which the President still has not been able to prove that they ever existed....U.N. is still waiting..but who cares about UN.. right?).

You want to talk about the unity of the Muslims. I am not an Iraq or Afghani or Palestenian but I would always stand up for their rights without anyone's fear or without thinking that who cares since its not happening in my country. And Muslims all around the globe feel and do the same thing.

Count for me, since I dont know the math. Muslims killing Muslim in Iraq....yeah whatever. it didn't start until the foreign army went in their and started to divide and conquere, thanks to the democracy they are building right now. And people like you say Muslims have these bombers that are killing so many inncocent people. these bombers didn't come until the 90s. Then who was causing the violence for over 50 years in the Middle East before that. Why did no one stood up for democracy then and even now for the Palestenians. You think the root cause of violence are the suicide bombers. You can kill their entire group and sometime later another group will arise out of desperation. This issue cannot be resolved until the Palestenians are given their rights. I am not saying with the bombers are doing is right but I agree with their purpose of giving their Muslims brothers and sisters their rights. And until those rights are given, the violence cannnot stop.

Israel is preventing civilians deaths? You are absolutely right. It is preventing deaths of the Israelis but killing the Palestenians b/c they are not human beings. Have you read what UN says about Israel saving lives:"UN rights council rebukes Israel for human rights violations in Lebanon""UN Human Rights Council Condemns Israel""Israel Violating International Law"
Now you will say that even the UN is wrong.
Marco

Lyngby, Denmark

#19 Oct 9, 2006
faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Israel is preventing civilians deaths? You are absolutely right. It is preventing deaths of the Israelis but killing the Palestenians b/c they are not human beings. Have you read what UN says about Israel saving lives:
"UN rights council rebukes Israel for human rights violations in Lebanon"
"UN Human Rights Council Condemns Israel"
"Israel Violating International Law"
Now you will say that even the UN is wrong.
Don't tell me about the UN. Been there, done that, wasn't impressed. The OIC will do everything in its power to condemn Israel and bullies others to agree with it. Of course, it also does everything in its power to prevent Sudan being accused of genocide, or even a UN security force going there. Morocco is occupying Western Sahara for centuries already. Thousands of people have been killed, civilians have been deported, and a relocation of Moroccan citizens has taken place. Where's the condemnation of all of this? Guess waht, there isn't, because the Arab League finds all of that "normal".
Marco

Lyngby, Denmark

#20 Oct 9, 2006
faith wrote:
You talk about democracy. Ask the people who are from Iraq, again not your news channel. Ask the Iraqis how peacefully they are living in their own country. Do you know what they say? They say that when Saddam was in control, we had no rights, but we could live there. They could have jobs, their kids could go to school as long as they didn't mess with him. But now, thanks to armies to build the so called democarcy there. They say that they can't live there without having their kids getting kidnapped or without having the fear of their life. I am not an Iraqi but I believe the people who belong to that country rather than fabricating imaginations of great democracy that does not even exist.
And guess who prevents that democracy to be build there? MUSLIMS. Your dear friendly 'brothers' killing their 'brothers' by the thousands every month because, well, because they try to make something of their life...
And you may want to try and talk to the Kurds. They will tell you a completely different story from what you hear in your islamic media.
faith wrote:
So you know how much oil Iraq has. I don't know which country you belong to but I hope that you get a taste of some foreign army invading your land. Then I will ask you how it feels to be taken over with fake reasons like to creating democracy or preventing the weapons of massive destruction (which the President still has not been able to prove that they ever existed....U.N. is still waiting..but who cares about UN.. right?).
I'd be the first on the street if a foreign army comes to remove an evil dictator who kills people by the thousands. In fact, several of my family members where the first to hit the streets when the Canadian army rolled into their village.
And while the US made a mistake regarding the WMDs in Iraq, even Hans Blix clearly stated that Hussein was in violation of the agreements.
faith wrote:
You want to talk about the unity of the Muslims. I am not an Iraq or Afghani or Palestenian but I would always stand up for their rights without anyone's fear or without thinking that who cares since its not happening in my country. And Muslims all around the globe feel and do the same thing.
Yes, I know a muslim will always defend a muslim, whatever they do. Committing terrorism? You say "bad muslim", country fighting terrorism: you scream "JIHAD".
faith wrote:
Count for me, since I dont know the math.
Israel has killed about 5000 civilians in 58 years of fighting Palestinian terrorism and external attacks on its sovereignty.
faith wrote:
Muslims killing Muslim in Iraq....yeah whatever. it didn't start until the foreign army went in their and started to divide and conquere, thanks to the democracy they are building right now.
Conveniently forgetting the hundreds of thousands of muslims killed by Saddam Hussein. But well, who cares for those Shi'a. Infidels anyway. And those Kurds are troublemakers, too.
faith wrote:
And people like you say Muslims have these bombers that are killing so many inncocent people. these bombers didn't come until the 90s. Then who was causing the violence for over 50 years in the Middle East before that.
Suicide bombers started in 1980. And you know what? There wasn't all that much violence before that time.
faith wrote:
Why did no one stood up for democracy then and even now for the Palestenians.
People DID stand up for democracy. But there were plenty of other wars going on, peopple hoped the Middle East would find out for itself. And now that the Palestinians have some rudimentary democracy, they put a group into power that doesn't want peace...
Marco

Lyngby, Denmark

#21 Oct 9, 2006
faith wrote:
You think the root cause of violence are the suicide bombers.
No I don't. The root cause of violence is people who want power and use others to gain it. An example: the Arab League has ordered the Arab countries not to allow Palestinians to gain citizenship, because that might weaken their struggle to want to return. In other words: keep the Palestinians poor and as second rate citizens.
faith wrote:
You can kill their entire group and sometime later another group will arise out of desperation. This issue cannot be resolved until the Palestenians are given their rights. I am not saying with the bombers are doing is right but I agree with their purpose of giving their Muslims brothers and sisters their rights. And until those rights are given, the violence cannnot stop.
You are either really naive, or you want Israel disappear from the map. The ONLY 'solution' in the eyes of many muslims is that all Palestinians can 'return'. That's simply not possible. A monetary resolution is possible, after all, many Arab countries forcibly expelled jews, taking all their possessions, but not desired either. The Middle East NEEDS a group of people to use in its power struggle.
EleWM

Gadsden, AL

#22 Oct 9, 2006
faith wrote:
Ignore the previous post. It shows my comments as your comments. Here are my answers to your ARGUMENTS
....
can you tell us why the Jordanian government slaugtered about 40 thousand Palestian refugees who were in camps in Jordan? IN all the years of war between Israel and the Palestinians, the jews have not killed even half that number. Please explain why that slaugther does not even seem to be your range of concerns....
Najeeb

Europe

#24 Oct 10, 2006
Whatever Dr. Zakir Naik speaks is backed by reference, be it bible, quran or any other scripture. Pope dont have enough knowledge, faith and courage to have a dialog with him.
Alif

Singapore, Singapore

#25 Oct 10, 2006
Backed by faked knowledge or bigotry and out of context with ignorance.

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