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nyg

Concord, Canada

#104 Jun 26, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
The cross is an instrument of torture!!! Those who use the sign of the cross are the anti-Christ!!! Catholics and Protestants use the cross in their chapels without knowing that they have made themselves identified with those who opposed our Lord Jesus Christ in every which way!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Oh yes, why don't Catholics and Protestants just use the Satanic Freemason Pentagram that you use! lol
Ozzy

Coxsackie, NY

#105 Jun 26, 2013
Not only is there a Satanic Freemason Pentagram, but two other very concerning things....

First, a torch on top of a Pentagram is a symbol of Lucifer. There is a famous drawing of the goat demon, said to be Lucifer, and the torch is above his head.

Second, they claim the lamb in their symbol is Jesus. Why is it that Jesus is in the center of the Pentagram? Seems like not a good place to put the lamb.

No one knows how that symbol was created. All INM followers to is just accept it because that is what they are told to do.

Im sure if someone did a little more research on the symbol, you would find more disturbing things.
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#106 Jul 17, 2013
nyg wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh yes, why don't Catholics and Protestants just use the Satanic Freemason Pentagram that you use! lol
Nyg,

Freemasons are either Catholics or Protestants!!! They use the Pentagrams but not the Iglesia ni Cristo!!! The INC logo represents these:

1. The bird is a dove representing the Holy Spirit.
2. The flame is the light of salvation
3. The shield is the shield of faith
4. The scale represents the equality of the justice of God
5. The crown is the crown of eternal life
6. The lamb is the Lord Jesus Christ
7. The book is the Bible
8. The two scrolls seen in the Bible represents the OT and the NT
9. The upside down triangle represents the equality of the members or brotherhood (Mt. 23:8);
10. White is holiness
11. Green is love
12. Red is courage

The Logo of the Iglesia Ni Cristo has been used since 1919 but only appeared in Her worship buildings in the 1950's!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
lol

San Francisco, CA

#109 Jul 17, 2013
Jesus loves us all. It is our religion that binds us together as humans on this Earth. God Blesses.
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#110 Jul 28, 2013
nyg wrote:
More pasugo pick/chose, omit and ignore!
The actual paragraph reads.
“The images of Christ,
and of His Virgin Mother, and of other Saints, are to be had and
retained, especially in churches; and a due honor and veneration
is to be given to them; not that any divinity or virtue is believed
to be in them for which they are to be honored, or that any prayer
is to be made to them, or that any confidence is to be placed in
them, as was formerly done by the heathens, who placed their
hopes in idols; but because the honor which is given them is
referred to the originals which they represent, so that by the
images which we kiss, and before which we uncover our heads or
kneel, we adore Christ and venerate His Saints, whose likeness
they represent.”
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27435/27435-pd...
You conveniently omit "not that any divinity or virtue is believed
to be in them"
Debunked yet again!
<quoted text>
Nyg,

Did not my use of the succeeding three dots indicate that a part of the statement is omitted and is continued to a certain point in the statement??? You are of low I.Q.!!! Study some more as to how to write properly!!!

But take a look at the omitted portion which you posted:

"...and a due honor and veneration is to be given to them; not that any divinity or virtue is believed to be in them for which they are to be honored, or that any prayer is to be made to them, or that any confidence is to be placed in them, as was formerly done by the heathens, who placed their
hopes in idols;

God is honored and venerated by His chosen ones according to the Bible!!! Therefore, your giving honor and veneration to the dead saints constitute worship or veneration!!! Veneration is worship!!! Even the skivies of your dead saints are being worshipped by Catholic faithfuls:

"13. Is the worship of saints confined to their person?

"No, it extends also to their relics and images.

"14. What do we call relics?

"We call relics: 1. The remains of the body of a saint who has been canonized or beatified by the Church; 2. The objects which have belonged to the saints, or which have touched their bodies: such as their linen, coffins, etc."

In Pilipino:

"13. Ang pagsamba ba sa mga santo ay ukol lamang sa kanilang katauhan?

"Hindi, sumasaklaw din ito sa kanilang mga relikya at mga larawan.

"14. Ano ang tinatawag nating mga relikya?

"Tinatawag nating mga relikya: 1. Ang mga labi ng katawan ng isang santo na pinapaging-banal, kinanonisa o inihanda sa pagiging banal ng Iglesia; 2. Ang mga bagay na naging pag-aari ng mga santo, o yaong mga nadaiti sa kanilang mga katawan: tulad ng kanilang kasuotan, mga ataol, at iba pa."

Reference:(Catechism Of Christian Doctrine, No. 3, p.87)

How do mental doctors diagnose those who kept on kissing the underwear of dead saints??? Abnormally abnormal!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#111 Jul 28, 2013
What garbage you spew, Ileus!

First, you DID leave out a very important part so you could lie and say that Catholics worship idols when in fact, it specifically says they are not to be worshiped. That is how INM cult likes to spread lies.

Second, "Veneration" is NOT worship. From the Merriam-Webster Dictionary Online:
Definition of VENERATION

1: respect or awe inspired by the dignity, wisdom, dedication, or talent of a person

2: the act of venerating

3: the condition of one that is venerated

Your lies know no bounds. If you want to use English, you best get yourself a dictionary and not spread lies.

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#112 Jul 28, 2013
Lololololololol at Elias trying to weasel his way out of this one!

Veneration simply means respect! The Catechism of the Catholic church clearly points that out. Gibbons clearly pointed that out in his writings until you tried to twist his words!

There's really nothing left in this argument except Elias trying to save face. TRULY TRASHED TO BITS.
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#113 Jul 28, 2013
TheRealOzzy wrote:
What garbage you spew, Ileus!
First, you DID leave out a very important part so you could lie and say that Catholics worship idols when in fact, it specifically says they are not to be worshiped. That is how INM cult likes to spread lies.
Second, "Veneration" is NOT worship. From the Merriam-Webster Dictionary Online:
Definition of VENERATION
1: respect or awe inspired by the dignity, wisdom, dedication, or talent of a person
2: the act of venerating
3: the condition of one that is venerated
Your lies know no bounds. If you want to use English, you best get yourself a dictionary and not spread lies.
Ozzy,

Veneration is respect as defined in your post!!! Reverence is deep respect for God!!! Therefore your veneration is deep respect for the graven images and the cross-eyed scarecrows!!! Improve your low I.Q.!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#114 Jul 28, 2013
Iglesia_Ni_Dinuguan wrote:
Lololololololol at Elias trying to weasel his way out of this one!
Veneration simply means respect! The Catechism of the Catholic church clearly points that out. Gibbons clearly pointed that out in his writings until you tried to twist his words!
There's really nothing left in this argument except Elias trying to save face. TRULY TRASHED TO BITS.
Iglesia Dinuguan Kato Na, Liko Pa,

It does not simply means respect but worship!!! What does the dictionary say regarding "veneration"?

"ven-er-ation, n (L. veneratio-onis) from venerari, to worship, reverence.)
"Syn.- reverence, awe, adoration"

Reference:[Webster's New Universal Unabridged Dictionary, Deluxe Second Edition]

"Veneration," therefore, means to worship. It is synymous with reverence, awe, adoration."

You even worship your Padre Damaso!!! You call him Reverend Damaso!!! Why??? Because Reverend Damaso according to a Catholic doctrine is "a God on earth":

"St. Clement, then, had reason to say that the priest is, as it were, a God on earth."

Reference: De Liguori. Dignity and Duties of the Priest, p.36)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
israelNOTpinas

Quezon City, Philippines

#115 Jul 28, 2013
Ozzy wrote:
Not only is there a Satanic Freemason Pentagram, but two other very concerning things....
First, a torch on top of a Pentagram is a symbol of Lucifer. There is a famous drawing of the goat demon, said to be Lucifer, and the torch is above his head.
Second, they claim the lamb in their symbol is Jesus. Why is it that Jesus is in the center of the Pentagram? Seems like not a good place to put the lamb.
No one knows how that symbol was created. All INM followers to is just accept it because that is what they are told to do.
Im sure if someone did a little more research on the symbol, you would find more disturbing things.
Ozzy,

The Goat Demon is Baphomet...

JESUS the LAMB of God is inside a CULT... They Control JESUS inside the Pentagram by using Christ in their CULT name "Church of Christ".

But... The Truth...

Iglesia ni Manalo are Focus on the Name of their Cult
more than Christ Name...

The Subject is the Church and Christ is the predicate...

The Inverted Triangle represents Female underwear or Female Genitalia.
The Pointed Tower is an Egyptian Obelisk represents Male Genitalia..

A Rapist Founder with a symbol of male and Female genitalia...

What a Cult?

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#116 Jul 29, 2013
LOL Ileus gives the same definition of Veneration but I do not see anything even close to the meaning of WORSHIP.

Ileus you must think people are stupid to believe your twists. Respect, reverence, aww isnt even close to the same thing as worship.

Mizrach does NOT mean Far East
Veneration does NOT mean Worship

You lie like a little child. It's so silly it is almost funny.

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#117 Jul 31, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
Of Crosses and Saints

Indeed, the Iglesia ni Cristo does not and will never use crosses and graven images in our religious activities like praying and worshipping. To do so is a blatant offense against the one true God...
That's right! You just prefer to speak in tongues blabbering like a bunch of heretical ninnies!

Hey, let's give some more info on Iglesia ni Diablo!

https://www.facebook.com/iglesiacult

Protestants don't like you either:

http://www.letusreason.org/igleidir.htm

Just saying dude.
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#118 Aug 5, 2013
israelNOTpinas wrote:
<quoted text>
Ozzy,
The Goat Demon is Baphomet...
JESUS the LAMB of God is inside a CULT... They Control JESUS inside the Pentagram by using Christ in their CULT name "Church of Christ".
But... The Truth...
Iglesia ni Manalo are Focus on the Name of their Cult
more than Christ Name...
IgnoramusIsraelNOTpinas,

There is no pentagram in the Iglesia ni Cristo logo!!! What are contained in our logo are the following:

1. The bird is a dove representing the Holy Spirit.
2. The flame is the light of salvation
3. The shield is the shield of faith
4. The scale represents the equality of the justice of God
5. The crown is the crown of eternal life
6. The lamb is the Lord Jesus Christ
7. The book is the Bible
8. The two scrolls seen in the Bible represents the OT and the NT
9. The upside down triangle represents the equality of the members or brotherhood (Mt. 23:8);
10. White is holiness
11. Green is love
12. Red is courage

The Logo of the Iglesia Ni Cristo has been used since 1919 but only appeared in Her worship buildings in the 1950's!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#119 Aug 5, 2013
israelNOTpinas wrote:
<quoted text>
The Subject is the Church and Christ is the predicate...
IgnoramusIsraelNOTpinas,

And what is the whole sentence??? What is the subject of the sentence??? Did you go to school???

You are a shame to your cult, parents, and school!!! Improve your low I.Q.!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#120 Aug 5, 2013
TheRealOzzy wrote:
LOL Ileus gives the same definition of Veneration but I do not see anything even close to the meaning of WORSHIP.
Ileus you must think people are stupid to believe your twists. Respect, reverence, aww isnt even close to the same thing as worship.
Mizrach does NOT mean Far East
Veneration does NOT mean Worship
You lie like a little child. It's so silly it is almost funny.
Ozzy,

Veneration is worship!!! You worship underwears and skivies!!! Shame on you!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#121 Aug 5, 2013
SherylReal wrote:
<quoted text>
That's right! You just prefer to speak in tongues blabbering like a bunch of heretical ninnies!
Hey, let's give some more info on Iglesia ni Diablo!
https://www.facebook.com/iglesiacult
Protestants don't like you either:
http://www.letusreason.org/igleidir.htm
Just saying dude.
ShemaleReal,

Of course, they won't like us because they are jealous and envious and besides, the Iglesia ni Cristo has surpassed them in membership!!!

Dr. Arthur Leonard Tuggy, a baptist preacher, had this to say:

"Independent churches have sprung into vigorous life in many, if not all, countries in the Third World. One of the largest, wealthiest, and most powerful of these is the rapidly growing Iglesia Ni Cristo in the Philippines ... And it has grown by leaps and bounds to a place where it now rivals in size the entire Protestant community in the Philippines."

Reference:(Iglesia Ni Cristo: A Study in Independent Church Dynamics, Quezon City, Philippines: Conservative Baptist Publishing, Inc. 1976, p.vii)

The same Baptist author further stressed in his book that:
"On the world-wide scene its significance is great, primarily because of its size and wealth. The Iglesia Ni Cristo is the largest [non-mission related] independent church in Asia."

Reference:(Iglesia Ni Cristo: A Study in Independent Church Dynamics, Quezon City, Philippines: Conservative Baptist Publishing, Inc. 1976, p.244)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#122 Aug 5, 2013
TheRealOzzy wrote:
LOL Ileus gives the same definition of Veneration but I do not see anything even close to the meaning of WORSHIP.
Ileus you must think people are stupid to believe your twists. Respect, reverence, aww isnt even close to the same thing as worship.
Mizrach does NOT mean Far East
Veneration does NOT mean Worship
You lie like a little child. It's so silly it is almost funny.
Ozzy,

"Mizrach" means "Far East"!!! Young's Analytical Concordance states that "mizrach" means "east end" (dulong silangan or malayong silangan):

"MIZRACH ...
east 30
east end I
east side 3
eastward 20
rising [of the sun]
rising of the sun I
sunrising I." (Index-Lexicon to the Old Testament)

Dahil sa ang mizrach ay nangangahulugan ding "east end", ang Isaias 43:5 sa Magandang Balita Biblia ay isinaling dulong silangan:

"Huwag kang matatakot, Ako'y kasama mo, mula sa dulong silangan hangang sa kanluran, Ay titipunin ko kayo At ibabalik sa dating tahanan."

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#123 Aug 5, 2013
Ileus posts definitions of Veneration and Mizrach and fails both times to prove their meanings to what he claims! LOL!!!

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#124 Aug 5, 2013
What?
Mizrach means 'far east', but in the next sentence you say mizrach means 'east end'.

Decide what twisted definition of 'mizrach' you want to use!

miz·rach noun \&#712;miz&#716;rä &#7733;\
Definition of MIZRACH

1: an ornamental or sacred picture hung on the east wall of a house or synagogue in the direction of Jerusalem toward which Jews face when in prayer
2: the eastern wall of a synagogue

Is the Philippines "an ornamental or sacred picture hung on the east wall of a house or synagogue in the direction of Jerusalem toward which Jews face when in prayer"? NO!

Is the Philippines "the eastern wall of a synagogue"? NO!

Does "far" and "east" compliment each other in the verse INC twists? NO!
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Ozzy,
"Mizrach" means "Far East"!!! Young's Analytical Concordance states that "mizrach" means "east end" (dulong silangan or malayong silangan):
"MIZRACH ...
east 30
east end I
east side 3
eastward 20
rising [of the sun]
rising of the sun I
sunrising I." (Index-Lexicon to the Old Testament)
Dahil sa ang mizrach ay nangangahulugan ding "east end", ang Isaias 43:5 sa Magandang Balita Biblia ay isinaling dulong silangan:
"Huwag kang matatakot, Ako'y kasama mo, mula sa dulong silangan hangang sa kanluran, Ay titipunin ko kayo At ibabalik sa dating tahanan."
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Tamuning, Guam

#125 Aug 17, 2013
Ozzy wrote:
"You just make me laugh!!! I don't leave pertinent information if it is needed in my post and argument!!! What I posted are only things that are needed to negate your post!!! I am not used to redundancy!!!"
You leave out a sentence or parts of a sentence to change the meaning of what was really said. If making garbage and lies is "only things that are needed to negate your post" is what you need to do, then you are only proven as the liar you are. Classic INM style.
Do you let Jose give you lashings on your bum for the lies you tell as punishment? Or does Jose ok your responses? Does he give you a happy ending when he loves the lies you wrote? LOL!!!
Ozzy,

Brother Jose Ventilacion is no longer in Guam!!! But I remember him challenging the priest of Umatac to agree to a debate by authorizing a Catholic theologian as the sparring partner!!! The Catholic priest did not give his authority to his companion-theologian!!! They all scampered away!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

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