Pope Francis holds the cross as he le...

Pope Francis holds the cross as he leads a vigil mass during Easter. REUTERS/Stefano Rellandini

There are 125 comments on the ABS-CBN News story from May 22, 2013, titled Pope Francis holds the cross as he leads a vigil mass during Easter. REUTERS/Stefano Rellandini. In it, ABS-CBN News reports that:

CBCP News quoted Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines and Cebu Archbishop Jose Palma as saying that he received a request from the Vatican to move the International Eucharistic Congress to a much earlier date.

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truth

Perth, Australia

#62 May 26, 2013
i am not care what ever and so ever you say
byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#63 May 26, 2013
nyg wrote:
The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone:
Nyg,

No matter where you go, "respectful veneration" is still "deep reverence" for the objects or images worshipped!!! Improve your low I.Q.!!! Stop kissing underwears of your saints, otherwise, I would report and refer you to the mental hospital!!!

Remember that I have a witness of these Roman Catholic insanity, former ex-Catholic priest Adrian Hastings, who made this damning statement:

"Church of sinners and of fools."

Reference:(Hastings, Adrian. In Filial Disobedience, p. 126.)

"the power of the Church (Catholic) has been used in history to do the devil's work."

Reference:(Hastings, Adrian. In Filial Disobedience, p. 127.)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
truth

Perth, Australia

#64 May 26, 2013
i am not that person
i never been in africa

but up to me how i will come

as well why

god alone is always god alone
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#65 May 26, 2013
nyg wrote:
Quoting Jesse Romero his debate with Ventilacion
"If the authors of the books you quote do not agree with the Catechism of the Catholic Church, they are wrong."
Jose replied _ "well that is your opinion" LOL
Nyg,

It only means that every priest in the Roman Catholic Church differs in teachings!!! Their being false preachers are thus exposed!!! Where could one find them in agreement??? I doing heresies:

"That all priests do not practice all the virtues, that some have fallen into the grave and scandalous error, is a fact which no serious person could deny. From the earliest days priests have been guilty even of heresy, indeed, all the heresies of Christendom have been started and promoted by priests..."

Reference:(Whereon To Stand: What Catholics Believe And Why, pp. 240-241)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Ozzy

Hudson, NY

#66 May 26, 2013
Catholic priests have the freedoms to express their opinions even if different than what the church teaches. These freedoms allow for deeper thought and study. If others believe they are wrong, their thoughts may be ignored, debated, discussed, etc. Some may even have sanctions against them if deemed so inappropriate. But freedom of thought is never discouraged.

INM ministers are not allowed for thought. They are told what to believe even if in their heart they do not agree with it. They are slaves to the administration and to false teachings.

Again, no freedom within the cult of Manalo.

If a priest speaks or writes what is not in the Catholic Catechism, then it may be dismissed.

If an INM minister does that, he might even be killed. If we could speak to the dead, Marcos Mataro would attest to that.
Ozzy

Hudson, NY

#67 May 26, 2013
Ileus
You just have sour grapes because you were caught leaving out pertinent information that went against what you were wanting to prove. That was purposely done to makes your twists and lies.

You were caught and now vomiting a bunch of obstructive shit to cover yourself.

You are an INM whore willing to suck off your minister because he tells you it will give you salvation. Jose will surely miss your mouth when you dies of your AIDS.
nyg

Newmarket, Canada

#68 May 26, 2013
Again,'veneration of the saints' is a profound respect for the saints, which is not the same adoration given to God alone. That is all. Therefore, veneration of the saints is not the same as worshipping God and is not idolatry. The images and statues are representations of the saints and hold not divine value as they are just objects. Veneration goes to what they represent.There is nothing more to say about that. The Catechism explains that in plain language. Gibbons explained that in plain language as well, until you chopped up his paragraph and omitted information that put it completely out of context.

Backtrack all you want! Doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.
I'm sure your stupid quote about Catholic clergy not teaching the same thing was chopped up and taken out of context. Can't trust a fool that has been caught red handed like you.

There are 220,000+ clergy around the world, and you think one misinterpreted quote represents all of them....sure

Here is what the bible says about the veneration of those who have led godly lives;
Sirach 44:1-15
New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
Hymn in Honor of Our Ancestors[a]

44 Let us now sing the praises of famous men,
our ancestors in their generations.
2 The Lord apportioned to them[b] great glory,
his majesty from the beginning.
3 There were those who ruled in their kingdoms,
and made a name for themselves by their valor;
those who gave counsel because they were intelligent;
those who spoke in prophetic oracles;
4 those who led the people by their counsels
and by their knowledge of the people’s lore;
they were wise in their words of instruction;
5 those who composed musical tunes,
or put verses in writing;
6 rich men endowed with resources,
living peacefully in their homes—
7 all these were honored in their generations,
and were the pride of their times.
8 Some of them have left behind a name,
so that others declare their praise.
9 But of others there is no memory;
they have perished as though they had never existed;
they have become as though they had never been born,
they and their children after them.
10 But these also were godly men,
whose righteous deeds have not been forgotten;
11 their wealth will remain with their descendants,
and their inheritance with their children’s children.[c]
12 Their descendants stand by the covenants;
their children also, for their sake.
13 Their offspring will continue forever,
and their glory will never be blotted out.
14 Their bodies are buried in peace,
but their name lives on generation after generation.
15 The assembly declares[d] their wisdom,
and the congregation proclaims their praise.
nyg

Newmarket, Canada

#69 May 26, 2013
Heresies like Those of Adrian Hastings, whom you like to quote on a regular basis. By the way, there are over 220000 in the Catholic clergy, compared to less that 100 in your cult. Generalizing such a large and diverse group as you are doing, is considered to be "stupid" by many. Lol.
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Nyg,
It only means that every priest in the Roman Catholic Church differs in teachings!!! Their being false preachers are thus exposed!!! Where could one find them in agreement??? I doing heresies:
"That all priests do not practice all the virtues, that some have fallen into the grave and scandalous error, is a fact which no serious person could deny. From the earliest days priests have been guilty even of heresy, indeed, all the heresies of Christendom have been started and promoted by priests..."
Reference:(Whereon To Stand: What Catholics Believe And Why, pp. 240-241)
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
nyg

Burlington, Canada

#72 May 27, 2013
You are 'venerating' these pictures of your leaders as well. Same thing! Only they did not do anything worth while.
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Ozzy,
We have pictures of our leaders in our homes because we have to remember them who sacrificed for us in the Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo)!!! These pictures are their real selves when still alive!!!
However, your pictrues and images of Christ are spurious!!! Catholics and Protestants even have differen versions of Christ!!! The Quiapo Nazarene is a good example for it is black!!!
The law of Moses prohibits the carving of images of anyone!!! Thus, Leonardo Da Vince who painted the "Last Supper" had to use only one model for both Christ and Judas Iscariot!!!
Therefore, what Catholics and Protestants worship as the representation of Christ is also the representation of Judas Iscariot!!!
Improve your low I.Q.!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
nyg

Burlington, Canada

#73 May 27, 2013
Definition of VENERATION

1: respect or awe inspired by the dignity, wisdom, dedication, or talent of a person
2: the act of venerating
3: the condition of one that is venerated
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ven...

Or for you; 'Veneration defined for kids'

ven·er·a·tion
Pronunciation: ven--r-shn
Function: noun
1 : the act of venerating : the state of being venerated
2 : a feeling of deep respect
http://www.wordcentral.com/cgi-bin/student...
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>

Nyg,
Can you find an instance in the Bible that "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype"??? A BIG NO!!! Can you compare God to the works of the skillful hands of man??? Can you show proof in the Bible that when venerating an image you also venerate the person portrayed in it"??? What if the image was just the result of the imagination of Leonardo da Vinci who had one model when painting Christ and Judas Iscariot in the "Last Supper"???
What is the truth about venerating as explained by the dictionary???
"ven-er-ation, n (L. veneratio-onis) from venerari, to worship, reverence.)
"Syn.- reverence, awe, adoration"
Reference:[Webster's New Universal Unabridged Dictionary, Deluxe Second Edition]
"Veneration," therefore, means to worship. It is synymous with reverence, awe, adoration."
Improve your low I.Q.!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Ozzy

Hudson, NY

#74 May 27, 2013
Well put, NYG. Ileus thought he would start more lies about other religions and he was completely exposed. As with anything INM, enough research can debunk every single one of their ridiculous claims.

The sad thing is, there are some in INM who are so brainwashed they are unable to differentiate the difference and will make excuses for these types of lies.

Then even more sad, there are INM members who are just scared to speak up and stand up for what is the truth. Actually, if they did that, it would be their greatest blessing to be expelled. They just dont realize it....YET.

That's why I am very interested in seeing the voting numbers of INC. I want to see if what I believe will happen is in fact true....that INM is losing members and losing influence. The world can only hope.
Ozzy

Hudson, NY

#75 May 27, 2013
And funny when Ileus accuses others of "squid tactics" when it is him and INM who are the real squids!
nyg

Burlington, Canada

#76 May 27, 2013
That came up to about 10 minutes of research on my part. lol. Some of the books he referenced were online; not hard to find at all.

It's hilarious that he thinks "squid tactics" is reading the whole paragraph.

Veneration means respect -> that has debunked his whole argument alone.
Wonder what he will come up with next?
We are 'gossipmongering' again?
Ozzy wrote:
Well put, NYG. Ileus thought he would start more lies about other religions and he was completely exposed. As with anything INM, enough research can debunk every single one of their ridiculous claims.
The sad thing is, there are some in INM who are so brainwashed they are unable to differentiate the difference and will make excuses for these types of lies.
Then even more sad, there are INM members who are just scared to speak up and stand up for what is the truth. Actually, if they did that, it would be their greatest blessing to be expelled. They just dont realize it....YET.
That's why I am very interested in seeing the voting numbers of INC. I want to see if what I believe will happen is in fact true....that INM is losing members and losing influence. The world can only hope.
Ozzy

Hudson, NY

#77 May 27, 2013
I dont know but I might be a "landgrabber". hehe
israelNOTpinas

Makati, Philippines

#78 May 27, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
What if the image was just the result of the imagination of Leonardo da Vinci who had one model when painting Christ and Judas Iscariot in the "Last Supper"???

Iglesia ni cristo must
Improve our low I.Q.!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Judas Iscariot and Felix Manalo both died on Ulcer.
Judas Iscariot a disciple of Christ Betrayed Jesus

Felix Manalo a Evangelist of Disciple of Christ
betrayed the Reformation Movement.
nyg

Burlington, Canada

#79 May 28, 2013
Ozzy wrote:
I dont know but I might be a "landgrabber". hehe
Aha!
Hey, he's disappeared! What happened?:(
Ozzy

Hudson, NY

#80 May 28, 2013
Recovering from a weekend of Jose's hard ass pounding.
israelNOTpinas

Makati, Philippines

#81 May 28, 2013
Elias is Busy looking at the Cross of Christ
and comparing it to the Masonic Logo of Albert Pike.
truth

Perth, Australia

#82 May 28, 2013
masonic
ma=sonic
'sound'
please tell me did you ever see cleaner of shoes..
please tell me did you see map as geografy as shoes
please tell me
did you see geometric line any line betwen your very impotened building as shoes..as square as triangle as any geometric symbol

please tell me
why you think
that others can't think with head
please tell me
how in heaven as image as in spirit it is on earth
if not
please tell me why not

two lovely heart
one remind
please tell me
how much pro-cent about what money destruction love or what?
proverb 3;5
truth

Perth, Australia

#83 May 28, 2013
please tell me about sound=ear
please tell me sound=$ o u n d
o=15 1+5=6 n d

please tell me
most colour on this earth
blue as water
green as grass tree entire vegetation
please tell me
about two color light green and light blue
please tell me who used that color as high office or any office

please tell me
why i am sick
but you are smart
or jealous or lust or what?..

please tell me
what i say to you
about dog
is dog god
please tell me about print or footprint of dog feet

please tell me when you put on map as original on au Continent what you see 5 circle

please tell meaning about blue print green print and feet print..

please tell me

why i am wrongggggggggggggggggggggggggg gggggggggg
whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
shuttttttttt uppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp ppppppp
i am sick of all of youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
evil people with evil destructive mind

please two lovely heart
one remind
nk

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