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Pope Francis holds the cross as he leads a vigil mass during Easter. REUTERS/Stefano Rellandini

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nyg

Newmarket, Canada

#22 May 23, 2013
Adrian Hastings did not agree with the principles of the Priesthood within the Roman Catholic Church. However, he did not become a member of Iglesia ni Cristo.

Therefore, he authenticated Iglesia ni Cristo.

(Pasugo: April 1926, p. 46)
nyg

Newmarket, Canada

#23 May 23, 2013
Newsflash!

A Catholic priest joins Iglesia ni Cristo. We don't know his name, where he lives, what his former Parish he was a priest at.

Therefore, Iglesia ni Cristo is the true church of Christ.

(Pasugo: April 1936, p. 46)
nyg

Newmarket, Canada

#24 May 23, 2013
The Catholic and Protestant Churches are suffering from the 'Great Religious Recession' and are seeing numbers fall off at an alarming rate.

The Associated Press reports explosive growth in the Catholic and Protestant churches in Asia, South America and Africa.

The true church of Christ opened 100 new beautiful and grandiose chapels, to accommodate new converts.

Standard practice at each locale is to take meticulous attendance records twice a week to ensure our brothers and sisters and there every week. Due to this extensive record keeping, the number of members of Iglesia ni Cristo is unknown.

(Reference: Pasugo 1912, p 46)
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#25 May 24, 2013
nyg wrote:
More pasugo pick/chose, omit and ignore!
The actual paragraph reads.
“The images of Christ,
and of His Virgin Mother, and of other Saints, are to be had and
retained, especially in churches; and a due honor and veneration
is to be given to them; not that any divinity or virtue is believed
to be in them for which they are to be honored, or that any prayer
is to be made to them, or that any confidence is to be placed in
them, as was formerly done by the heathens, who placed their
hopes in idols; but because the honor which is given them is
referred to the originals which they represent, so that by the
images which we kiss, and before which we uncover our heads or
kneel, we adore Christ and venerate His Saints, whose likeness
they represent.”
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27435/27435-pd...
You conveniently omit "not that any divinity or virtue is believed
to be in them"
Debunked yet again!
<quoted text>
Nyg,

XXXXX
You cannot employ squid tactic and use it as a defense!!! This is what I posted and take note of the series of dots in-between "churches and the" and which you think is an intentional ommission:

"The images of Christ, and of His Virgin Mother, and of the other Saints, are to be had and retained, especially in churches;...the honor which is given them is referred to the originals they represent, so that by the images we kiss, and before which we uncover our heads or kneel, we adore Christ and venerate His Saints, whose likeness they represent'..."

Reference:[James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith Of Our Fathers, p. 164]
Take note of what the reference says: "the honor which is given them is referred to the originals they represent, so that by the images we kiss, and before which we uncover our heads or kneel, we adore Christ and venerate His Saints, whose likeness they represent'..."
Catholics kiss images, uncover their heads or kneel, and in so doing, they adore Christ and venerate His saints, whose likeness is represented by the scarecrows!!! What then is the meaning of veneration???
"ven-er-ation, n (L. veneratio-onis) from venerari, to worship, reverence.)
"Syn.- reverence, awe, adoration"
Reference:[Webster's New Universal Unabridged Dictionary, Deluxe Second Edition]
"Veneration," therefore, means to worship. It is synymous with reverence, awe, adoration."

Thus, what Catholics do when they bow, kiss, and uncover their heads and kneel before the images of Christ and the Catholic saints are acts of worshipping!!! The dictionary exposed the Catholics' squid tactic that veneration and adoration of the scarecrows are not acts of worship!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#26 May 24, 2013
nyg wrote:
Hush, Elias. Everything you post has been mixed up, with parts added and subtracted to make it seem as if you have a real argument. This is your expertise but it is very easy to debunk!
Nyg,

You should be the one to resort to silence for once again your Catholic Church and her daughter, the Protestants cults, are exposed in their abominable use of crosses and thereby committed the following satanic doctrines and teachings:

1. thinking that the divine being (God) is like gold or silver or stone--an image made by man's design and skill".

2. Promoting an unbiblical doctrine that a servant of God has to use the image of the cross to worship or pray to Christ.

3. Promoting the cross as an intrument of execution--a fact that is supported even by Catholic authorities who stated that "like the guillotine, the noose, or the electric chair", the cross, " was the instrument for the execution of the worst criminals" and thus "was the symbol of shame, ignorance and dishonor".

Reference:(Discources on the Apostles Creed, p. 16).


4. Catholics and Protestants' use of crosses are acts aimed at their continued shaming and torture of Christ by branding Him as the criminal instead of being the victim.

5. The unbiblical use of crosses and graven images in Catholic and Protestants religious activities like praying and worshipping are blatant offenses against the one true God, Who is spirit, without flesh and bones (John 4:24; Luke 24:39). God declared: "Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shall not bow down thyself to them, not serve them for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God ..." (Exod. 20:4-5, King James Version).

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#27 May 24, 2013
Ozzy wrote:
Good catch, NYG. The lies and deceit are never ending with this cult.
Also, lets not forget the INM statue of their founder rapist Manalo. People visiting it and actually kneeling and praying! Imagine that...kneeling and praying to a rapist! They dont have a statue of Jesus but yet they have one of Felix? Seriously!? Who is their messiah?
Just like so many INM have that same, stupid looking photo of Manalo in their home. Yet, there is no picture of Jesus.
INSANITY AND HYPOCRISY
Ozzy,

Good catch or you are just expressing your low I.Q.??? The "dots" in my reference is an indication that something is "cut" so that it has to proceed to something more important!!! Intelligent writers do that but those low I.Q.s think that it is an intentional ommission!!!

All of you have low I.Q.s and are flocking together in your shameful displays of ignorance!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#28 May 24, 2013
Ozzy wrote:
Good catch, NYG. The lies and deceit are never ending with this cult.
Also, lets not forget the INM statue of their founder rapist Manalo. People visiting it and actually kneeling and praying! Imagine that...kneeling and praying to a rapist! They dont have a statue of Jesus but yet they have one of Felix? Seriously!? Who is their messiah?
Just like so many INM have that same, stupid looking photo of Manalo in their home. Yet, there is no picture of Jesus.
INSANITY AND HYPOCRISY
Ozzy,

Stop lying for inscribed at the monument of Brother Felix Y. Manalo at the Central Office is the prohibition of not bowing, kneeling, or worshipping the same!!! I had been there several times!!!

In the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant cults, one could never find these prohibitions because the worship of scarecrows are but Catholic and Protestant tenets!!!

Do Catholics worship images of saints? Here is an unsolicited evidence from a Catholic book:

"13. Is the worship of saints confined to their person?
"No, it extends also to their relics and images.
"14. What do we call relics?
"We call relics: 1. The remains of the body of a saint who has been canonized or beatified by the Church; 2. The objects which have belonged to the saints, or which have touched their bodies: such as their linen, coffins, etc."
In Pilipino:
"13. Ang pagsamba ba sa mga santo ay ukol lamang sa kanilang katauhan?
"Hindi, sumasaklaw din ito sa kanilang mga relikya at mga larawan.
"14. Ano ang tinatawag nating mga relikya?
"Tinatawag nating mga relikya: 1. Ang mga labi ng katawan ng isang santo na pinapaging-banal, kinanonisa o inihanda sa pagiging banal ng Iglesia; 2. Ang mga bagay na naging pag-aari ng mga santo, o yaong mga nadaiti sa kanilang mga katawan: tulad ng kanilang kasuotan, mga ataol, at iba pa."

Reference:(Catechism Of Christian Doctrine, No. 3, p.87)

What a revelation! Roman Catholics worship not only their saints but also their images and relics! And what are reclics? The remains of the body of a saint - a tooth, a piece of the pelvic bone, a strand of hair, objects that belong to the saint or anything that might have touched the body. These are so numerous but because they belong to the category of relics they must be worshipped by Catholics!

ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#29 May 24, 2013
Ozzy wrote:
Good catch, NYG. The lies and deceit are never ending with this cult.
Also, lets not forget the INM statue of their founder rapist Manalo. People visiting it and actually kneeling and praying! Imagine that...kneeling and praying to a rapist! They dont have a statue of Jesus but yet they have one of Felix? Seriously!? Who is their messiah?
Just like so many INM have that same, stupid looking photo of Manalo in their home. Yet, there is no picture of Jesus.
INSANITY AND HYPOCRISY
Ozzy,

We have pictures of our leaders in our homes because we have to remember them who sacrificed for us in the Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo)!!! These pictures are their real selves when still alive!!!

However, your pictrues and images of Christ are spurious!!! Catholics and Protestants even have differen versions of Christ!!! The Quiapo Nazarene is a good example for it is black!!!

The law of Moses prohibits the carving of images of anyone!!! Thus, Leonardo Da Vince who painted the "Last Supper" had to use only one model for both Christ and Judas Iscariot!!!

Therefore, what Catholics and Protestants worship as the representation of Christ is also the representation of Judas Iscariot!!!

Improve your low I.Q.!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#30 May 24, 2013
nyg wrote:
More pasugo pick/chose, omit and ignore!
The actual paragraph reads.
“The images of Christ,
and of His Virgin Mother, and of other Saints, are to be had and
retained, especially in churches; and a due honor and veneration
is to be given to them; but because the honor which is given them is
referred to the originals which they represent, so that by the
images which we kiss, and before which we uncover our heads or
kneel, we adore Christ and venerate His Saints, whose likeness
they represent.”
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27435/27435-pd...
You conveniently omit "not that any divinity or virtue is believed
to be in them"
Debunked yet again!
<quoted text>
Nyg,

Okay, let us now deal on what you said is that portion of the paragraph which I omitted:

"... not that any divinity or virtue is believed
to be in them for which they are to be honored, or that any prayer
is to be made to them, or that any confidence is to be placed in
them, as was formerly done by the heathens, who placed their
hopes in idols...."

Roman Catholics admit that there is no "divinity (holiness) or virtue" that could be gained from the graven images which they give honor!!! Now, if there is no divinity (holiness) or virtue that could be gained, why continue to honor and worship the scarecrows???

All Roman Catholics must improve their low I.Q.!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
babyJesus

United States

#31 May 24, 2013
well Elias has no IQ at all!
babyJesus

United States

#32 May 24, 2013
what the... NEWSFLASH!?
.
INM members have Felix statue, icons, and images being worshipped!!
.
...the hell is going on??
.
Even worse than some Catholics practices!
babyJesus

United States

#33 May 24, 2013
NEWSFLASH!!
.
INM "CONFLICTING PASUGO" is nowhere to GO!
.
They dont know Jesus, their claim's CONFLICT CONFLICT CONFLICT with their PASUGO! They asked who is Jesus?? They said what? what really? Is HE REALLY? They have hahahaha... Shot these INM MAGGOTS, they have identity crisis!!! They DONT KNOW JESUS! Hey Check the HOLY BIBLE not your PASUBO.
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#34 May 24, 2013
nyg wrote:
More pasugo pick/chose, omit and ignore!
The actual paragraph reads.
“The images of Christ,
and of His Virgin Mother, and of other Saints, are to be had and
retained, especially in churches; and a due honor and veneration
is to be given to them; not that any divinity or virtue is believed
to be in them for which they are to be honored, or that any prayer
is to be made to them, or that any confidence is to be placed in
them, as was formerly done by the heathens, who placed their
hopes in idols; but because the honor which is given them is
referred to the originals which they represent, so that by the
images which we kiss, and before which we uncover our heads or
kneel, we adore Christ and venerate His Saints, whose likeness
they represent.”
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27435/27435-pd...
You conveniently omit "not that any divinity or virtue is believed
to be in them"
Debunked yet again!
<quoted text>
Ozzy,

Okay, let us again revisit the portion of the paragraph which you said that I had omitted:

"... or that any prayer is to be made to them...."

According to this portion of the paragraph, "no prayer is to be made to the graven images of the saints." But do Catholics follow this claim??? A BIG NO:

"The images of Christ, and of His Virgin Mother, and of the other Saints, are to be had and retained, especially in churches;... the honor which is given them is referred to the originals they represent, so that by the images we kiss, and before which we uncover our heads or kneel, we adore Christ and venerate His Saints, whose likeness they represent'..."

Reference:[James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith Of Our Fathers, p. 164]

According to Roman Catholic priest, James Cardinal Gibbons, Catholics adore Christ and venerate His saints by kissing the images, by uncovering their heads and kneeling because these images are representations of Christ and His saints!!! Therefore, they worship Christ and His saints through their scarecrow representations!!! And according to the dictionary, adoration and veneration are acts of worship:

"ven-er-ation, n (L. veneratio-onis) from venerari, to worship, reverence.)

"Syn.- reverence, awe, adoration"

Reference:[Webster's New Universal Unabridged Dictionary, Deluxe Second Edition]

"Veneration," therefore, means to worship. It is synymous with reverence, awe, adoration."

WATCH OUT FOR THE COMING "COLOSSAL RACKETS" OF THE SPURIOUS RELIGIONS!!! DRIVE THEM AWAY FROM YOUR HOMES!!!
WORKINGMEN OF ALL COUNTRIES UNITE!!! PEASANTS AND PROFESSIONALS UNITE!!! SMASH TO IGNOMINY AND DEFEAT THE EVILS OF THESE SPURIOUS RELIGIONS!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
babyJesus

United States

#35 May 24, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Ozzy,
Okay, let us again revisit the portion of the paragraph which you said that I had omitted:
"... or that any prayer is to be made to them...."
According to this portion of the paragraph, "no prayer is to be made to the graven images of the saints." But do Catholics follow this claim??? A BIG NO:
"The images of Christ, and of His Virgin Mother, and of the other Saints, are to be had and retained, especially in churches;... the honor which is given them is referred to the originals they represent, so that by the images we kiss, and before which we uncover our heads or kneel, we adore Christ and venerate His Saints, whose likeness they represent'..."
Reference:[James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith Of Our Fathers, p. 164]
According to Roman Catholic priest, James Cardinal Gibbons, Catholics adore Christ and venerate His saints by kissing the images, by uncovering their heads and kneeling because these images are representations of Christ and His saints!!! Therefore, they worship Christ and His saints through their scarecrow representations!!! And according to the dictionary, adoration and veneration are acts of worship:
"ven-er-ation, n (L. veneratio-onis) from venerari, to worship, reverence.)
"Syn.- reverence, awe, adoration"
Reference:[Webster's New Universal Unabridged Dictionary, Deluxe Second Edition]
"Veneration," therefore, means to worship. It is synymous with reverence, awe, adoration."
WATCH OUT FOR THE COMING "COLOSSAL RACKETS" OF THE SPURIOUS RELIGIONS!!! DRIVE THEM AWAY FROM YOUR HOMES!!!
WORKINGMEN OF ALL COUNTRIES UNITE!!! PEASANTS AND PROFESSIONALS UNITE!!! SMASH TO IGNOMINY AND DEFEAT THE EVILS OF THESE SPURIOUS RELIGIONS!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
where did u get portion of that paragraph?
.
U know nothing about the BIBLE!
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#36 May 24, 2013
nyg wrote:
More pasugo pick/chose, omit and ignore!
The actual paragraph reads.
“The images of Christ,
and of His Virgin Mother, and of other Saints, are to be had and
retained, especially in churches; and a due honor and veneration
is to be given to them; not that any divinity or virtue is believed
to be in them for which they are to be honored, or that any prayer
is to be made to them, but because the honor which is given them is
referred to the originals which they represent, so that by the
images which we kiss, and before which we uncover our heads or
kneel, we adore Christ and venerate His Saints, whose likeness
they represent.”
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27435/27435-pd...
You conveniently omit "not that any divinity or virtue is believed
to be in them"
Debunked yet again!
<quoted text>
Nyg,

Okay, let us revisit once again the portion of the paragraph which you said I had omitted:

"....or that any confidence is to be placed in
them, as was formerly done by the heathens, who placed their
hopes in idols...."

Is it true that Catholics do not place confidence on thei scarecrows??? A BIG NO!!!

Rarely would you find a Catholic home without a religious icon or an image of any saint especially that of Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary. It would be next to impossible to find a Roman Catholic Church devoid of even a single religious image. Precisely, because, "The Holy Synod commands that images of Christ, of the Mother of God and of the other saints be kept in churches, and that due honor and reverence be paid to them, not because it is believed that there is any divinity in them, or that anything may be asked of them, but because the honor which is done to them is done to the prototypes they represent."

Reference:(The Book of Catholic Quotations. John Chapin, gen., p. 459)

The rationale behind the use of images in Catholic churches is the proclamation of the "Holy Synod" of the Roman Catholic Church and not any commandment of God. Such being the case, the command of the "Holy Synod" of the Roman Catholic Church is of man and not of God, and can never qualify or be of the same quality as the commandment of God.

What prompted the Catholic Church to command that images be kept in churches? Is it based on what the Scriptures say about images?

"We cannot, therefore, over-estimate the salutary effect produced upon us in a church or room adorned with sacred paintings." ...

Reference:(James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith Of Our Fathers, p. 171.)

Post 1... to be continued...

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#37 May 24, 2013
nyg wrote:
More pasugo pick/chose, omit and ignore!
The actual paragraph reads.
“The images of Christ,
and of His Virgin Mother, and of other Saints, are to be had and
retained, especially in churches; and a due honor and veneration
is to be given to them; not that any divinity or virtue is believed
to be in them for which they are to be honored, or that any prayer
is to be made to them, or that any confidence is to be placed in
them, as was formerly done by the heathens, who placed their
hopes in idols; but because the honor which is given them is
referred to the originals which they represent, so that by the
images which we kiss, and before which we uncover our heads or
kneel, we adore Christ and venerate His Saints, whose likeness
they represent.”
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27435/27435-pd...
You conveniently omit "not that any divinity or virtue is believed
to be in them"
Debunked yet again!
<quoted text>
Nyg,

It seems that Roman Catholics gain salutary effects in the use of images in their churches. But what does the Bible say concerning images?

"But our God is in the heavens; he hath done, whatsoever he hath pleased.

"Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.

"They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they smell not.

"They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not.

"They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.

"They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteeth in them." (Ps. 115:3-8, King James Version)

The above-cited verses are self-explanatory. Whatever imagined effects, salutary or not, in the use of images or idols could not have come from graven images or idols, be they religious or not, for the simple reason that they are lifeless, inutile! Besides, their use contravenes the commandments of God. Would you still care to bow down or kneel before an image?

Salutary: Adj.

1. Effecting or designed to effect an improvement; remedial: salutary advice.
2. Favorable to health; wholesome: a salutary climate.
3. promoting or intended to promote an improvement or beneficial effect susch as a salutary warning
4. promoting or intended to promote health
[from Latin sal&#363;t&#257;ris wholesome, from sal&#363;s safety]

salutarily adv

salutariness n

Post 2...END.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#38 May 24, 2013
nyg wrote:
Adrian Hastings did not agree with the principles of the Priesthood within the Roman Catholic Church. However, he did not become a member of Iglesia ni Cristo.
Therefore, he authenticated Iglesia ni Cristo.
(Pasugo: April 1926, p. 46)
Nyg,

It does not matter that Mr. Adrian Hastings is not member of the Iglesia ni Cristo!!! For his damning statements are still clear that Roman Catholic doctrines about celibacy violate biblical tenets which the Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo) declares as abominations before God:

"How then could I break a law of the Church forbidding me to marry, a law which I accepted with full consciousness when I was ordained in 1955? Because I do not believe it to be a just law or a good law, or a law which the Church had the right to make, and I am convinced that it does not express God's will for the Church today, if it ever did."

Reference: Adrian Hastings, In Filial Disobedience, p. 15)

Hastings points out that the Catholic law on priestly celibacy, a law forbidding the clergy to marry, does not express God's will. It is not a just law, neither a law which the Catholic Church had the right to make. If we have chosen to quote Hastings, it does not mean that we are maligning the Roman catholic Church. We are merely revealing the serious problem of the Catholic Church regarding her priests.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#39 May 24, 2013
nyg wrote:
Newsflash!
A Catholic priest joins Iglesia ni Cristo. We don't know his name, where he lives, what his former Parish he was a priest at.
Therefore, Iglesia ni Cristo is the true church of Christ.
(Pasugo: April 1936, p. 46)
Nyg,

The name of the Catholic priest who converted recently to the Iglesia ni Cristo is Brother Christopher Yu!!! He is registered in one of the locales of Malabon!!! And I already posted his name in one of the threads in TOPIX!!! Stop lying!!!

In Guam, a Protestant Methodist minister is undergoung bible studies on doctrines!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#40 May 24, 2013
babyJesus wrote:
well Elias has no IQ at all!
Baby palautot,

Your log-on I.D. is a clear sign of your low I.Q.!!! You are like the popes who claim that they are "VICARIVS FILII DEI"!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#41 May 24, 2013
nyg wrote:
The Catholic and Protestant Churches are suffering from the 'Great Religious Recession' and are seeing numbers fall off at an alarming rate.
The Associated Press reports explosive growth in the Catholic and Protestant churches in Asia, South America and Africa.
The true church of Christ opened 100 new beautiful and grandiose chapels, to accommodate new converts.
Standard practice at each locale is to take meticulous attendance records twice a week to ensure our brothers and sisters and there every week. Due to this extensive record keeping, the number of members of Iglesia ni Cristo is unknown.
(Reference: Pasugo 1912, p 46)
Nyg,

Exposive births not converts for the Catholic and Protestant cults!!! Stop lying!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

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