Pope's Turkish tour a surprising success

Pope's Turkish tour a surprising success

There are 20 comments on the MSNBC story from Nov 30, 2006, titled Pope's Turkish tour a surprising success. In it, MSNBC reports that:

ISTANBUL, Turkey - The newspaper headlines here have been astonishing. "So Far So Good," read one banner headline; "Alliance of Faiths," read another.

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welldonepope

San Juan Del Río, Mexico

#1 Dec 1, 2006
According to the news,pope prayed in a very famous Turkish mosque.well done pope.this is a good step to make a bridge between different faiths.
And before he left he said I am leaving half of my heart in Istanbul.it seems pope's visit is success.
good news!!!
Robert Finch

Plaucheville, LA

#2 Dec 1, 2006
Yes. I am so glad. He also prayed in the Blue Mosque with the Muslims in the direction of Mecca....This may have very deep repercussions of harmony, each in their seperate search to do God/Allah's Will....
Armat

Buzzards Bay, MA

#3 Dec 1, 2006
Organized religion is the opium of the masses. Basically it is the fear of dying. I heard it before My God is bigger then yours. Pope and the whole thing are as worthless to humanity as direct dial up to God.(I carless what he says as much as I careless what some Mullah says in Iran or Mecca)
More atrocities and killing took place in the name of God then anything else. It is interesting when some fking moron in Iraq blows himself by killing innocent woman and children just before blowing he yells God is great. See even a murdered thinks got is on his side. Does anyone think God is not on his side?
Robert Finch

Plaucheville, LA

#4 Dec 1, 2006
Armat wrote:
Organized religion is the opium of the masses. Basically it is the fear of dying. I heard it before My God is bigger then yours. Pope and the whole thing are as worthless to humanity as direct dial up to God.(I carless what he says as much as I careless what some Mullah says in Iran or Mecca)
More atrocities and killing took place in the name of God then anything else. It is interesting when some fking moron in Iraq blows himself by killing innocent woman and children just before blowing he yells God is great. See even a murdered thinks got is on his side. Does anyone think God is not on his side?
Greetings Armat:

Peace

Are you an atheist, or an agnostic? Have you always been?At in this way I can know how to respond. I agree with some of your statements. But some I do not....A lot of it is perspective and personal history.
I would be glad to respond....

Be at peace.

Robert
Armat

Buzzards Bay, MA

#5 Dec 1, 2006
Robert Finch wrote:
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Greetings Armat:
Peace
Are you an atheist, or an agnostic? Have you always been?At in this way I can know how to respond. I agree with some of your statements. But some I do not....A lot of it is perspective and personal history.
I would be glad to respond....
Be at peace.
Robert
I practice Zen
Robert Finch

Plaucheville, LA

#6 Dec 1, 2006
Armat wrote:
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I practice Zen
Their appearance is different than their shoshin. But they are shoshin....
They are practicing and have true understanding, not just intellectual understanding.(A paraphrase of Suzuki)
It would seem you have only an intellectual understanding, and judge by appearances.
Take the time to be yourself....
Peace.
Robert
Armat

United States

#7 Dec 1, 2006
Robert Finch wrote:
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Their appearance is different than their shoshin. But they are shoshin....
They are practicing and have true understanding, not just intellectual understanding.(A paraphrase of Suzuki)
It would seem you have only an intellectual understanding, and judge by appearances.
Take the time to be yourself....
Peace.
Robert
This being a public forum Ill keep my personnal life brief. I know the differance of intelctual understanding and meditating.I meditate daily.Zen is the polar opposite of organized religion.I started in 1986 LA Zen center and fell in love with it.I dislike hypocrats and loathe them like cancer.Human beings are sinners!knowing that is a great start.I don't worship anything...
Garik

United States

#8 Dec 1, 2006
Does it matter which? So many contradictions in every religion. So many things just don't feel right, nor make any sense to this mere mortal, about the concept of an all powerful, all knowing (im)perfect GOD. What does it matter. God no God how does it improve any one persons life this day to acknowledge God or RELIGION????
Robert Finch

Plaucheville, LA

#9 Dec 1, 2006
Armat wrote:
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This being a public forum Ill keep my personnal life brief. I know the differance of intelctual understanding and meditating.I meditate daily.Zen is the polar opposite of organized religion.I started in 1986 LA Zen center and fell in love with it.I dislike hypocrats and loathe them like cancer.Human beings are sinners!knowing that is a great start.I don't worship anything...
Peace Armat:

Very interesting....
Human beings are sinners....
Sinners worship incorrectly....
But what about repentant sinners? You can't deny finding The Path, and then stopping on it would be silly.
Better to worship than not, if one is clearly repentant. It is shoshin.

In my past, I too have been with various bodhissatva-persons.
I find Zen and Buddhism like being in the freshness of a mountain meadow....
I enjoy Tomita too.

Peace

Robert
Robert Finch

Plaucheville, LA

#10 Dec 1, 2006
Garik wrote:
Does it matter which? So many contradictions in every religion. So many things just don't feel right, nor make any sense to this mere mortal, about the concept of an all powerful, all knowing (im)perfect GOD. What does it matter. God no God how does it improve any one persons life this day to acknowledge God or RELIGION????
Greetings Garik of Simi Valley

I lived in Sta. Clarita, and worked in Sylmar for awhile....
In the rather hectic pace of life in southern CA, there is no time to do anything "extra".
But it is that "extra" which makes life worth living.
I agree there is a lot of clutter to get through, especially wrt religion.
In CA, a simple vacation is part of the time with regards to work.
I had to move away in order to get a better life, and perspective.
I am not saying you do that. But maybe you need a new perspective....
Garik

United States

#11 Dec 1, 2006
Robert Finch wrote:
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Greetings Garik of Simi Valley
I lived in Sta. Clarita, and worked in Sylmar for awhile....
In the rather hectic pace of life in southern CA, there is no time to do anything "extra".
But it is that "extra" which makes life worth living.
I agree there is a lot of clutter to get through, especially wrt religion.
In CA, a simple vacation is part of the time with regards to work.
I had to move away in order to get a better life, and perspective.
I am not saying you do that. But maybe you need a new perspective....
The server from work routes through Simi. I will give you the benefit of the doubt although you assume a bit much about my circumstances. You are all too right on the plight (if I can be permitted to use that word for those living in the lap of modern luxary/slavery) of those living in "decedence" (especially the "western" version of such). my life's ambition is not what one would perceive as the norm, especially for someone raised in middle class America. I have put myself through a sort of deprevation for longer then my family thought sane just to get in touch with that part within all of us that finds this way of life alien. I search for a new perspective but do not see God or maybe I cannot see "humanity" in humanity. Whatever the case you do not really answer my post as it pertains to my comments on God. Without being too presumptious I would have to say maybe you are not too different then all those who have seen the "light" and extend all patience to the blind.
Garik

United States

#12 Dec 1, 2006
Robert Finch wrote:
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Greetings Garik of Simi Valley
I lived in Sta. Clarita, and worked in Sylmar for awhile....
In the rather hectic pace of life in southern CA, there is no time to do anything "extra".
But it is that "extra" which makes life worth living.
I agree there is a lot of clutter to get through, especially wrt religion.
In CA, a simple vacation is part of the time with regards to work.
I had to move away in order to get a better life, and perspective.
I am not saying you do that. But maybe you need a new perspective....
I currently live north of SC, but I went to H.S. in the SCV and lived there until 2 yrs ago. SCV has become the new "Valley" of LA. It is not the same place I grew up in. Everyone is dying to out-do the neighbors. It is not a small town anymore.
Robert Finch

Plaucheville, LA

#13 Dec 1, 2006
Garik wrote:
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I currently live north of SC, but I went to H.S. in the SCV and lived there until 2 yrs ago. SCV has become the new "Valley" of LA. It is not the same place I grew up in. Everyone is dying to out-do the neighbors. It is not a small town anymore.
Greetings Garik:
Peace:

I understand SClarita. I was there for about 10 years. There are secrets there you wouldn't believe. Did you know what was behind the Saugus speedway for instance?
I visit CA once a year for about a month. So I know what has happeded to SC.

I once spent 3 months in the Los Padres, living on next to nothing. I know Pinos and Able well....
I was a hiker, and know Southern CA ,mountains and some of the Sierras well....I know deprevation too.
Most people in CA are 1 paycheck from bankruptcy, which makes them scurry about even harder. I have watched them too.

Be at peace....

Robert
Robert Finch

Plaucheville, LA

#14 Dec 1, 2006
Garik wrote:
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The server from work routes through Simi. I will give you the benefit of the doubt although you assume a bit much about my circumstances. You are all too right on the plight (if I can be permitted to use that word for those living in the lap of modern luxary/slavery) of those living in "decedence" (especially the "western" version of such). my life's ambition is not what one would perceive as the norm, especially for someone raised in middle class America. I have put myself through a sort of deprevation for longer then my family thought sane just to get in touch with that part within all of us that finds this way of life alien. I search for a new perspective but do not see God or maybe I cannot see "humanity" in humanity. Whatever the case you do not really answer my post as it pertains to my comments on God. Without being too presumptious I would have to say maybe you are not too different then all those who have seen the "light" and extend all patience to the blind.
Greetings Garik:

There is a difference between being
"empty" and in despair. You sound closer to the later.
Perhaps in not seeking God, you are running out of options, looking for a "new" perspective. Without God there is that sense of hopeless repetition, and no growth.
Maybe you should read up on God again, and learn to grow....How long can a plant grow in the desert without water?
These are my immediate thoughts for you.

Peace

Robert
Garik

United States

#15 Dec 1, 2006
Robert Finch wrote:
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Greetings Garik:
There is a difference between being
"empty" and in despair. You sound closer to the later.
Perhaps in not seeking God, you are running out of options, looking for a "new" perspective. Without God there is that sense of hopeless repetition, and no growth.
Maybe you should read up on God again, and learn to grow....How long can a plant grow in the desert without water?
These are my immediate thoughts for you.
Peace
Robert
I find your analogy difficult to agree with. I know water and the need for it. No animal can deny it when the body screems for it. But an unknown need for the unknowable? That is in essence what I asked to being with. No one who has faith in nothing can explain faith to those who want something.
Robert Finch

Plaucheville, LA

#16 Dec 1, 2006
Garik wrote:
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I find your analogy difficult to agree with. I know water and the need for it. No animal can deny it when the body screems for it. But an unknown need for the unknowable? That is in essence what I asked to being with. No one who has faith in nothing can explain faith to those who want something.
Greetings Garik:

You choose to have faith in nothing, just as others choose something.
Nihilism....is it the real answer, or just a rejection to the conformity of the world?
Consider the Trappist monk Thomas Merton in his book Zen and the Birds of Appetite,...Zen is like an empty nest. Perhaps you have discovered that zen is an empty nest. That is why I suggest you try a different course. Zen has emptied you. Now its time to get full of God....

Peace

Robert
Gene

AOL

#18 Dec 1, 2006
welldonepope wrote:
According to the news,pope prayed in a very famous Turkish mosque.well done pope.this is a good step to make a bridge between different faiths.
And before he left he said I am leaving half of my heart in Istanbul.it seems pope's visit is success.
good news!!!
Would a Muslim Cleric pray while facing the cross?
I don't think so
YankeeEric

AOL

#20 Dec 1, 2006
Gene wrote:
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Would a Muslim Cleric pray while facing the cross?
I don't think so
It's either the Cross way or the highway,
in US of A.
fener

Turkey

#22 Jun 6, 2014
fener

Ankara, Turkey

#23 Jul 31, 2014

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