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Pope Benedict XVI says in a new book that condoms can be justified for male prostitutes seeking to stop the spread of HIV, a stunning comment for a church criticized for its opposition to condoms and for a pontiff who has blamed them for making the AIDS crisis worse. Full Story
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Scott

Newton Center, MA

#1 Nov 20, 2010
pope said something can be 'justified' you say.
First of all, how is some so-called Christian 'leader' in a fish hat (honoring the pagan deity Dagon) justified to tell anyone what The Lord would want one to do or not? Is that pagan Egyptian obelisk made to honor Osiris and his penis that stands in St. Peter's Basilica justified?
The Bible says call no man 'Father' except Father God, so how is anyone Justified in calling someone 'Father' as the Catholics do with their preists/popes?
In the Catholic church's own catechism books they claim they were 'Justified' in changing the true seventh day Sabbath (friday sundown to saturday sundown) to Sunday. Where do they claim they get the Justification to change God's 4th Commandment (Exodus 20, Hebrews 4 etc.) Law?? They claim that the pope is 'infallible', can do no wrong. Nixon literally said the same about a president like himself.

And that whole history of the Inquisition, the mass murder and extreme torture of those who didn't believe exactly as the RC church said- that was Justified apparently, no pope authorizing such atrocities was ever 'excommunicated' as far as I know. By the way, where the *Hell do they get the notion they have the power to gatekeep someone's ability to communicate with God?!!?
Card Carry Zionist

Los Angeles, CA

#2 Nov 20, 2010
Scott wrote:
pope said something can be 'justified' you say. First of all, how is some so-called Christian 'leader' in a fish hat (honoring the pagan deity Dagon) justified to tell anyone what The Lord would want one to do or not? Is that pagan Egyptian obelisk made to honor Osiris and his penis that stands in St. Peter's Basilica justified? The Bible says call no man 'Father' except Father God, so how is anyone Justified in calling someone 'Father' as the Catholics do with their preists/popes? In the Catholic church's own catechism books they claim they were 'Justified' in changing the true seventh day Sabbath (friday sundown to saturday sundown) to Sunday. Where do they claim they get the Justification to change God's 4th Commandment (Exodus 20, Hebrews 4 etc.) Law?? They claim that the pope is 'infallible', can do no wrong. Nixon literally said the same about a president like himself. And that whole history of the Inquisition, the mass murder and extreme torture of those who didn't believe exactly as the RC church said- that was Justified apparently, no pope authorizing such atrocities was ever 'excommunicated' as far as I know. By the way, where the *Hell do they get the notion they have the power to gatekeep someone's ability to communicate with God?!!?
Let me take a wild guess: you're not Catholic.

Sol

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#3 Nov 20, 2010
He doesn't have to justify himself to ANYBODY. His fans will protect him no matter what he says or does.

Since: Jun 10

Martinez, CA

#4 Nov 20, 2010
As if the Pope needs to give his approval for anyone to use condoms. LOL!

What a funny story.
Mary

Stockton, CA

#5 Nov 20, 2010
The blatant lies the media propagates are just that, lies. They have miscontrued the Pope's personal comments.

I repeat: This is not anofficial change in Church Doctrine. This was a comment made in an interview not revision of catholic teachings.

The media has taken this and once again misunderstood and taken it out of context.
Mary

Stockton, CA

#6 Nov 20, 2010
Catholic church preaches values such as:
Chastity
Sacramental Marriage
Sanctity of Life
Charity
Forgiveness
These are just a few examples of Church doctrine: Wonder why the Media won't report on these values instead of bashing the church with lies and misunderstanding?
Jack Catholic

Stockton, CA

#7 Nov 20, 2010
Hi, all,

I must admit, I did a double take when I read the report. But if you all look carefully, the pope was speaking of the judgement call of people in the immoral profession of male prostitution. He didn't say they are morally justified by Church reconning if they choose to use condomes, but that they could possible morally justify their use... The fact of the matter is that their profession is not morally just, nor is anything they do in their profession. Use of condomes does not add annything moral to what they are doing. No, the Pope did not O.K. the use of condomes in any way shape or form. The media is simply trying to rile people on both sides of the issue to get you all to tune in frequently throughout the day for the next month so they can count each of your visits as another hit on their sight,and thus demand more money from their advertisers for advertising on their web sight. We are all being duped by the media for $$$$. Nothing in the church has changed. I love that the Church doesn't change. It doesn't try to keep up with the times, as todays modern thought will one day be yesterday's historic outmoded thought. Anyone who disagrees with the teachings of Jesus and of the Church is doomed to the same anger and chaos that have existed for all societies and peoples throughout history which have believed and acted outside the Judeo-Christian belief system.

The Church's teachings given us by Jesus have not changed because they are timeless. Since becomming Catholic, I have ceased worrying about what truth is because I know what it is, what it has always been. And I live my life with peace no matter what is happening around me. And I am content knowing that I am loved no matter what people are doing and saying around me. If what I have experienced and continue to experience as a Catholic Christian born again in the love and peace of Jesus Christ causes you to pause, perhaps Jesus is calling you to himself. Call a Catholic Church near you to learn more about the beauty, love,and peace of the Catholic Christian life.

God Bless you all,

Jack Catholic

“Can't Touch Dis!”

Since: Sep 10

Stroudsburg, PA

#8 Nov 21, 2010
Scott wrote:
pope said something can be 'justified' you say.
First of all, how is some so-called Christian 'leader' in a fish hat (honoring the pagan deity Dagon) justified to tell anyone what The Lord would want one to do or not? Is that pagan Egyptian obelisk made to honor Osiris and his penis that stands in St. Peter's Basilica justified?
The Bible says call no man 'Father' except Father God, so how is anyone Justified in calling someone 'Father' as the Catholics do with their preists/popes?
In the Catholic church's own catechism books they claim they were 'Justified' in changing the true seventh day Sabbath (friday sundown to saturday sundown) to Sunday. Where do they claim they get the Justification to change God's 4th Commandment (Exodus 20, Hebrews 4 etc.) Law?? They claim that the pope is 'infallible', can do no wrong. Nixon literally said the same about a president like himself.
And that whole history of the Inquisition, the mass murder and extreme torture of those who didn't believe exactly as the RC church said- that was Justified apparently, no pope authorizing such atrocities was ever 'excommunicated' as far as I know. By the way, where the *Hell do they get the notion they have the power to gatekeep someone's ability to communicate with God?!!?
Scott, very, very good!!

“Can't Touch Dis!”

Since: Sep 10

Stroudsburg, PA

#9 Nov 21, 2010
Sol wrote:
He doesn't have to justify himself to ANYBODY. His fans will protect him no matter what he says or does.
Ya got that right. HE makes all the rules - rules that apply even to HEAVEN. I'd say this guy needs lessons in being humble. What a jerk.
Nulli Secundus

Monroe, CT

#10 Nov 21, 2010
…rules that apply even to HEAVEN.
You don't really believe in THAT superstition, do you?
just candid

AOL

#11 Nov 21, 2010
Never Trust a person who wears a pointed white hat.
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#12 Nov 21, 2010
Mary wrote:
Catholic church preaches values such as:
Chastity
Sacramental Marriage
Sanctity of Life
Charity
Forgiveness
These are just a few examples of Church doctrine: Wonder why the Media won't report on these values instead of bashing the church with lies and misunderstanding?
You realise this is a message board for posting your personal opinions?

Cutting and pasting the same rubbish in every pope thread doesn't really qualify. You've gone from expressing your opinion to posting propoganda for the catholic cult.
Mary

Livermore, CA

#13 Nov 21, 2010
To "I can read": I'll pray for your soul at Mass today:)

In the United States we believe in freedom of speech and I exercised this right on the board.
NitaM

United States

#14 Nov 21, 2010
Mary wrote:
To "I can read": I'll pray for your soul at Mass today:)
In the United States we believe in freedom of speech and I exercised this right on the board.
Well said Mary and God bless us everyone!
NitaM

United States

#15 Nov 21, 2010
Card Carry Zionist wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me take a wild guess: you're not Catholic.
And from your avatar, let me take a wild guess you certainly aren't either. So your point is...
NitaM

United States

#16 Nov 21, 2010
MsSheryl wrote:
<quoted text>
Ya got that right. HE makes all the rules - rules that apply even to HEAVEN. I'd say this guy needs lessons in being humble. What a jerk.
MsSheryl,

APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION

Many evangelical Protestants are not even familiar with the doctrines of apostolic succession (all bishops of the Church must be successors of the College of Apostles) and Petrine succession (the head bishop of the Church must be a direct successor of St. Peter), so it comes as a surprise when they find these two things were MAJOR and NON-NEGOTIABLE doctrines of the Early Church.

The early Christians, by definition, were in union with the Chair of Peter. St. Jerome, for example, declared "I follow no leader but Christ and join in communion with none but your blessedness [Pope Damasus I], that is, with the chair of Peter (Against the Luciferians 23 [383 A.D.]).

This Chair of Peter has continued for almost 2,000 years, with Pope Benedict XVI being the current occupant of the Chair. Protestants cut themselves off from communion with this Chair in the 16th century. But now that the ancient concerns Luther had in the 16th century have long been eradicated in the Church, we hope Protestants will come back

And that would include you...
NitaM

United States

#17 Nov 21, 2010
MsSheryl wrote:
<quoted text>
Ya got that right. HE makes all the rules - rules that apply even to HEAVEN. I'd say this guy needs lessons in being humble. What a jerk.
hardly live without Him.

MsSheryl,

Are these the rules you are talking about?
Na, I think you could use a little humbling with these words spoke by our blessed Lord:

John 6:56: "He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him"

John 16:13: "When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth"

Mt 16:16-18: And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Mt 18:18: "Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven"

If Protestants were correct that the original, true Church ceased to be the true Church at some point in time, then that would mean that Jesus did not tell the truth! Jesus promised that not even the powers of hell could prevail against His Church (Mt 16:17). When his Church spoke, it would be Christ himself speaking (Lk 10:16).

He also promised to be with the teaching mission until the END OF THE AGE! Jesus said: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#18 Nov 21, 2010
Mary wrote:
To "I can read": I'll pray for your soul at Mass today:)
In the United States we believe in freedom of speech and I exercised this right on the board.
Why pray for me?

You support genocide in Africa and an organisation responsible for killing many thousands every single year.

Better pray for yourself, you are the one who needs salvation.
Jack Catholic

Stockton, CA

#19 Nov 21, 2010
Dear NitaM, and all posters on this string,

You are spot on. You know the faith well. Amen to all of your comments and all you have shared. The pope gets a bum rap from people who don't know him or what he stands for. They criticize him and the Church he shephards in their ignorance. If they only knew the truth. I see you are attempting to share that truth. I salute you. They may not hear you, but then, who knows who might stop for a moment and think when they read your posts. If someone out there reads what NitaM wrote and at some point remembers it in a quite moment, perhaps Jesus is trying to reach you through her posts. Perhaps Jesus is calling you to consider the true faith which he established and taught, and which the Catholic Church has preserved unchanged for over 2000 years. If you notice Jesus' call, pick up a phone and call a Catholic Church near you. It has been said that most people hate what they think the Catholic Church is. If they really knew the Catholic Church, they would fly to her and to the life of peace and love that she holds out to us from the hand of Jesus himself. Don't we deserve a life of peace and love?

God Bless,

Jack Catholic
Jack Catholic

Stockton, CA

#20 Nov 21, 2010
Dear I can read,

If you read what I posted, much of it cut and pasted from an authoritative source including medical and statistical data, you will see that the church does not support genocide, but indeed is the only force for an effective solution. The Catholic solution has never changed in 2000 years, and the data shows both in the US as well as in Africa that it is the only effective solution. If you don't agree with the Catholic Church on the disuse of condoms, than you are promoting a solution that has agravate the epidemic for over 20 years. That makes you the guilty one.

If you don't like the feeling of guilt, then perhaps you are beginning to realize the truth, which points to the love and life of Jesus Christ. Only the Catholic Church has been established by Jesus Christ to preserve and share His truth. Call a Catholic Church near you to learn more about the love and life that Jesus is calling you to.

God Bless,

Jack Catholic

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