The Problem Was Messaging, Not the Message, Say Catholic Bishops

Nov 17, 2012 Full story: Fire Dog Lake

The US Conference of Catholic Bishops held their annual November meeting this past week, and coming a week after the elections, it had to have been rough.

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Dave Saunders

Athens, Greece

#1 Nov 17, 2012
As bad as it is that the Catholic Church spent $2 million of parishioners' donations to foray into politics, don't forget that churches get "special rights" all the time and don't pay taxes. The lawyers for the church probably also " donated" their time and call it "pro bono" - so they can bash gay rights and feel good about it too! I wonder how many people could have been helped in productive and effective ways with $2 million? Turns out it was wasted on advertising.
RCC Truth Squad

Granger, IN

#2 Nov 17, 2012
Dave Saunders wrote:
As bad as it is that the Catholic Church spent $2 million of parishioners' donations to foray into politics, don't forget that churches get "special rights" all the time and don't pay taxes. The lawyers for the church probably also " donated" their time and call it "pro bono" - so they can bash gay rights and feel good about it too! I wonder how many people could have been helped in productive and effective ways with $2 million? Turns out it was wasted on advertising.
The importance of Communion with God and respect for Life trumps sexual behaviors. The Church has done more good for this world than any other entity of any type. War is being waged against the Body of Christ. With clarity, charity and the grace of the Holy Spirit...the Truth will win out. The Church does not "bash" gay people. It offers some measure of protection for Gay people...from their own decisions. Freedom of Religion is guaranteed by our Constitiution. Infringing on that right by using using the Tax Code is not, as much as you may wish it would, legal and will be rejected. There are not enough prisons to put all Christians in. You must be trying to stoke a civil war.
QUITTNER

Toronto, Canada

#3 Nov 18, 2012
5:18 pm, Sunday, November 18, 2012:
RE: The Problem Was Messaging, Not the Message, Say Catholic Bishops
RCC Truth Squad wrote:
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The importance of Communion with God and respect for Life trumps sexual behaviors....
..... If that body of their Christ would also respect the life of THE LIVING, then their teachings would be more credible. NO WARS, LOVE THE ENEMIES, PRESENT THE OTHER CHEEK, OBEY ALL OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS and also TO LOVE THEIR NEIGHBORS
..... Every Catholic is required to OBEY THOSE. But do they? Do you?
RCC Truth Squad

Granger, IN

#4 Nov 21, 2012
QUITTNER wrote:
5:18 pm, Sunday, November 18, 2012:
RE: The Problem Was Messaging, Not the Message, Say Catholic Bishops
<quoted text>
..... If that body of their Christ would also respect the life of THE LIVING, then their teachings would be more credible. NO WARS, LOVE THE ENEMIES, PRESENT THE OTHER CHEEK, OBEY ALL OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS and also TO LOVE THEIR NEIGHBORS
..... Every Catholic is required to OBEY THOSE. But do they? Do you?
There is no Commandment barring the use of force to protect the innocent. War is sometimes necessary...if it is just.
The respect for life by the Church is entirely credible and is the reason why many HATE it. What other entity on this earth teaches that protecting LIFE from conception to natural death is an absolute moral necessity? That teaching is good for all human beings in every stage of life regardless of race, gender (all orientations btw), age or nationality.
Expecting perfection from any human being is an unreasonable expectation. That is why the Sacrament of Reconcilliation to expiate sinfulness exists. Roman Catholic's do not have to perfect Saints to have a voice. All people are in a different place in their relationship with God. One should ultimately consider the a perfect message instead of the necessarily imperfect messenger. That would be reasonable.
Why do you believe that I do not love my enemies and neighbors? I do not totally fail in this regard and many people of faith do not fail totally either.
The most important Commandment according to Our Lord is to Love God with all of ones heart and soul. This can only be done by possessing enough humility to recognize that we are creatures who depend on our very existence and happiness on Him alone.
Trying to eliminate God from the life of our country is utterly futile. Easier to eradicate water and oxygen! It is the height of fantasy and delusion to think that anyone can eliminate God. Attack the Church and it will simply grow stronger.
It is unfortunate that our country will have to learn hard lessons. The disintegration of civilized behaviours (prisons are overflowing, the callous neglect of helpless children and elderly, the devotion to self-centered indulgence and the increasing violence in our society) are a result of a belief that Christ is someone whose message should be ignored.
This is truth: A truly free society cannot function without recognizing God as the source of its freedom. It otherwise falls into the inevitable tyranny which human beings always create for themselves.
PAUL SHYKORA Arts

Calgary, Canada

#5 Nov 22, 2012
..GOD BLESS..the Roman Catholic Church,here...simple...eh...LO V'yha...

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