Did a 'Gay Lobby' Pressure Pope to Resign?

Feb 25, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: EDGE

It may seem odd that Pope Benedict XVI suddenly decided to resign -- the first pope to do so in over 600 years.

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#21 Feb 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Fair enough.
At least you're consistent.
Yeah, and sometimes it hurts like a real bitch! lol

DNF

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#22 Feb 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
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If faith and politics intersect, then what?
It happens.
For instance, the Church speaks clearly on matters of social justice. Should they remain silent on this?
Good points. Glad you brought this up. The church I joined is very involved in social issues. It would be the height of hypocrisy for me to say one religious groups political actions are correct and others aren't simply because I disagree with their beliefs.

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#23 Feb 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Also, other denominations have made statements supporting gay marriage.
Should they be silent as well?
Politics and religion have been intermingled for thousands of years. Those who insist on a clear separation of the two are, IMO, hopelessly naive.

DNF

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#24 Feb 25, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Politics and religion have been intermingled for thousands of years. Those who insist on a clear separation of the two are, IMO, hopelessly naive.
After reading what I wrote above I see I need to issue a few retractions. Those who want a clear separation are not hopelessly naive, so I apologize for making such a boneheaded statement.

There is of course a great danger in mixing religion and politics. The extremism we've seen throughout history when this happens is proof enough.

Civil rights and secular law are the purview of the State. Yet one's "morality" is also a factor. That "morality" is almost always based on philosophical or religious beliefs. There is no simple clear cut solution that I can see except for people to try to balance the two as best they can.
paul SHYKORA arts

Calgary, Canada

#25 Feb 25, 2013
....Vhaaat ??...''no''...whew...eh..

DNF

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#26 Feb 25, 2013
I think the whole "gay lobby" thing was more of a hook to get publicity than anything based on reality.

To me, once again, people are trying to claim we have more power and influence than we really do.

The article talks about "of a report that accused Vatican officials of being under the influence of a number of lobbies within the Holy See, including a gay lobby. There is a report, which was commissioned by the pope soon after the Vatileaks scandal that made headlines last year.

The three cardinals who wrote the report allegedly uncovered "various lobbies within the Holy See...."

This isn't "news". There have always been groups within the R.C.C. that are at odds with other groups in the church; Dominicans vs. Jesuits for example. And let's not forget Opus Dei.

Then there are the 'nationalist lobbies'(for years the idea of a non Italian Pope was almost unthinkable).

I think he resigned not so much because of health issues but because he sees he can't fix all the problems he inherited; the child sex abuse cover up and the Vatican Bank scandal to name just two.
paul SHYKORA arts

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#27 Feb 25, 2013
..THE GAY Thing is really a ..non-issue,here....propaganda ...eh...(-)...

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#28 Feb 25, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Politics and religion have been intermingled for thousands of years. Those who insist on a clear separation of the two are, IMO, hopelessly naive.
HEY!! I resemble that remark!
ravcax

Pittsburgh, PA

#29 Feb 25, 2013
youtube.com/watch... Questioning a Period
of pressure? I would say yes

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#30 Feb 25, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Politics and religion have been intermingled for thousands of years. Those who insist on a clear separation of the two are, IMO, hopelessly naive.
Pat

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#32 Feb 25, 2013
JohnInToronto wrote:
If an African is elected pope there will almost surely be a schism. Anti-popes in Rome, popes in Nairobi (or vice-versa).
I do not believe the Catholic Church in its present form will last more than 10 years if another right-wing pope is elected.
oh yeah, after 2000 year s it will just end because your don't care for the rulings of Holy men....

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#35 Feb 25, 2013
Brown Lipstick wrote:
Boy for a group of people claiming to have had little detriment on everything that is wrong with America you sure project yourself as influential martyrs when called upon to defame and degrade anyone that disagrees with you.
We save it all up just for you.
The Oracle

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#36 Feb 26, 2013
Referring to homosexuals as 'Gays' is fatuous.

Homosexuals are homosexuals.

'Gays' are those dubious heterosexuals who defend and protect homosexuals.

“Common courtesy, isn't”

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#37 Feb 26, 2013
The Oracle wrote:
Referring to homosexuals as 'Gays' is fatuous.
Homosexuals are homosexuals.
'Gays' are those dubious heterosexuals who defend and protect homosexuals.
Actually, as the American Heritage Dictionary points out, the terms "homosexual" and "heterosexual" are adjectives. Used correctly, they modify nouns, including "person", "activities", etc. Using them as nouns is a bastardization of their original meaning.

The increasingly archaic term "homophile" suffered the opposite fate. It was originally used as a noun to refer to a homosexual male, then it morphed into a broader term which included anyone who was supportive of homosexual persons, and then it became an adjective.

At this point, all these terms are pretty much defined by the context in which they are used. Oops! There's the bell. Class dismissed.

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#38 Feb 26, 2013
The Oracle wrote:
Referring to homosexuals as 'Gays' is fatuous.
Homosexuals are homosexuals.
'Gays' are those dubious heterosexuals who defend and protect homosexuals.
"Gay" comes from the 18th Century Dutch deckhand's slang "ghey", meaning "randy", as in "a randy tar".
The Oracle

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#39 Feb 27, 2013
snyper wrote:
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"Gay" comes from the 18th Century Dutch deckhand's slang "ghey", meaning "randy", as in "a randy tar".

Is that randy homosexual tar or randy heterosexual tar?

Not sure what your point is, are you suggesting all randy sailors are homosexuals i.e. ghey (gay)?
The Oracle

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#40 Feb 27, 2013
Otter in the Ozarks wrote:
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Actually, as the American Heritage Dictionary points out, the terms "homosexual" and "heterosexual" are adjectives. Used correctly, they modify nouns, including "person", "activities", etc. Using them as nouns is a bastardization of their original meaning.
The increasingly archaic term "homophile" suffered the opposite fate. It was originally used as a noun to refer to a homosexual male, then it morphed into a broader term which included anyone who was supportive of homosexual persons, and then it became an adjective.
At this point, all these terms are pretty much defined by the context in which they are used. Oops! There's the bell. Class dismissed.

We don't use the American Heritage Dictionary in the UK. We invented and developed the English language so don't need to deal in bastardised versions. In American English the pure language is bastardised. That's bastardised with an 's' not a 'z', a typical example of where American English differs from real English.

Your smart alec response is typical of your breed. Homosexuals are perverts in any language.
The Oracle

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#41 Feb 27, 2013
Otter in the Ozarks wrote:
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Actually, as the American Heritage Dictionary points out, the terms "homosexual" and "heterosexual" are adjectives. Used correctly, they modify nouns, including "person", "activities", etc. Using them as nouns is a bastardization of their original meaning.
The increasingly archaic term "homophile" suffered the opposite fate. It was originally used as a noun to refer to a homosexual male, then it morphed into a broader term which included anyone who was supportive of homosexual persons, and then it became an adjective.
At this point, all these terms are pretty much defined by the context in which they are used. Oops! There's the bell. Class dismissed.

Perhaps when your English improves you will understand the consequences of common usage.

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#42 Feb 27, 2013
The Oracle wrote:
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Is that randy homosexual tar or randy heterosexual tar?
Not sure what your point is, are you suggesting all randy sailors are homosexuals i.e. ghey (gay)?
Cannot either be randy?

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#43 Feb 27, 2013
The Oracle wrote:
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We don't use the American Heritage Dictionary in the UK. We invented and developed the English language so don't need to deal in bastardised versions. In American English the pure language is bastardised. That's bastardised with an 's' not a 'z', a typical example of where American English differs from real English.
Your smart alec response is typical of your breed. Homosexuals are perverts in any language.
You "invented" the English language? "Invented"? Really? How and where was it "invented"? Fa-FA, Fa-FA, Fa-Fa-Fa-FA.

Cheerio, mate!

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