Society of St. Pius X rejects reconciliation

[Petra]

The Abomination of Desolation is the Novos Ordo. The last couple of Popes have been Anti-popes who have obeyed their handlers the Masons in destroying the Church! Our Lady of Fatima warned us about this in the Third Secret that was supposed to be released prior to 1960 when, She said, it would be much clearer then. She was talking about the catostrophic changes that would be made to the Mass of All Time! Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto.

[haven]

Petra wrote:

The Abomination of Desolation is the Novos Ordo. The last couple of Popes have been Anti-popes who have obeyed their handlers the Masons in destroying the Church! Our Lady of Fatima warned us about this in the Third Secret that was supposed to be released prior to 1960 when, She said, it would be much clearer then. She was talking about the catostrophic changes that would be made to the Mass of All Time! Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto.

Amen, You have it right!

[haven]

JOHN wrote:

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I am really sorry that you feel that way about those who follow the Pope. The thing is I agree with alot of what you say, that is what is so sad. I was really hoping that we could have a good honest exchange of conversation about the Church.

John I wish that I could modify what I say but it is too obvious to ignore. Faith comes before obedience.

[Cruzader99]

Mike wrote:

Jerseyite & Cruzader,
You have even a remote clue of what ecclesiasticism entails-you both are uninformed of the differences between principles, practices and spirit intended. It is no small wonder to me that you left the Roman Catholic Church. Continue to enjoy the music at your venue.

I haven't left the Church, the Church left me. Besides, by the Church's decree I am still Catholic did you know that? I am sure you will argue with that. I don't care.

I am not one bit uniformed. If you think Jesus or the Holy Spirit has anything to do with the bizarre things that are going on in the Church today, I ask you to reconsider your position.

If you want to ignore the signs that the Church is in serious trouble, at least look at the closings, schools shutting down, Confession down, membership down, Catholics aborting, taking birth control, divorcing right and left, the gay mafia that overtook the priesthood.

Homosexual Culture Undercuts Priesthood

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/...

Gay Priests: The "Lavender Mafia" Inside Catholic Church

http://www.edstrong.blog-city.com/gay_priests...

You think that Pope Benedict XVI decreeing that they can't be in seminary anymore will change the fact that these perverts that molested Catholic children are already in the Church acting as priests? Why the hell didn't he have the courage to kick them all out?

Keep ignoring the elephant in the room until he tears the room asunder or get him out of the room.

[Cruzader99]

Message to Novus Ordites:

"Also in the Catholic Church itself we take great care that we hold that which has been believed everywhere, always, by all. For that is truly and properly Catholic, as the very force and meaning of the word shows, which comprehends everything almost universally. And we shall observe this rule if we follow universality, antiquity, consent. We shall follow universality if we confess that one Faith to be true which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is plain that our ancestors and fathers proclaimed; consent if in antiquity itself we eagerly follow the definitions and beliefs of all, or certainly nearly all, priests and doctors alike."

"What, then, will the Catholic Christian do if any part of the Church has cut itself off from the communion of the Universal Faith? What surely but prefer the soundness of the whole body to a pestilent and corrupt member?

"What if some novel contagion seek to infect the whole Church, and not merely a small portion of it? Then he will take care to cling to antiquity, which cannot now be led astray by any novel deceit.

"What if in antiquity itself error be detected on the part of two or three men, or perhaps of a city, or even of a province? Then he will look to it that he prefer the decrees of an ancient General Council, if such there be, to the rashness and ignorance of a few.

"But what if some error spring up concerning which nothing of this kind is to be found? Then he must take pains to find out and compare the opinions of the ancients, provided, of course, that such remained in the communion and faith of the One Catholic Church, although they lived in different times and places, conspicuous and approved teachers; and whatever he shall find to have been held, written and taught, not by one or two only, but by all equally and with one consent, openly, frequently and persistently, that he must understand is to be believed by himself also without the slightest hesitation."

- St. Vincent of Lerins, "The Commonitory, book 1, chapter 2, no. 6-8, pp. 26-28. Emphasis added.

[haven]

It is good to see that some others here see things as I do. Those who follow these recent changes are papoleters. They follow the man instead of the faith, even if that man has turned his back on the faith of all time for some modern novelties ..

[haven]

Some more Vatican hanky pankJoseph Ratzinger/Benedict XVI's publicly expressed desire for there to be "no more fractures" in the Anglican "community." While there are some "conservative" commentators in the world of paradox and contradiction that is the counterfeit church of conciliarism who discount certain press reports that the false "pontiff" will not accept Anglican "converts" to the conciliar ranks following the conclusion of the upcoming Lambeth Committee meeting in England, these commentators must ignore Ratzinger/Benedict's own words that is "praying" for there to be "no more fractures" in the false "church of England" and they must ignore the fact the Ratzinger/Benedict will accept "converts" in the name of respecting their "freedom of consciences." No one in his right mind can contend that Ratzinger/Benedict believes for a nanosecond that members of the Anglican "sect" must convert unconditionally to the Catholic Church before they die in order to save their immortal souls. Our Lady of Mount Carmel, pray for us. Saint Stock, O. Carm., of Kent, England, pray for us. Saint Alexius, pray for us. The Sixteen Carmelite Martyrs of Compiegne, pray for us.
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[Pax et Bonum]

haven wrote:

It is good to see that some others here see things as I do. Those who follow these recent changes are papoleters. They follow the man instead of the faith, even if that man has turned his back on the faith of all time for some modern novelties ..

Yes, it must be good to feel you are not alone. What it doesn't do is make you and others like you any more correct in your anti-Catholic attitudes. What it doesn't do is make your heretical sect any more lasting than those now long past in the history of the Roman Catholic church.

[gene d]

JOHN wrote:

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I am really sorry that you feel that way about those who follow the Pope. The thing is I agree with alot of what you say, that is what is so sad. I was really hoping that we could have a good honest exchange of conversation about the Church.

John,
I am taken by your concern, but it is difficult to have a diologue with extremists. It tends not to be their strong suit.Fellay is an extremist as the Pope has come to learn. As I said before, the more reasonable folks have returned or are in the process of returning. I'm afraid that we are trying to communicate with extremists or those who are so deluded by the extremists that they can not see the paradoxical nature of their position.
Peace-g

[Cruzader99]

Pax et Bonum wrote:

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Yes, it must be good to feel you are not alone. What it doesn't do is make you and others like you any more correct in your anti-Catholic attitudes. What it doesn't do is make your heretical sect any more lasting than those now long past in the history of the Roman Catholic church.

Oh we're heretics why you guys are praying with Muslims, Buddhists, priests into Zen Buddhism, having your chummy interfaith services with Protestants, falling on the floor in charismatics swoon, babbling speaking in tongues, puppet Masses, clown Masses, priests who think they are rappers, i.e. Father Stan Fortuno, nuns out of habit preaching for women priests, gay priests running amok, handling the Holy Host in your hands, not kneeling before taking the Holy Host,
priests giving Communion to heretic pro-abort Kerry, Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, all the Dumocrat Catholics, altar being stripped bare:

http://cathcon.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-repla...

Hmm.. somebody is in heresy okay, but it ain't us!

[Cruzader99]

haven wrote:

It is good to see that some others here see things as I do. Those who follow these recent changes are papoleters. They follow the man instead of the faith, even if that man has turned his back on the faith of all time for some modern novelties ..

Hello Haven. I go to St. Michael's in Atlanta, Georgia. We have a very nice parish and it is growing. We are adding almost weekly.

After our Archbishop Donoghue retired, things got worse. Archbishop Donoghue was a real champion for the Tradition. Hated to see him go.. so I went straight to the SSPX.

The parish I grew up, Immaculate Heart of Mary, they had a new priest come in, he ripped kneelers out, took the beautiful statue of Mary down in the
chapel, put the tabernacle out of view, went nuts with ecumencial services, I began to feel I was in a Protestant church.

I couldn't take it anymore. I understand my old parish has a new priest now and everything is back in order there, but it's too late. This modernism that has crept into the Church is destroying the Church as I knew it. The SSPX nor I will come back until it is stopped. Time for some order in the court.

[Cruzader99]

That's strange. Somebody gave my post by St. Vincent of Lerins a flame, a peanut and a dimbulb. I wonder why someone here wouldn't like St. Vincent.

[Pax et Bonum]

Cruzader99 wrote:

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Oh we're heretics why you guys are praying with Muslims, Buddhists, priests into Zen Buddhism, having your chummy interfaith services with Protestants, falling on the floor in charismatics swoon, babbling speaking in tongues, puppet Masses, clown Masses, priests who think they are rappers, i.e. Father Stan Fortuno, nuns out of habit preaching for women priests, gay priests running amok, handling the Holy Host in your hands, not kneeling before taking the Holy Host,
priests giving Communion to heretic pro-abort Kerry, Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, all the Dumocrat Catholics, altar being stripped bare:
http://cathcon.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-repla...
Hmm.. somebody is in heresy okay, but it ain't us!

I know it must seem terrible to follow in the footsteps of Christ. The reality is he sat and chatted with a Samaritan woman. This was considered to be as awlful as the things you portraied to the Jewish community He was a part of. The rest is just more of the same from you and the others like you and are as easily discounted this time as before. Heresy many ways is in the eye of the beholder. It will be interesting as time goes by as to whose vision was clearer.

[haven]

Cruzader99 wrote:

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Hello Haven. I go to St. Michael's in Atlanta, Georgia. We have a very nice parish and it is growing. We are adding almost weekly.
After our Archbishop Donoghue retired, things got worse. Archbishop Donoghue was a real champion for the Tradition. Hated to see him go.. so I went straight to the SSPX.
The parish I grew up, Immaculate Heart of Mary, they had a new priest come in, he ripped kneelers out, took the beautiful statue of Mary down in the
chapel, put the tabernacle out of view, went nuts with ecumencial services, I began to feel I was in a Protestant church.
I couldn't take it anymore. I understand my old parish has a new priest now and everything is back in order there, but it's too late. This modernism that has crept into the Church is destroying the Church as I knew it. The SSPX nor I will come back until it is stopped. Time for some order in the court.

Crusader,

I go to the SSPX chapel in Pittston, Pa. It is of all things a converted synagogue made into a beautiful little church.

The confessions lines are long every Sunday before mass and we have benediction after mass.

It is beautiful. I could o longer take hill bully masses, and every other nonsense that took place. People gabbing during the mass and treating the Host as a cookie. Too much indifference.

[Cruzader99]

Pax et Bonum wrote:

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I know it must seem terrible to follow in the footsteps of Christ. The reality is he sat and chatted with a Samaritan woman. This was considered to be as awlful as the things you portraied to the Jewish community He was a part of. The rest is just more of the same from you and the others like you and are as easily discounted this time as before. Heresy many ways is in the eye of the beholder. It will be interesting as time goes by as to whose vision was clearer.

The difference between our Lord and the ecumenists in the Church today, our Lord called them to repentance and to believe on Him. Not to stay in their false religions.

[Cruzader99]

haven wrote:

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Crusader,
I go to the SSPX chapel in Pittston, Pa. It is of all things a converted synagogue made into a beautiful little church.
The confessions lines are long every Sunday before mass and we have benediction after mass.
It is beautiful. I could o longer take hill bully masses, and every other nonsense that took place. People gabbing during the mass and treating the Host as a cookie. Too much indifference.

The Christ Jesus Chapel. I went over to the SSPX website to see if they had a picture of your church. Unfortunately, they didn't.

From your description it must be lovely. It's so nice to hear of those long Confession lines.

[haven]

Cruzader99 wrote:

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The Christ Jesus Chapel. I went over to the SSPX website to see if they had a picture of your church. Unfortunately, they didn't.
From your description it must be lovely. It's so nice to hear of those long Confession lines.

This is all that I could find on the internet.

I am fortunate to have it.

http://yellowpages.superpages.com/profile~N_C...

[Cruzader99]

haven wrote:

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This is all that I could find on the internet.
I am fortunate to have it.
http://yellowpages.superpages.com/profile~N_C...

Oh, your address was on the SSPX site. I just wanted to see a picture of your church and the SSPX didn't have a link to one.

You guys should send them over a picture so they can put it on their website.

I have been trying to get my parish to put up a website.

[Pax et Bonum]

Cruzader99 wrote:

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The difference between our Lord and the ecumenists in the Church today, our Lord called them to repentance and to believe on Him. Not to stay in their false religions.

The Lord spoke to her and others about changing and repenting of sinful behavior. He did not tell her that she had to go to the Temple in Jerusalem to do this. Do not base all that you think you know on news bites and YouTube segments. What is being discussed in private or not considered inflamitory enough to be newsworthy does not paint a proper picture of what is really taking place.

[SanctoSanctoSanc to]

Cruzader99 wrote:

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Oh we're heretics why you guys are praying with Muslims, Buddhists, priests into Zen Buddhism, having your chummy interfaith services with Protestants, falling on the floor in charismatics swoon, babbling speaking in tongues, puppet Masses, clown Masses, priests who think they are rappers, i.e. Father Stan Fortuno, nuns out of habit preaching for women priests, gay priests running amok, handling the Holy Host in your hands, not kneeling before taking the Holy Host,
priests giving Communion to heretic pro-abort Kerry, Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, all the Dumocrat Catholics, altar being stripped bare:
http://cathcon.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-repla...
Hmm.. somebody is in heresy okay, but it ain't us!

You have to change your mindset. Remember, the Novus Ordo is NOT A MASS. It is a protestant service. There is no consecration taking place at their service. Reason being that they change the MASS which was codified by Pope Pius V. Also, they use a table instead of an altar. Therefore, they are not receiving the Body of Christ. They are receiving, unfortunately, a wafer!