'Atheism for kids'? Film sparks outcry

A new $150 million film based on the novel The Golden Compass has Christian conservatives seeing red. Full Story
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Since: Jul 07

Orlando

#1 Oct 31, 2007
Didn't they learn anything from Harry Potter? No one listened to them then, why do they think anyone will now? All this does is give the movie free publicity.
If a children's movie shatters your faith then you shouldn't bother believing anyway.
Who cares if the author is an atheist/agnostic/buddhist/shin toist/pantheist/deist etc. I am an atheist and I actually enjoyed The Chronicles of Narnia despite its overt Christian symbolism. I really don't see what the big deal is.
Phin

Smyrna, GA

#2 Oct 31, 2007
Why is it okay to teach religion to kids but not atheism?

Oh yea, because the only reason people believe in religion in the first place is because they were brainwashed as children before they knew any better.

Religion is dying a slow death, I don't blame the Christians for being upset.

awc

“Pepperland”

Since: Dec 06

Pepperland

#3 Oct 31, 2007
if your faith can be shaken by a stupid movie, then your faith is shallow anyway. it's not the media, but the parents responsibility to decide what their kids watch anyway. the media has never been any more of a good role model than ol' satan himself. as csn&y said " teach your children"....
EMG

Simpsonville, SC

#4 Oct 31, 2007
Funny thing is I am an atheist and my children are being raised as non-theist and happen to be wonderful compassionate people. They do not judge and they have been taught to accept others differenced whether religious or otherwise. Children raised in a house that embraces mythology have a warped sense of reality hence the belief in a jolly fat elf that slides down a chimney or a over sized bunny that delivers chocolates and eggs in the middle of the night. None of which are true or even remotely plausible.

Christians expect society to accept their doctrines as they attempt to subjugate them into legislation, litter the streets with their propaganda and even fund numerous children's movies. However they get their panties in a bunch when some other ideology other than their own is publicized to children or even adults for that matter. It is a horrific double standard. I believe Richard Dawkins states it clearly with the term "undeserved respect." You can smash someones political stance, bash the way they raise children, criticize their life style choices, even demean their physical appearance but the second someone says something against religious beliefs foul play is called and the religious right cries and moans about it. The hypocrisy is astounding!

And for the record Henry David Thoreau, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Payne, and Thomas Edison were the people that really fostered my initial feelings of there being no deity, not television or the movie theater. Reason has a way of finding its way into the minds of the youth, its the brain washing due to religious dogmas that drives the reason out of children's minds.
mason

Mchenry, IL

#5 Oct 31, 2007
i get the sense that Roger didn't read any of these books. Is it so hard to find someone qualified to report on a story?

Besides, the Catholic church has enough problems in the real world to deal with--why give them opportunity to distract from their hypocrisies to tilt against windmills?
irony

Lexington, SC

#6 Oct 31, 2007
an i resent my grandkids being exposed to books they read at my in-laws that hvae drawings of man and dinosaurs co-exisiting because they teach that the planet is only 7000 years old.

the books are attractive to the kids because they have dinosaurs in them and purport to be science books. talk about baiting kids ...
Grouchy Conservative

Orlando, FL

#7 Oct 31, 2007
Lets examine the word "Atheist".

A: prefix (not productive)(Old English) off, a prefix of negation.

Theist: noun (from Greek theos=god+ist)
Originally meaning a person who believes in god or gods.
Now, a person who believes in one god who created and intervenes in the universe.

So the label of atheist means a person doesn't buy the story of an invisible man in the sky who always needs money. It does not imply a person is without morals.
Nigel

Charlotte, NC

#8 Oct 31, 2007
What an interesting social experiment, who will get the bigger ticket sales at the cinema The Compass movie or the new veggie tales movie...I can not wait to find out.
Franck

Atlanta, GA

#9 Oct 31, 2007
Grouchy Conservative wrote:
Lets examine the word "Atheist".
A: prefix (not productive)(Old English) off, a prefix of negation.
Theist: noun (from Greek theos=god+ist)
Originally meaning a person who believes in god or gods.
Now, a person who believes in one god who created and intervenes in the universe.
So the label of atheist means a person doesn't buy the story of an invisible man in the sky who always needs money. It does not imply a person is without morals.
Hmm.. Oxford dictionary paints a different picture.

atheism

/aythi-iz’m/

• noun the belief that God does not exist.

— DERIVATIVES atheist noun atheistic adjective atheistical adjective.

— ORIGIN from Greek a-‘without’+ theos ‘god’.
Grouchy Consevative

Orlando, FL

#10 Oct 31, 2007
You have a good start Franck. The word Atheist is the word theist with the prefix of negation attached. Some of our founding fathers were theists but not Christians.
BTW, my definitions are checked in the two volume (A-M,N-Z) Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, Fifth Edition.
Franck

Atlanta, GA

#11 Oct 31, 2007
Grouchy Consevative wrote:
You have a good start Franck. The word Atheist is the word theist with the prefix of negation attached. Some of our founding fathers were theists but not Christians.
BTW, my definitions are checked in the two volume (A-M,N-Z) Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, Fifth Edition.
Well, regardless of what dictionary, it all boils down to one meaning doesn't it? Atheists don't accept God.
Grouchy Consevative

Orlando, FL

#12 Oct 31, 2007
By definition an atheist is content without asking the unseen for more.
I'm beyond atheism, I'm quite content with the sky as it is. The other day my Italian wife asked me to pick up some wine for dinner. Seeing a Walgreen's I pulled in. Asking the clerk for direction to the wine, the clerk responded: "We can't sell wine at this store. There's a church across the street." Pondering the dilemma of the churchgoers on Sunday morning,(go to church or get drunk?) the law seemed to assist religion. Well the law saves them by banning sales of the offending spirit from their vicinity. That law affects me too.
Franck

Atlanta, GA

#13 Oct 31, 2007
Grouchy Consevative wrote:
By definition an atheist is content without asking the unseen for more.
I'm beyond atheism, I'm quite content with the sky as it is. The other day my Italian wife asked me to pick up some wine for dinner. Seeing a Walgreen's I pulled in. Asking the clerk for direction to the wine, the clerk responded: "We can't sell wine at this store. There's a church across the street." Pondering the dilemma of the churchgoers on Sunday morning,(go to church or get drunk?) the law seemed to assist religion. Well the law saves them by banning sales of the offending spirit from their vicinity. That law affects me too.
Well, hey man, I'm Catholic. I would have sold you the wine, LOL!
Grouchy Consevative

Orlando, FL

#14 Oct 31, 2007
LOL here too. Franck, most people of religious faith set a fine example as role models. My Italian bride and her very large New York family are all Catholic. We spent last Christmas Eve at midnight mass with the Pope at his place. What a place the Vatican is! I got to give credit where credit is due. When the world was in the dark ages of mankind, like it or not the church published, maintained libraries, and staffed schools with teachers. It was (largely) the chuch that kept education alive.
Franck

Atlanta, GA

#15 Oct 31, 2007
Grouchy Consevative wrote:
LOL here too. Franck, most people of religious faith set a fine example as role models. My Italian bride and her very large New York family are all Catholic. We spent last Christmas Eve at midnight mass with the Pope at his place. What a place the Vatican is! I got to give credit where credit is due. When the world was in the dark ages of mankind, like it or not the church published, maintained libraries, and staffed schools with teachers. It was (largely) the chuch that kept education alive.
It's a wonderful place to visit that's for sure. I'm pleased you enjoyed it.
guest

United States

#16 Oct 31, 2007
awc wrote:
if your faith can be shaken by a stupid movie, then your faith is shallow anyway. it's not the media, but the parents responsibility to decide what their kids watch anyway. the media has never been any more of a good role model than ol' satan himself. as csn&y said " teach your children"....
I agree.

Since: Oct 07

Port Orange, FL

#17 Oct 31, 2007
It's not enough for the evangelists to just not "expose" their kids to the movie; they want to prevent ANY kids from seeing it, and possibly being exposed to criticism of their fantasy, oops, I mean religion. Given the size, wealth and influence of the christian empire, their insecurity seems a bit out of place. But I guess they have finally begun to realize that their ship is sinking.
Vista Sux

UK

#18 Nov 1, 2007
Phin wrote:
Why is it okay to teach religion to kids but not atheism?
Oh yea, because the only reason people believe in religion in the first place is because they were brainwashed as children before they knew any better.
Religion is dying a slow death, I don't blame the Christians for being upset.
Well said. I feel sorry for Christians if they need constant lessons to remember to act like human beings. Some of us can be kind to others without having to be brainwashed by fairytales.

Since: Jul 07

Orlando

#19 Nov 1, 2007
Grouchy Consevative wrote:
LOL here too. Franck, most people of religious faith set a fine example as role models. My Italian bride and her very large New York family are all Catholic. We spent last Christmas Eve at midnight mass with the Pope at his place. What a place the Vatican is! I got to give credit where credit is due. When the world was in the dark ages of mankind, like it or not the church published, maintained libraries, and staffed schools with teachers. It was (largely) the chuch that kept education alive.
Then why did they persecute Galileo for defending the (true) theory of heliocentrism? That is a huge black mark.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

Since: Jul 07

Orlando

#20 Nov 1, 2007
The fundies have yet to find this thread. I'm hoping for some spirited exchanges soon.
It's Harry Potter deja vu.

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