There is always hope, even if you can...

There is always hope, even if you can't see it

There are 42 comments on the Eureka Times Standard story from May 26, 2009, titled There is always hope, even if you can't see it. In it, Eureka Times Standard reports that:

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. -- Phil Donahue, 1984 A lack of hope.

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Mark

United States

#1 May 26, 2009
If you are in pain 24 hours a day and there is no way to relieve the pain,then I think you have the right to take it a way!
victims of injustice

Georgetown, TX

#2 May 26, 2009
It is too bad that those in suicide prevention cannot express the principle that there is no problem larger than life. People should be able to express their feelings more freely in our socity and, such feelings should be well received. That is not the case however in our society. We live in a throw-away society where if you don't exude a bright, positive attitude you are distanced and excluded. Why? Because within our society many exist as a very selfesh, superficial, self-centered segment. And if you are a victim of that selfishness, be prepared to have the stigma of a scarlett letter inscribed across your forehead as being "depressed" or "menatlly ill". A marvelous stigma to overcome, eh?

If as the so-called mental health expert explains are the warning signs of potential suicide victims, why aren't they suggesting a high-risk person's friends and/or family (if they have them) attemp to maintain frequent contacts, both physical and by phone inquiring on them? Invite them to engage in activities. Why are so many "services" listed for help when the best help is/are people who are connected personally with the high risk individual?

"George said the county is working to develop a continuum of programs and services to raise awareness about suicide prevention, but it will need the participation of the entire community to make an impact."

It's not programs that will solve this problem. It's people being nice to oneanother that will solve this problem. But society can't seem to comprehend that simple fact of life.
HaroldA Maio

Cape Coral, FL

#3 May 26, 2009
”There's a really strong sense of community here and at the same time there is a quite a bit of stigma and discrimination that is very apparent ...(a) stigma against the mentally ill,” she said.(Asha George, deputy director for the Mental Health Branch of the Department of Health and Human Services)

I am not sure I would want her representing me, for among the most basic of prejudices, upon which most acts of discrimination are based, is this "the," "the" mentally ill, "the" Jews, "the" Blacks. The caricature pretended is easily recognized in "the" Blacks. That you presented this example equanimously is significant.

One of the acts of discrimination, the pretense of a "stigma," is twice imposed above. Women who survived sexual assault here once broadly experienced the identical allegation, now a woman is re-directing it at me? We are a strange people.

The realities:

Mental illnesses affect people in every strata of society, from the most successful to the least. They affect women in about equal proportion to men, contradicting the portrayal, "the" mentally ill. We are as varied a group as any.
The great majority of us, our medical records private, and our successes public, experience no discrimination, pursue our careers as successfully as any.
Caricature is never entertaining in journalism.
Jean Lynch

Georgetown, TX

#4 May 26, 2009
No one in Humboldt Co. knows why there is an increase of suicide here as a statement is really silly. We have no jobs, no future, and our county leaders thinks drugs are a way to make money. Why don't you do an HONEST report on the effects of Marijauna on the mental health of individuals? Say, the effects on the 13 to 17 year olds development years and how it stunts mental growth.
vic mackey

Hayward, CA

#6 May 26, 2009
good point Jean Lynch. I think true Americans also realize what a major mistake Obama is!!!He is all show, worth no dough!!!!
Mike Mogan

San Francisco, CA

#7 May 26, 2009
"NOTE: Most people considering suicide do exhibit warning signals, but there is a smaller percentage who do not. If you, a loved one or friend is or appears to be considering suicide, don't delay in seeking assistance."

FOR HELP:

Humboldt County 24-hour crisis services line: PRAY TO GOD & ASK JESUS FOR HELP AND YOU WON'T BE PUT ON HOLD !!
Anonymous

Mckinleyville, CA

#8 May 26, 2009
"No one is sure..." Increased unemployment, complete breakdown of societal justice, universal concern for people rather than money, incompetent and cruel governmental "human services" department. This is not a mystery, folks -- the mystery is that the rates aren't higher.
Anonymous

Mckinleyville, CA

#9 May 26, 2009
Um, that would be "money rather than people," but you already knew that, didn't you?
Ellen

Eureka, CA

#10 May 26, 2009
Mike Mogan wrote:
"Humboldt County 24-hour crisis services line: PRAY TO GOD & ASK JESUS FOR HELP AND YOU WON'T BE PUT ON HOLD !!
I am offended by this comment. Those people do the best they can, with the resources available to them. Yeah, I know someone who works there and they are oveworked and understaffed in my opinion.
CJ Saint Claire

Arcata, CA

#11 May 26, 2009
Same old Mike, typical ignorant bible pounder (redundant expression, I know). A Blanket statement about "most people considering suicide" is completely invalid - we have developed into a culture of the selfish rather than selfless and the conscience it takes to heed the desperate cries of someone suicidal is often too much to ask. It takes a real caring individual to work a hotline, and once you have worked on one you know the ratio frequency of openly caring individuals is very low.
Mike Mogan wrote:
"NOTE: Most people considering suicide do exhibit warning signals, but there is a smaller percentage who do not. If you, a loved one or friend is or appears to be considering suicide, don't delay in seeking assistance."
FOR HELP:
Humboldt County 24-hour crisis services line: PRAY TO GOD & ASK JESUS FOR HELP AND YOU WON'T BE PUT ON HOLD !!
It is vitally important to hear when friends / loved ones even HINT at suicide. Take care of each other and never fear to come to the aid of another. Compassion is paramount.

“HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”

Since: Dec 07

McKinleyville

#12 May 26, 2009
victims of injustice wrote:
It is too bad that those in suicide prevention cannot express the principle that there is no problem larger than life. People should be able to express their feelings more freely in our socity and, such feelings should be well received. That is not the case however in our society. We live in a throw-away society where if you don't exude a bright, positive attitude you are distanced and excluded. Why? Because within our society many exist as a very selfesh, superficial, self-centered segment. And if you are a victim of that selfishness, be prepared to have the stigma of a scarlett letter inscribed across your forehead as being "depressed" or "menatlly ill". A marvelous stigma to overcome, eh?
If as the so-called mental health expert explains are the warning signs of potential suicide victims, why aren't they suggesting a high-risk person's friends and/or family (if they have them) attemp to maintain frequent contacts, both physical and by phone inquiring on them? Invite them to engage in activities. Why are so many "services" listed for help when the best help is/are people who are connected personally with the high risk individual?
"George said the county is working to develop a continuum of programs and services to raise awareness about suicide prevention, but it will need the participation of the entire community to make an impact."
It's not programs that will solve this problem. It's people being nice to oneanother that will solve this problem. But society can't seem to comprehend that simple fact of life.
A very accurate posting. Wonderfully stated.

Jeffrey Lytle
McKinleyville - 5th District
humboldt trash

Crescent City, CA

#13 May 26, 2009
chemtrails and weed

“HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”

Since: Dec 07

McKinleyville

#14 May 26, 2009
HaroldA Maio wrote:
”There's a really strong sense of community here and at the same time there is a quite a bit of stigma and discrimination that is very apparent ...(a) stigma against the mentally ill,” she said.(Asha George, deputy director for the Mental Health Branch of the Department of Health and Human Services)
I am not sure I would want her representing me, for among the most basic of prejudices, upon which most acts of discrimination are based, is this "the," "the" mentally ill, "the" Jews, "the" Blacks. The caricature pretended is easily recognized in "the" Blacks. That you presented this example equanimously is significant.
One of the acts of discrimination, the pretense of a "stigma," is twice imposed above. Women who survived sexual assault here once broadly experienced the identical allegation, now a woman is re-directing it at me? We are a strange people.
The realities:
Mental illnesses affect people in every strata of society, from the most successful to the least. They affect women in about equal proportion to men, contradicting the portrayal, "the" mentally ill. We are as varied a group as any.
The great majority of us, our medical records private, and our successes public, experience no discrimination, pursue our careers as successfully as any.
Caricature is never entertaining in journalism.
Good posting too. The word "the" is very singular as it CAN imply segregation when used inappropriately in a conversation.

Jeffrey Lytle
McKinleyville - 5th District.
Twekr Joe

Alameda, CA

#15 May 26, 2009
Methsmoke and crack

“HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”

Since: Dec 07

McKinleyville

#16 May 26, 2009
Anonymous wrote:
"No one is sure..." Increased unemployment, complete breakdown of societal justice, universal concern for people rather than money, incompetent and cruel governmental "human services" department. This is not a mystery, folks -- the mystery is that the rates aren't higher.
The breakdown of societal justice appears to be the sub-root cause immediately after an over-populated planet. When more people are competing to survive with less and less natural resources available for a healthy, sustainable lifestyle, what makes any person think that social services is going to reverse any trends. There is only so much production that can occur; however, consumption seems endless. Also, when too many people are pooled together inside a border or boundary (like in the USA) that can't offer everyone an opportunity to succeed due to financial inequities created by the lack and/or restrictions of natural resources and lowered industrial production which segregates the citizenry into classes and types (humans are not monolithic in desires for lifestyles), then what does society expect is going to happen after discrimination, rhetoric, manipulation, regulation, expansion of government, etc... is being routinely practiced by enough government officials representing KEY positions.

Again, world over-population makes it such that certain social services effectiveness is called into question.

Jeffrey Lytle
McKinleyville - 5th District
Mark

Mckinleyville, CA

#17 May 26, 2009
Could it be possible that these people were on prescription Meds for depression? Check out this website... My prayers to all the grieving relatives.

http://www.ssristories.com/index.php
lol

Rohnert Park, CA

#18 May 26, 2009
Cheri Lyn Moore of Eureka showed a lot of the warning signs, and Phillip Crandall of County Mental Health made sure she got the treatment she needed.
unbiased

Eureka, CA

#19 May 26, 2009
while a lot of these postings raise some very good points I have to say that mental illness IS NOT only caused by society not accepting peoples differences/illnesses---

often times the illness causes the withdrawal---and no matter what you do---and even WHAT you do---can cause the ill individual to withdraw more---some mentally ill people will push you away even more the more you try to interact--- BEEN THERE !!! and it hurts ---- trying to help and not understanding why someone you love doesn't vwant anaything to do with you and hates you even more for trying to help!!!
Taxpayer

Arcata, CA

#20 May 26, 2009
Mike Mogan wrote:
"NOTE: Most people considering suicide do exhibit warning signals, but there is a smaller percentage who do not. If you, a loved one or friend is or appears to be considering suicide, don't delay in seeking assistance."
FOR HELP:
Humboldt County 24-hour crisis services line: PRAY TO GOD & ASK JESUS FOR HELP AND YOU WON'T BE PUT ON HOLD !!
Ah, yes. Much better to ask for help from your imaginary friend that get the counceling of a trained professional.
Frank Rizzo

Newark, CA

#21 May 26, 2009
The situation is only going to get worse. As the neo-progs exert more and more pressure to implement their plan of total (liberal) government control, especially in health care, hopelessness will grow to critical levels. Since socialized medicine is an absolute joke, those in need of critical mental health services or serious pain relief for serious illness, will have no other option than to take their own life. Of course there will be plenty of "medical ethicists" standing by to assist. The morally challenged liberal leaders will blame the self destructive feelings on being unwanted as children as a method to push their pro-abortion policies.

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