The Beatles: Extraordinary Plagiarists

The Beatles: Extraordinary Plagiarists

There are 30 comments on the Mi2n story from Aug 20, 2012, titled The Beatles: Extraordinary Plagiarists. In it, Mi2n reports that:

Website: http://www.todoentertainment.com The new book, The Beatles: Extraordinary Plagiarists by Edgar O. Cruz, details plagiarism as the source of the relentless creativity by Britain's greatest musical export.

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Greg

Athens, Greece

#1 Aug 20, 2012
In my opinion, they were influenced by other artists. They composed original music which had its inspiration from black music, Elvis, Chuck Berry etc, but, they managed to create a unique style, Beatles' style. To belittle them in that way, is very unfair. What if "Good Day Sunshine" was influenced by John Sebastian? Or "Something" by Ray Charles? Or "You've got to hide your love away" by Dylan? The talent of the Beatles awaits a more righteous measurement, not another book which its purpose is to shock fans and sell copies. That is, as I said, only my opinion, they are people who will disagree with it. We have Democracy after all. Or we don't have?

“LADYVERO R.N.”

Since: Feb 09

Chihuahua, Mexico

#2 Aug 20, 2012
Chuck Berry was influenced by Muddy Waters and Little Richard was influenced by Esquerita.
I think plagarism is a bit harsh, influenced fits better.
Great points Greg.
Edgar O Cruz

Manila, Philippines

#3 Sep 9, 2012
Blame Paul McCartney! In the 1982 talk for Playboy magazine, McCartney admitted in a streak of honesty about intellectual theft. Page 157 of The Beatles: Extraordinary Plagiarists states: "Oh, yeah. We were the biggest nickers in town. Plagiarists extraordinaires."

I invite you to read the book and you will read yourself in it.
Golda

Kellyville, Australia

#4 Sep 9, 2012
I think the purpose of the book is really to shock young readers who have no idea of the ways to become successful to earn lots of money. That is, you need to be more informed and observant and find ways to outdo other talented people with the necessary support of important people. Using the word "influenced" might not easily register to young people's minds on the importance of applying "best practice" by other groups of people for their own success in life.
Bottoms Tom

Houston, TX

#5 Sep 9, 2012
The book is pure sh!t, don't waste your mone.
The Beatles were originals.
OBLADI OBLADA

Caloocan City, Philippines

#6 Sep 9, 2012
TRUTH HURTS
Golda

Kellyville, Australia

#7 Sep 9, 2012
http://www.bluesforpeace.com/beatles-elvispre... - Elvis Presley
At first glance Elvis Presley was a plain ol' country boy, soft spoken and shy. Yet, Elvis had a special talent, he was a white man that could sing like a black performer. He rose to stardom in the early 1950's with songs like "That's All Right" and "Hound Dog". In fact, many of Elvis Presley's early hits were blues songs or based on the blues.

Yet within a few years, Elvis Presley was writing and singing pop music, appearing in movie musicals and recording Christmas albums. Did Elvis abandon the blues? Not really. Like many great blues musicians of that era including B.B. King, Elvis viewed himself as an entertainer. In his early movies, Elvis was portrayed as a rock n' roll singer trying to make it in show business. In later movies, Elvis played different roles as he moved away from the blues and rock n' roll that launched his career.
- The Beatles
In the late 1950's, early 1960's the Beatles were just another English skiffle band that played folk music, rock n roll and the blues. These bands took a simple approach to music and played on semi-professional and even home-made instruments. For example, Ringo Starr's drum rolls, Paul McCartney's Hofner Bass and John Lennon's harmonica and George Harrison's solos.

Like Elvis Presley, blues and rock n' roll helped launched the Beatles' and they recorded rock n' roll songs like "Roll Over Bethoven" by Chuck Berry and "Tutti Fruiti" by Little Richard. They also recorded "Matchbox", a classic blues song by Blind Lemon Jefferson.

In another Elvis Presley move, the Beatles began to make movies. Faced with writing songs to match the mood and plot of "A Hard Days Night" and "Help", John Lennon and Paul McCartney wrote songs in many new styles in the best tradition of Tin Pan Alley.

And then along came Mary... a few tabs of LSD and suddenly the movies were playing the Beatles' heads. The result was a kaleidoscope of pop, acid rock, country, swing - When I'm 64 - and classical style - Eleanor Rigby..- Rolling Stones
While Elvis Presley and the Beatles were influenced by the blues, the Rolling Stones were hell bent on "living the blues". Even their name - the "Rolling Stones" - was a tribute to Muddy Waters after his song by the same name.

The Stones later performed with Sonny Boy Williamson and Howlin' Wolf and recorded many blues classics such as "Love in Vain" and "Smokestack Lightning". Another milestone was the "London Sessions" recorded by Eric Clapton and Bill Wyman with their mentors Howling Wolf and Muddy Waters.

Meanwhile in the United States, the lack of exposure of blues music among white youth reflected the segregation of the times. Oddly enough, it was English musicians like the Rolling Stones, Eric Clapton, John Mayall and Jimi Hendrix (via England) that made white American youth aware of the blues.

Both Eric Clapton and Keith Richards said they felt it was their mission to make people aware of the blues. In the process, they brought joy to their fans and helped create awareness and respect for black culture in America. By Johnny Mayer.
TO GIVE CREDITS TO THE BLACK PERFORMERS AT THE RIGHT TIME WOULD HAVE BEEN A VERY GOOD ADVERTISEMENT! The English bands knew that's not the way how to acquire great fortune! Another example is tea leaves for drinking. And the spices from Indonesia and India and there are lots more by using spies, smugglers, intelligence agents, etc.
Edgar O Cruz

Manila, Philippines

#8 Sep 9, 2012
Where's your logic, guys? The Beatles admitted they were plagiarists and you still claim they are original. For sure, fanatacism did not end with Beatlemania!
Golda

Kellyville, Australia

#9 Sep 9, 2012
The rich 1% don't know how to share. It's in their nature. During the October 1929 stock market crash many of them committed suicide when they lost their fortune. But during the 2007 GFC, when governments bailed them out, they wanted to keep their billions and instead are demanding more tax cuts for their businesses! What a world!
Edgar O Cruz

Manila, Philippines

#10 Sep 9, 2012
Since Hamburg, Germany, the early Beatles were already pill poppers! Bob Dylan introduced the final Beatles to weed use and an American dentist to LSD. Yoko Ono hooked John Lennon to cocaine.
Golda

Kellyville, Australia

#11 Sep 9, 2012
http://blackgrooves.org/the-blues-roots-of-th... -
Title: The Blues Roots of the Rolling Stones
Artists: Various Artists
Label: Snapper Music
Catalog No.: SBLUECD047
Release date: March 10, 2008

“We got heavily into the blues – Chicago blues particularly because every major, modern blues artist was coming out of Chicago... we weren’t writing our own songs then. We were just playing mostly blues & rock ‘n roll-Chuck Berry, Jimmy Reed, Bo Diddley, Muddy Waters stuff.”– Keith Richards

“We used to watch Chuck Berry films over and over and over to see how he would play certain licks. Keith [Richards] and I would go to the cinema like 6 or 9 times just to see the Chuck Berry section... to see how he put his hands on the guitar, and how he played this part and this solo.”– Mick Jagger

The Blues Roots of the Rolling Stones is Michael Hendon’s valiant effort to bring together the most formative blues and rock influences on the members of this seminal rock band onto a single disk for Snapper Music’s Complete Blues series. Included among them are, of course, Muddy Waters, Howlin’ Wolf, Elmore James, John Lee Hooker, Chuck Berry, Jimmy Reed, and Bo Diddley, but also Buddy Holly, Slim Harpo, B.B. King, Blind Boy Fuller, Robert Johnson, Leroy Carr & Scrapper Blackwell, and Robert Wilkins.

Far from a smattering of well-known singles from these (mostly) heavily-compiled artists, Hendon’s liner notes make clear that the songs selected for this compilation were chosen carefully. Throughout, Hendon expends great effort to explicitly connect each song to the Stones and thus support the reason for its inclusion – usually either because the Stones frequently performed and/or recorded the song or because it is emblematic of the sound of a particular artist that was an important influence on the band.

Appropriately enough, the disk opens with Muddy Waters’“Rolling Stone” and closes with another of his classics –“I Want to be Loved”(a version of which appeared as the B side of the Stones’ first single). The songs of Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley formed over half of the Stones’ early set lists, and Chuck Berry’s “You Can’t Catch Me” was also featured on their third album (The Rolling Stones, Now!, 1965). Slim Harpo’s “I’m a King Bee” was featured on the Stones’ first album (England’s Newest Hit Makers, 1964) as was Jimmy Reed’s “Honest I Do.” In addition to this more urban-centered blues/rock spread, I especially like the attention paid on this compilation to the Delta/country blues influence on the Stones’ sound. One of the highlights in that regard is Robert Wilkins’ crackling 1928 recording “Rolling Stone – Part 1.”

Though Stones enthusiasts will undoubtedly notice omissions on The Blues Roots of the Rolling Stones, I think it is a perfect starting point for those who wish to trace the British blues explosion of the early 1960s back to the sounds that inspired it.

Posted by Anthony Guest-Scott
Golda

Kellyville, Australia

#12 Sep 9, 2012
http://www.rollingstonesnet.com/influenc.htm - Comment: Check out Jagger nicking Brown's dance moves on the TAMI show! The Brown title was released as a single in 1970, it reached #2 on the R&B charts.
Golda

Kellyville, Australia

#13 Sep 10, 2012
http://www.shmoop.com/say-it-loud/influences.... - Influences on James Brown
Connecting the dots of artistic inspiration: a musical family tree
James Brown was clearly influenced by classic blues, gospel, and African-American folk music. Brown knew he wanted to become an entertainer after watching performance footage of the popular jazz and R&B singer Louis Jordan. He was also certainly influenced by artists like Elvis Presley, Ray Charles, and Little Richard, though these musical contemporaries would have been just as influenced by James Brown as he was by them.

Influenced by James Brown
The real story with Brown is the way in which he revolutionized music, influencing just about every strain of pop music that would follow. He influenced musicians like Mick Jagger, David Bowie, Michael Jackson, Prince, and Public Enemy, among others. According to the man himself, "Disco is James Brown, hip-hop is James Brown, rap is James Brown; you know what I'm saying? You hear all the rappers, 90 percent of their music is me." While this may sound more than a bit egotistical, it's hard to say he's wrong. Brown not only directly helped create the genres of soul, funk, and modern R&B, he indirectly influenced an even wider range of artists, encouraging musicians to follow the rhythm and the groove rather than simply adhering to typical musical conventions and structure. Brown's music was sampled by innumerable hip-hop producers and DJs throughout the 1980s and 1990s, helping establish rap as a viable musical form. Even techno is indebted to James Brown. As a testament to his wide-ranging impact on modern pop music, Rolling Stone named Brown #7 on their list of the Most Influential Artists of All Time. And even the academics are getting into the act; recently Princeton University devoted an entire conference to the study of James Brown. Now that's a lecture we could definitely sit through. HOW ELSE COULD WE ENJOY LIVING?
Golda

Kellyville, Australia

#14 Sep 10, 2012
What's the best way for governments to create jobs? Answer- Governments should tax the machines/computers and robots!
Golda

Kellyville, Australia

#15 Sep 10, 2012
Quantitative easing or printing more money should be directed for the unemployed because the rich 1% are just hoarding their wealth and they can sleep in just one bed a night and spend so much for groceries, etc. whereas the 99% poor are not spending and shopping because they have nothing to spend. Money should circulate properly for peace and progress. The rich people should spend some of their wealth by sponsoring music/art schools for the poor!
Edgar O Cruz

Houston, TX

#16 Sep 10, 2012
Oh huff huff.
Golda

Blacktown, Australia

#17 Sep 10, 2012
Golda

Blacktown, Australia

#18 Sep 10, 2012
Sorry, I made a mistake. I hope young energetic Filipinos see this excellent video:

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“LADYVERO R.N.”

Since: Feb 09

Chihuahua, Mexico

#19 Sep 10, 2012
I remember James Brown beating his wife,being drunk in interviews and his arrest photo, but what really saddened me was him in the coffin.

He deserves credit for helping to stop the 1968 riots.

Love the Rolling Stones, they won't stop and never will.
Bubba

Renton, WA

#20 Sep 10, 2012
LadyVero wrote:
I remember James Brown beating his wife,being drunk in interviews and his arrest photo, but what really saddened me was him in the coffin.
He deserves credit for helping to stop the 1968 riots.
Love the Rolling Stones, they won't stop and never will.
Right on Lady Vero.

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