In America, atheists are still in the...

In America, atheists are still in the closet

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#43652 Nov 23, 2012
Mikko wrote:
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Not like USA and not on trains and buses
Call me when terrorists crash jets into buildings and kill 3,000 people.

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#43653 Nov 23, 2012
Nikki wrote:
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First of all, yes, Belgium is a monarchy. I believe I already mentioned that.
I mentioned that as well and I have mentioned that the UK is a monarchy ( a year ago...) and I guess I will have to wait for you to respond when Packy (et al.) insist that it (Ik & Sweden) is a democracy.

I see you haven't said anything to M. when he insists I am wrong re: Sweden is a monarchy.

Is Sweden a monarchy?

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#43654 Nov 23, 2012
Nikki wrote:
< majority of the population. I said it was a law that was backed by the majority of the population. There is a difference.
That is also wrong: I am certain that there have been plenty of laws passed in Belgium that were not"backed" by the majority of the population.

Certainly: there are plenty of laws here the majority didn't approve of.

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#43655 Nov 23, 2012
Nikki wrote:
And the only power our king has is to do as he's told.
I rather doubt that but it is enough to say that Belgium is a monarchy no matter how feeble the king is.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#43656 Nov 23, 2012
straa wrote:
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"If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear" from your mouth to gods ears, Stalin would be proud, spoken like a true tyrant
You're crazy , nothing about our country is like Stalin.
The fact the NSA eavesdrops on communications is an unfortunate consequence of a corrupt world full of bad men who make plans to destroy another mans dreams. It was a Orwellian prediction and is of no real surprise. The surprise is when you realize , it is no different for you.

http://www.lignet.com/InBriefs/UK-Sweeping-La...

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#43657 Nov 23, 2012
Nikki wrote:
Now, if we're talking about how democratic Belgium
I wasn't.

I was saying Belgium was a monarchy.

I was saying UK was a monarchy.

I was saying Sweden was a monarchy.

What is my score?

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#43658 Nov 23, 2012
Nikki wrote:
That said, the American system is far from perfect and I wouldn't want my country to model itself after the USA.
I didn't say it was.

Do you want to check my comments and see if I say it was?

PS: My uncle fought at the Battle of the Bulge. Maybe you want to make a list of how the USA is less than perfect and I'll put it on his grave next time I visit his grave? I can read it out loud so the fellows buried next to him can hear it, I am sure they will want to listen.
Nikki

Brecht, Belgium

#43659 Nov 23, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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I mentioned that as well and I have mentioned that the UK is a monarchy ( a year ago...) and I guess I will have to wait for you to respond when Packy (et al.) insist that it (Ik & Sweden) is a democracy.
I see you haven't said anything to M. when he insists I am wrong re: Sweden is a monarchy.
Is Sweden a monarchy?
Yes, Sweden is a monarchy, so is the UK. But European monarchies are democracies. Why are you unable to grasp this simple fact?

Our kings and queens are figureheads and have no real power.
Nikki

Brecht, Belgium

#43660 Nov 23, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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That is also wrong: I am certain that there have been plenty of laws passed in Belgium that were not"backed" by the majority of the population.
Certainly: there are plenty of laws here the majority didn't approve of.
probably, I'd have to look up concrete examples since I don't have any right now, but I wasn't talking about those laws. I was talking about one particular case in which the law had the support of the majority of the population.

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#43661 Nov 23, 2012
Nikki wrote:
I just wanted to point out that European monarchies are in fact democracies.
In fact, they are not.

Maybe you did not get that far in your English language lessons and need to refer to your dictionary.

It may be that some are *more democratic* than others but by definition, a monarchy is NOT a democracy.
Nikki

Brecht, Belgium

#43662 Nov 23, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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I rather doubt that but it is enough to say that Belgium is a monarchy no matter how feeble the king is.
Nonetheless it's true.

Look, I have no reason to lie to you. As strange as it often seems to people Belgians have no national pride, none. We don't need to ake our country look better since b*tching about it is a favourite hobby of ours. If our king had some kind of actual power I would tell you and if that had any actual impact on my life I'd be the first to complain about it, loudly and often.

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#43663 Nov 23, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You're crazy , nothing about our country is like Stalin.
Packy isn't interested in facts and mostly trolling. Packy isn't even British, f'r christsake.

Diminishing returns...

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#43664 Nov 23, 2012
Nikki wrote:
I was talking about one particular case in which the law had the support of the majority of the population.
Which means?

Do you think a monarch is unable in passing ('creating') laws that are supported by the majority of the population?
Nikki

Brecht, Belgium

#43665 Nov 23, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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I wasn't.
I was saying Belgium was a monarchy.
I was saying UK was a monarchy.
I was saying Sweden was a monarchy.
What is my score?
Three for three; three constitutional monarchies with a powerless king or queen.

This is getting repetitive.

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#43666 Nov 23, 2012
Nikki wrote:
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Yes, Sweden is a monarchy, so is the UK.
Great: I look forward to you correcting others.
Nikki

Brecht, Belgium

#43667 Nov 23, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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I didn't say it was.
Do you want to check my comments and see if I say it was?
PS: My uncle fought at the Battle of the Bulge. Maybe you want to make a list of how the USA is less than perfect and I'll put it on his grave next time I visit his grave? I can read it out loud so the fellows buried next to him can hear it, I am sure they will want to listen.
Two of my great uncles were executed by the Germans because they smuggled downed ally pilots out of Belgium and back to Britain through the comet line.

Should I go stand next to their graves and tell them how the nephew of a man they fought besides uses the WWII as an excuse not to have to own up to the things that are less than perfect in his country?

The men who fought and died in Europe while fighting the nazi's were heroes. You using their sacrifice this way is despicable.

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#43668 Nov 23, 2012
Nikki wrote:
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Three for three; three constitutional monarchies with a powerless king or queen.
This is getting repetitive.
Is it?

Tell me: if a monarch can dismiss the elected government, is the monarch powerless?
Nikki

Brecht, Belgium

#43669 Nov 23, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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In fact, they are not.
Maybe you did not get that far in your English language lessons and need to refer to your dictionary.
It may be that some are *more democratic* than others but by definition, a monarchy is NOT a democracy.
"Today, the majority of democratic countries in the world are republics, i.e. officials are elected. Some well-established democratic countries in Europe, however,(the United Kingdom, Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxemburg and the Scandinavian countries) are constitutional monarchies, i.e. a king or queen is head of state while the constitution guarantees nevertheless all basic rights as in any democratic republic and sets clear limits to duties and competences of the monarch. Such a king can be regarded as a stabilizing factor rather than as a danger for a democracy. Therefore the classical definition of democracy is little helpful - at least concerning monarchy."

http://www.democracy-building.info/definition...
Nikki

Brecht, Belgium

#43670 Nov 23, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Is it?
Tell me: if a monarch can dismiss the elected government, is the monarch powerless?
That's the point, they can't, that's where the constitution part of constitutional monarchy comes in.

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#43671 Nov 23, 2012
Nikki wrote:
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Nonetheless it's true.
Look, I have no reason to lie to you.
Did I say you lied?

Let us supposed I said the UK, Sweden, and Belgium were monarchies and let's suppose I was right: how long do you think the 'conversation' would have lasted?

Oh.. right... I am right.

There would be less repetition if others would stop insisting the UK & Sweden were not monarchies.

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