The battle to keep ancient Egypt Black

The battle to keep ancient Egypt Black

There are 4066 comments on the www.finalcall.com story from Apr 9, 2008, titled The battle to keep ancient Egypt Black. In it, www.finalcall.com reports that:

National Geographic magazine insulted the historical and cultural legacy of Blacks during Black History Month by distorting history and blatantly insinuating that ancient Egyptians were anything but Black. Watch: Randall Robinson - European History is Black History Stolen http://youtube.com/watch?v=XLl8xd7QsIs

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Blackinjun

Sneads Ferry, NC

#1554 Apr 17, 2008
Elias wrote:
I imagine this rather pointless discussion will go on till the cows come home.
Lets apply occams razor to what we know
Fact 1 - All human beings are descended from a group of 1000 africans around 90,000 years ago.
So the bottom line is we are all originally Africans.
Fact 2.- Physically distinct "racial types" have evolved only over the last 50,000 years
Fact 3. Caucasians evolved in a harsh cold environment during the ice age by 5,000 BC developed relatively high intellegence to cope with limited resources, competition being fierce - they focussed on weapons and tools to survive.
Fact 4. Peoples living in equatorial regions lived in zones rich in food and did not need to compete or use excessive violence as what they needed grew everywhere.
Fact 5. Militarised caucasians built great cities and grew crops in order to gain resources for protection and launch attacks on their neighbours.
Fact 6. Some of these warlike caucasians wandered back into Africa and built great monuments 5000 yrs ago (pyramids) and enslaved the original african population (Nubians)
So in conclusion warfare and aggression helped select for white men with the brains who could also use slavesto build their great cities.
Egypt is thus a combined effort - white mans brains and black mans brawn. Much like modern America is today. History has a habit of repeating itself!
lol do u think hollyweird will buy the script?
Stormfrontline

Sydney, Australia

#1555 Apr 17, 2008
truth bringer wrote:
Stormfrontline
i see we have a newbie because he does know anything.
how do you know they were not black sir
Alot of preserved Egyptian bodies (from the oldest periods of Egypt's time) have red hair. How many black people have red hair? none. Red hair is unique to the caucasian race.
truth bringer

Pompano Beach, FL

#1556 Apr 17, 2008
Elias

thats the dumbest sh%t ever

that shit is so untrue it makes no sense

“Educated black woman”

Since: Apr 08

Aswan

#1557 Apr 17, 2008
All of us aboard this thread has given their opinion of this topic rather it be pro or con. Some of us have rather interestingly presented their arguments in such a way that shows a unique level of scholastics.

However, i realized when i was in school, that every teacher/professor that i had, always took us to Greece to teach us about the beginings of world civilization. I always wondered why not Egypt, if we are to discuss the beginings of civilization? But then it hit me. Obviously becuase Egypt is a African nation. To suggest that world civilization began in Egypt would support civilization starting in Africa.

What is funny is that being how teachers and scholars know that the Egyptians were African, they had to tell us that civilization began elsewhere. If the Greeks were black, then they would tell us that civilization began with the Romans. And if the Romans were black, then they would of told us that civilization began with the English. And if the English were black they would tell us that civilization began in America. This type of lunatic academia has no bounds. The sad thing about racism is not so much the damage it does to the current humans that it is thrusted upon, but does an even equal if not greator violence to history.

“Evolve”

Since: Dec 07

GJ, CO

#1558 Apr 17, 2008
John wrote:
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AND THE KKK DOES NOT SANCTION KILLING INOCCENT PEOPLE? JUST LIKE THE OTHER RELIGIONS THEY MURDER IN WHAT THEY CALL; the name of GOD!!!!!!!!!! Their all full of it.
The horrors done in the name of (fill in whatever sky-daddy) will never be over come by whatever else might be claimed to be "good". Watching the Pope circus out of the corner of my eye and must turn it off before I puke on my keyboard.

“Evolve”

Since: Dec 07

GJ, CO

#1559 Apr 17, 2008
Drabbo wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree totally. True Wise does more talking about the problem than offering solutions.This imbalance potentially serves to cemet victimhood on one end and reinforce racist behaviour on the other. Otherwise his analysis is inciteful.
Thanks. It is frustrating beyond belief to hear the privileged boo-hoo. And they do.

“Evolve”

Since: Dec 07

GJ, CO

#1560 Apr 17, 2008
Well Educated Black Man wrote:
<quoted text>
WOW. What a thoughtful, well-written message! I guess I could be considered one of those "old guard black activists". Im not anti-white at all, just pro-equality. But the current generation of blacks have embraced the WORST of black society...the gangsta ghetto thug mentality. Rap music has been a scourge, manipulating young people to emulate criminals and have no regard for class or refinement.
I feel for the decent white people who supported black equality and who marched alongside us in support of ending racism. I think that the MAJORITY of white people are good people. I think that the minority of evil white people are the ones controlling the machine, and that the average white person is as shut out of the system as we are.
Excellent post.
You honor me, Sir. However, the white underclass had/has far less to overcome historically than the black underclass; and hearing those people snivvel and blame affirmative action (which would have bogus anyway since so few AA live in our part of the PNW) for their woes was irritating beyond belief.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#1561 Apr 17, 2008
blackbolt wrote:
<quoted text>....
....the thing is..that your posts garrig are not only those of a fatuous stupid negraziod azzhole..you are a DANGEROUS one. Ohhh.you're not entirely ignorant,as a matter of fact some of the specific issues you have raised here on this thread were unarguably enlightening.Yet that is precisely why a boy-like you- with enough melanin in him to pass for black is such a potential threat to the overall protective fabric of black psychological cohesion and mental acuity needed to perceive the threat of our enemy and confound his attacks.ALL ppl of color are under racist siege throughout the lands where the diaspora are to be found..only a mindless ngrtoyboy-like you- would fail to see this and recklessly encourage a carefree attitude of non vigilant behaviour on the part of blks ...a course of action that could get someone stupid enough to listen to you..killed.
(see reference links)A naive black person who mistakes your superficial knowledge oif some aspects of blk history could be lead astray,in
Moscow..or Paris..or London..and no doubt YOUR gutless simple mind azz wouldn't be there to help them out of a being stomped or knifed to death by euro racists. You a faculty member down there in Virginia?..grad student??? What a joke and a farce
God forbid you're being passed off as some type of legitimate 'black' authority to unsuspecting students..
But..knowing how arrogant and foolish boys like you are..and you down there in 'macaca land' and all.. jus' a matter of time before you open that trap of yours like your former senator...jus' a matter of time...:O)
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/05/...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_modern...
"Epassak Rolan Franz, a 29-year-old from Congo, died on Wednesday in hospital after failing to recover from injuries he received when he was attacked on Friday."
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/IOR61...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4969296.stm
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/710
http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/article.as...
Damn, you certainly jumped of the deep end. Either I'm naive or you're a paranoid nut case. All this talk of the enemy and confounding his attacks...? To me anyone who preaches hatred and dissension is the enemy. I don't deny that racsim exists but it certainly isn't as insiduous as you make it out to be. Dude if you really think you are likely to get stabbed in London or Paris just because your Black then you're a damn fool. I guess you don't travel much huh? You're more likely to get mugged for looking like you have money than anything else.

Last time I checked there were laws in place, instituions even, whos function is to protect against discrimnation and prejudice. There is the national guard and police etc. that can be called on to keep those nasty rabid racist loonies off the street. I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's probably safe enough for you to come out of your house..Lol.

And am I hearing you right, that you don't appove of Obama? Oh I get it.. he's just the white man's puppet, Right. And every Black that is sucessful must be some kind of traitor in cahoots with whitey, because how else could ever make it so far in this racist world?What a hellish world you must live in.

You know I would right you off as a joke, but I think your case is not so innoucuous. You are obviously very seriously deranged and need professional help. And I really mean that.

“Evolve”

Since: Dec 07

GJ, CO

#1562 Apr 17, 2008
blackbolt wrote:
<quoted text>...
Actually as a white woman you are the PRIME beneficiary of one of the biggest institutionally racist scams going: Affirmative Action:
"Because although “affirmative action programs are often described in the press as being based on ‘racial preference,’” says Dr. Manning Marable, Director of the Institute for Research in African-American Studies, Columbia University, New York City,“the overwhelming majority of those who are the chief beneficiaries of affirmative action are white women.” Dr. Marable is hardly the only person aware of this"
http://battlinbog.blog-city.com/why_affirmati...
Your post is garbage..thanx...
If I had ever held a paid position I suppose I could consider myself a beneficiary of Affirmative Action. Got my start working with the impoverished in the rural white ghetto near where we live. The school/Health Dpt. had failed to control a head-lice epidemic in the elementary school my kids went to. Almost 25% of kids had BUGZ!!!(my head starting to itch now) The lawyer for the district said he was going to start allowing kids with nits come to school, because so many were missing school he was afraid of lawsuits. I said angry moms dressed as giant lice would picket his office accompanied by a full press corps...to make it short, we got a grant for materials/equipment but no pay and we got to work after I and another lady did some research...NO BUGS!...Except for a core group of "chronics". Finally figured out that no one was bothering to treat or care for those children. So; I deloused kids. It takes a long time, many sessions and kids talk. What they told me would make your blood run cold and started my work as an activist against child sexual abuse, child pornography, domestic violence and the meth epidemic that decimated the rural white ghetto in our tiny corner of the PNW.
Over years of participation in investigations, court cases, as an advocate, lobbyist, agitator, legislation writer, interviewer, ALL as a volunteer... Why have I bothered to post this to you? To explain that I know a great deal about what I wrote. I've heard far worse than you popped off at me, but I don't think that you have the background or the knowledge to judge my post as "garbage".

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#1563 Apr 17, 2008
El Lepero wrote:
<quoted text>
Now I can understand your frustrations. You are a Wigger and do not know which race you belong to. The French, my Boy, have made a 180 degree turn and now frown on foreignors or do you not read the news. Germany, Italy and Spain are racist due to the number of Black US Military personnel having been assigned to their respective countries. The only good thing was and is that Blacks marry prostitutes and clean out the respective countries of undesirable people. However, once in the US the Blacks dump their White Spouse since they are never accepted by the Black Community. I imagine that this is what happened in Ancient Egypt.
So did one of those Black GIs run off with your mother then? Is that why you are so bitter?

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#1564 Apr 17, 2008
Drabbo wrote:
<quoted text>
And Dude!! I'm saying you are wrong!! I am saying Haplotype V, XI, and IV are all supra/sub-Saharan horn of Africa haplotypes -they are not 'asiatic'. They have a larger incidence in africa than they do elswhere.i.e they were indegenous to africa and whose presence in neolithic egypt cannot be attributed to an 'asiatic' migration.In this case the 'out africa theory' supports the movement of haplotype V from africa to elsewhere.I made no comment on haplotype U. Please read the link in full.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Ni...
Your own link says "Haplotype V is common in Berbers and Ethiopian Falashas (black Jews) has a low frequency outside Africa". And I don't know about XI and IV but V has always been restricted to North Africas.

Since: Nov 07

San Diego, CA

#1565 Apr 17, 2008
Stormfrontline wrote:
<quoted text>
The black people havent always had Egyptian style names, they only started using them after they came into contact with Egypt.
The Egyptians were not black. Im dont think they were europeans, but I know they were not black.
Akan people have used their names for centuries .what the bloody hell are you talking about????

Since: Nov 07

San Diego, CA

#1566 Apr 17, 2008
Garrig wrote:
<quoted text>
Your own link says "Haplotype V is common in Berbers and Ethiopian Falashas (black Jews) has a low frequency outside Africa". And I don't know about XI and IV but V has always been restricted to North Africas.
catch phrase :'low frequency outside africa' kapish!!

Since: Nov 07

San Diego, CA

#1567 Apr 17, 2008
Elias wrote:
I imagine this rather pointless discussion will go on till the cows come home.
Lets apply occams razor to what we know
Fact 1 - All human beings are descended from a group of 1000 africans around 90,000 years ago.
So the bottom line is we are all originally Africans.
Fact 2.- Physically distinct "racial types" have evolved only over the last 50,000 years
Fact 3. Caucasians evolved in a harsh cold environment during the ice age by 5,000 BC developed relatively high intellegence to cope with limited resources, competition being fierce - they focussed on weapons and tools to survive.
Fact 4. Peoples living in equatorial regions lived in zones rich in food and did not need to compete or use excessive violence as what they needed grew everywhere.
Fact 5. Militarised caucasians built great cities and grew crops in order to gain resources for protection and launch attacks on their neighbours.
Fact 6. Some of these warlike caucasians wandered back into Africa and built great monuments 5000 yrs ago (pyramids) and enslaved the original african population (Nubians)
So in conclusion warfare and aggression helped select for white men with the brains who could also use slavesto build their great cities.
Egypt is thus a combined effort - white mans brains and black mans brawn. Much like modern America is today. History has a habit of repeating itself!
You may as well pull facts from a latrine in alice springs. LOL!!! This probably the worst scholastic analysis of human development ever!!! Please make use of the 'prev' link and read previous postings....before you embarrass yourself any further .

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#1569 Apr 17, 2008
Drabbo wrote:
<quoted text>
catch phrase :'low frequency outside africa' kapish!!
The thing I'm trying to emphasize is that it is common among Berbers. It does extend northward into Europe as far as Finland. All I'm saying is that there were people in Northern Egypt phenotypicaly different from the Badarians and related to Berbers and people in the Middle East. Are you saying that northern Egypt was magically sealed off from the rest of the world? Here is the bottom line as far as what egyptologist say;

"In summary, ancient Egypt is thought by many scholars to have been a melting pot of various Nile Valley, North African, Saharan and Levantine peoples since earliest times.[9]'

Some genetic studies done on Egyptians suggest that most do not have close relations to most tropical Africans,[36] and other studies show that they are mostly related to other North Africans,[37] and to a lesser extent southern European/Mediterranean and Middle Eastern populations.[5] A 2004 mtDNA study of upper Egyptians from Gurna found a genetic ancestral heritage to modern East Africans, characterized by a high M1 haplotype frequency, and another study links Egyptians in general with people from modern Eritrea and Ethiopia.[3][38]Though there has been much debate of the origins of haplogroup M1 a recent 2007 study had concluded that M1 has West Asia origins not a Sub Saharan African origin[39]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_character...

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#1570 Apr 17, 2008
Queen Nyabinghi wrote:
All of us aboard this thread has given their opinion of this topic rather it be pro or con. Some of us have rather interestingly presented their arguments in such a way that shows a unique level of scholastics.
However, i realized when i was in school, that every teacher/professor that i had, always took us to Greece to teach us about the beginings of world civilization. I always wondered why not Egypt, if we are to discuss the beginings of civilization? But then it hit me. Obviously becuase Egypt is a African nation.
That's messed up if they taught that civilization began with the Greeks. I was lucky in that, when I was growing we did learn about Egypt, Sumer and Mesopotamia. Though I did notice that we they Spoke of Greece they seemed so proud as they felt it was there own accomplishment. I often like to point out however that the greeks are swarthy mediterrean people who got a lot of their ideas form Egypt and the middle east. They were not northern Europeans. And some guy of Swedish descent trying to claim them is laughable. I bet they never told you that the alphabet that we now use, originally came from the Egyptians. A form of cursive developed by Egyptians who lived in the Sinai called Proto-Sinaitic which was letter picked on by the Phoenicians who passed it on to the Greeks and so on. http://www.geocities.com/ctesibos/alphabet/gp...

“Educated black woman”

Since: Apr 08

Aswan

#1571 Apr 17, 2008
Garrig wrote:
<quoted text>
That's messed up if they taught that civilization began with the Greeks. I was lucky in that, when I was growing we did learn about Egypt, Sumer and Mesopotamia. Though I did notice that we they Spoke of Greece they seemed so proud as they felt it was there own accomplishment. I often like to point out however that the greeks are swarthy mediterrean people who got a lot of their ideas form Egypt and the middle east. They were not northern Europeans. And some guy of Swedish descent trying to claim them is laughable. I bet they never told you that the alphabet that we now use, originally came from the Egyptians. A form of cursive developed by Egyptians who lived in the Sinai called Proto-Sinaitic which was letter picked on by the Phoenicians who passed it on to the Greeks and so on. http://www.geocities.com/ctesibos/alphabet/gp...
No i never heard that the current alphabet in English came from Egypt. I was taught that the current Alphabet used by Americans came via Greece. I was also told that Democracy started in Greece, as was considered a major threat to Babylonian protocol(if i spelled it right). Even when i was atending the university, if you took up philosophy, they always started with the Greeks to the present. Medicine when speaking of ancient contributions always start at Greece. Although we know to the contrary that the Greeks gained much in medicine from the Egyptians. You never hear of Egypt's contributions outside of Pan African studies, or African history, or world history. In psychology you always hear of the Greek contributions and not the contributions of Egypt. You mostly here about the role Egypt played by African scholars mostly who are the heads of their departments on campus.

The University of Penn does an excellent job of educating students about African history, and has won many awards from the black community. But even at my school, you can only learn these things via a course in African studies. Where as the Greeks, always come up in everything from courses in medicine to psychology.

“Educated black woman”

Since: Apr 08

Aswan

#1572 Apr 17, 2008

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#1573 Apr 17, 2008
Yeah its always the same limited rehashed stuff that they teach you which emphasizes Greek acheivement as being the most unique and relevant not that it doesn't have it's merits. The univeristy of Maryland does offer some good courses about African History of which I took a few. But I learn a lot on my own as well not just about African cultures but Indian and Asian cultures as well. There is just so much to learn out there..you'll never be able get it all just from college.
Amir

Malvern, PA

#1574 Apr 17, 2008
Queen Nyabinghi wrote:
<quoted text>No i never heard that the current alphabet in English came from Egypt. I was taught that the current Alphabet used by Americans came via Greece. I was also told that Democracy started in Greece, as was considered a major threat to Babylonian protocol(if i spelled it right).
The colleges are white owned therefore the materials taught is white motivated.

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