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St. Charles Teacher in Hot Water for Using Rap Lyrics in Class

There are 64 comments on the Fox2Now story from Sep 3, 2009, titled St. Charles Teacher in Hot Water for Using Rap Lyrics in Class. In it, Fox2Now reports that:

A St. Charles high school teacher learns a tough lesson about how not to teach a ''tough lesson''. That lesson was about controversial speech, but apparently using controversial language to teach it can get you in a lot of trouble.

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Lets just burn books too

Saint Charles, MO

#1 Sep 3, 2009
Students read stories about rape, murder, and suicide in school. These books are in the curriculum because they teach a lesson. Ninety percent of these novels also have cussing (To Kill a Mockingbird, The Color Purple, Of Mice and Men?!) One could argue we force kids to address these issues and expose them to foul language. English studies literature and the best, most educational sources are rarely "G" rated. Life is not "G" rated. This was a college-level English class designed to teach kids to think about things they haven't thought about before. The superintendent needs to support his teacher. Otherwise, he should change the curriculum so that there is no cussing or unsavory topics.
Justin L

Saint Louis, MO

#2 Sep 3, 2009
Wow the superintendent is so detatched from what real high school life is like this is a joke. Don't waste out time on a trivial matter such as this especially in a college level course. Go worry about drugs, gangs, and sexual abuse and assult the real problems that happen in high school. I've had her as a teacher she's a realist and a true educator who cares about the student not jsut about getting her paycheck. From kindergarten to high school its all about preparing for the next step right, or thats the line i've been fed my whole life. Well, as i believe, the "f" bomb isnt a taboo word to a college professor nor to any high school student i know. Get real and fox2 news try covering something worthwhile. The students interviewed for your story i know personally ...two of them have never even had her as a teacher... way to go ...
Justin L

Saint Louis, MO

#3 Sep 3, 2009
One more edit...she's been suspended ... who will teach her classes now....again our superintendent cares little about the student and more about keeping his position of power
Liz F

Fenton, MO

#4 Sep 3, 2009
The Superintendent was incorrect in stating that, in his interview, it was not a "college class." It is College Composition, the equivalent for English 101. Because our teacher is certified through SLU and we are getting COLLEGE credit for this class, it's like a mini-portal to SLU when we walk in the classroom. If students aren't mature enough to handle college material, then they shouldn't take the class.
In college, students won't whine to their parents about it, and the school isn't going to care if they do.
Terri W

Saint Louis, MO

#5 Sep 3, 2009
As a St. Charles West graduate, I can say that the school has always made a habit of keeping things conservative. I have a hard time seeing any intellectual value in anything by N.W.A. and don't really understand why it would need to be incorporated into a high school English curriculum, ever. It was a bad judgement call on the side of the teacher, who must have known beforehand that the atmosphere at West is more like a suburban country club than a liberal arts university. It is clear that the more straight laced kids would go home and whine to their parents about what they saw in class, which is exactly what happened.
Ford P

Mount Vernon, IL

#6 Sep 3, 2009
lolwut?
A week suspension!?
She should be suspended for at least over 9000 weeks.
Or fired.
She is hurtin' the ears of these children with these horrible swear words.
Maybe St. Charles West should implement a swear jar! That could help cut down on these horrible words AND fund prom!
Seriously

Saint Louis, MO

#7 Sep 3, 2009
Terri W wrote:
As a St. Charles West graduate, I can say that the school has always made a habit of keeping things conservative. I have a hard time seeing any intellectual value in anything by N.W.A. and don't really understand why it would need to be incorporated into a high school English curriculum, ever. It was a bad judgement call on the side of the teacher, who must have known beforehand that the atmosphere at West is more like a suburban country club than a liberal arts university. It is clear that the more straight laced kids would go home and whine to their parents about what they saw in class, which is exactly what happened.
These "straight laced kids" arent straight laced the high school atmosphere is entirely saturated in foul language. and if you have a hard time seeing the intellectual value of her message to the class i.e. controvesial speech then it makes your entire opinion moot. even with her suspended her message got out and she has overwhelming support behind her...did you know the last girl interviewed by fox2 doesnt even go to St. charles west...youd be hard put to find any student in favor of the districts decision
Ford P

Mount Vernon, IL

#8 Sep 3, 2009
Liz F wrote:
The Superintendent was incorrect in stating that, in his interview, it was not a "college class." It is College Composition, the equivalent for English 101. Because our teacher is certified through SLU and we are getting COLLEGE credit for this class, it's like a mini-portal to SLU when we walk in the classroom. If students aren't mature enough to handle college material, then they shouldn't take the class.
In college, students won't whine to their parents about it, and the school isn't going to care if they do.
Maybe you should stop being so liberal.
It is a college class. But it is still High School. In a high school. It is NOT SLU. It is SCW. That is what it is in the school district's eyes. So no matter how much you babble on about it on this " topix.net " thing. You are still wrong. School District over powers you and your typing (from Starbucks I presume... Sipping on your coffee...)
Fox 2 Rocks

United States

#9 Sep 3, 2009
Wow, i forgot sophomores took college comp, so interviewing them to get the facts was a great call, good job FOX 2! Give yourselves a pat on the back. That's quality right there!
NDS

Richardson, TX

#10 Sep 3, 2009
Its not like they don't hear that word everyday in the school hallways.. not really a big deal. Their seniors..i think they can handle it. Their going to be in college next year and they will hear worse. They probably listen to worse music anyways.
negativity

Saint Louis, MO

#11 Sep 3, 2009
Ford P wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe you should stop being so liberal.
It is a college class. But it is still High School. In a high school. It is NOT SLU. It is SCW. That is what it is in the school district's eyes. So no matter how much you babble on about it on this " topix.net " thing. You are still wrong. School District over powers you and your typing (from Starbucks I presume... Sipping on your coffee...)
wow...your an ass...whens the last time you stepped into a highschool ehh?
Terri W

De Soto, KS

#12 Sep 3, 2009
"These "straight laced kids" arent straight laced the high school atmosphere is entirely saturated in foul language. and if you have a hard time seeing the intellectual value of her message to the class i.e. controvesial speech then it makes your entire opinion moot."

Of course it is saturated in foul language, but it usually isn't promoted by the teacher! And there are a lot better ways playing N.W.A's "F&*k the police".

Obviously, the teacher didn't go to the superintendant and voulenteer that she played washed up gangsta rap in her classroom just to talk about something controversial. One of the kids who uses the f-word in the hallways on the way to her class either told their parents or other staff about it.
Gina Lovelady

Saint Louis, MO

#13 Sep 3, 2009
My son is enrolled in this COLLEGE, may I stress, COLLEGE course at SCW. This teacher sent home a letter stating that this is a SLU College Comp course and that it may have some suggestive or offensive material. She also stated that these were not the views of SCW. I have the letter and would gladly fax it to you.

She is an awesome teacher and I know for a fact her students miss her. Now these kids have substitutes - and who knows if they are capable or qualified to teach a college course - adding to all the confusion!

And shame on the Administration for not letting us parents know what is going on. We have to settle for second hand news. I guess that's alright, though. We only PAY for our kids to take this course. And I mean, it's only our children's education!
Seriously

Saint Louis, MO

#14 Sep 3, 2009
Terri W wrote:
"These "straight laced kids" arent straight laced the high school atmosphere is entirely saturated in foul language. and if you have a hard time seeing the intellectual value of her message to the class i.e. controvesial speech then it makes your entire opinion moot."
Of course it is saturated in foul language, but it usually isn't promoted by the teacher! And there are a lot better ways playing N.W.A's "F&*k the police".
Obviously, the teacher didn't go to the superintendant and voulenteer that she played washed up gangsta rap in her classroom just to talk about something controversial. One of the kids who uses the f-word in the hallways on the way to her class either told their parents or other staff about it.
who said she promoted it get your facts straight
scwest2010

Mountain City, TN

#15 Sep 3, 2009
I really do feel as a student of class 2010 at SCW that this is ridiculous. To the students who complained about it grow up we're here not even a year before we go to college anyway.
Mrs. V was teaching her class. her COLLEGE credit class to SENIORS. She should be allowed to teach within her own class room without being suspended, as long as she states both sides of the story and not just stating opinion. I was almost sure school was supposed broaden our education, but how are we expected to grow we shove out anything different. The S.A needs to seriously see from our eyes, how many more people are outraged by the fact it has gone this far than what was actually disgust in her class.
If the District is so against this why let us take the class in the first place. If I knew my class that is considered to be a college level was going to be watered down I would have just waited another year. And to fox news you guys are retarded, great reporting.. sophomores really?
Terri W

De Soto, KS

#16 Sep 3, 2009
If you allow that type of trash in your couse you are either actively promoting it or standing by and letting it happen. The teacher is the ADULT and is responsible for the content of the course, and the highschoolers are KIDS whether their parents pay a couple hundred bucks for a SLU transfer fee or not. This content was allowed as a tool to promote conversation on "controversial speech".
cm von SCW

Saint Charles, MO

#17 Sep 3, 2009
Ford P wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe you should stop being so liberal.
It is a college class. But it is still High School. In a high school. It is NOT SLU. It is SCW. That is what it is in the school district's eyes. So no matter how much you babble on about it on this " topix.net " thing. You are still wrong. School District over powers you and your typing (from Starbucks I presume... Sipping on your coffee...)
Wow, you must be so wise and old and experienced. Your words cut like fire and your logic is irrefutable. Let us all bow before your presence and just maybe we will learn something about life and the correct way to live.

Quite frankly, you are the very essence of what is wrong with America and its educational system. Perhaps you should stop being an closed-minded, anti-education bigot. I have news for you, despite what you may think, you are not better than everyone else. Please take your anti-educational views elsewhere, perhaps to a country like Iran. I'm sure they would better appreciate your wisdom there.
scwest2010

Mountain City, TN

#18 Sep 3, 2009
Terri W wrote:
If you allow that type of trash in your couse you are either actively promoting it or standing by and letting it happen. The teacher is the ADULT and is responsible for the content of the course, and the highschoolers are KIDS whether their parents pay a couple hundred bucks for a SLU transfer fee or not. This content was allowed as a tool to promote conversation on "controversial speech".
THE TEACHER shouldn't be suspended for using a tool in her class then. should she? If she is covering "controversial speech". This all sure has brought up a lot of controversy. ans YES the parents did PAY for this class and were told about the content of the class may be different. So if their PAYING for the COLLEGE CLASS let them get the full experience. Why is that so hard?
And like you said its "controversial speech" part of a lesson she was teaching, so it wasn't trash, If I was 40 and taking this class I would say the same thing. NOT trash
SHA8484

United States

#19 Sep 3, 2009
I think parents today are to closed minded. These were not elementary school students these were high school students. I'm sure the students have heard worse on TV, radio, and even at home. The parents of these high school students need to lighten up, the world is an ungly place. If you raise your children right listening to some lyrics from a rap song won't undo everything that was instilled in your child. COME ON THE TEACHER WAS JUST TRYING TO TEACH A LESSON BY GETTING THEIR ATTENTION...
Jennifer

United States

#20 Sep 3, 2009
I think everyone needs to realize that this is why our kids don't want to listen. You try to instill values and discipline at home, and then this garbage happens at school. You wonder why our kids have no respect for anyone. They spend most of their time at school, yet are being taught this!!!

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