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Labor: Tax the rich, don't touch safety nets

There are 64 comments on the Northern Michigan News story from Nov 10, 2012, titled Labor: Tax the rich, don't touch safety nets. In it, Northern Michigan News reports that:

After two years of getting pummeled in Wisconsin, Indiana and other battleground states, leaders of the nation's big labor unions were beaming on election night.

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McGruff

Elizabethtown, KY

#45 Nov 12, 2012
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>Huh? Of course you take handouts. Kentucky receives $1.75 in federal funding for each dollar they pay in federal taxes. Remember to thank those of us in the blue states who are supporting you.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/11/s...
I don't get anything nitwit. The state of KY gets $600 million in welfare aid. The state of CA gets $24 billion. It is clear that CA gets the lions share.

I say keep your federal money and stop taking my taxes to pay for it.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#46 Nov 12, 2012
McGruff wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't get anything nitwit. The state of KY gets $600 million in welfare aid. The state of CA gets $24 billion. It is clear that CA gets the lions share.
I say keep your federal money and stop taking my taxes to pay for it.
You are incoherent and like the state of Kentucky can not really take care of yourself. Fortunately you have people in the blue states who are there to support you.

Don't forget to thank those of us in NY and California who are paying your state's bills. Otherwise you would have to pay these bills yourself. Imagine that.
McGruff

Elizabethtown, KY

#47 Nov 12, 2012
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>You are incoherent and like the state of Kentucky can not really take care of yourself. Fortunately you have people in the blue states who are there to support you.

Don't forget to thank those of us in NY and California who are paying your state's bills. Otherwise you would have to pay these bills yourself. Imagine that.
they. Don't pay my bills. Not one penny of them.

How are the people up on Staten Island taking care of themselves? Things going good up there right now for you? Someone ask me to donate for the relieve effort there. I said they have obammy. He will confiscate my money to take care of them. So I passed on the donation. Help yourself.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#48 Nov 12, 2012
McGruff wrote:
<quoted text>
they. Don't pay my bills. Not one penny of them.
How are the people up on Staten Island taking care of themselves? Things going good up there right now for you? Someone ask me to donate for the relieve effort there. I said they have obammy. He will confiscate my money to take care of them. So I passed on the donation. Help yourself.
They are paying your states bills. If the blue states were not picking up the tab then your state would have to either pay for this stuff themselves or they would have to cut services to make up for it. Bottom line is some states receive more in fedeal funding than they pay in taxres. It is a sweet deal if you can get it.

As far as Staten Island goes it is still a mess. I am on Long Island and it is not much better. It was probably wise to not donate. It really would not do much. Everyone is just waiting for their electricity to come back on now. Beyond that it is just a matter of waiting to clean-up the mess. There are still trees down all over the place, but not enough crews to clear them out. Now they have them off of the roads for the most part, but that is it.

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#49 Nov 12, 2012
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
They are paying your states bills. If the blue states were not picking up the tab then your state would have to either pay for this stuff themselves or they would have to cut services to make up for it. Bottom line is some states receive more in fedeal funding than they pay in taxres. It is a sweet deal if you can get it.
As far as Staten Island goes it is still a mess. I am on Long Island and it is not much better. It was probably wise to not donate. It really would not do much. Everyone is just waiting for their electricity to come back on now. Beyond that it is just a matter of waiting to clean-up the mess. There are still trees down all over the place, but not enough crews to clear them out. Now they have them off of the roads for the most part, but that is it.
They really aren't paying the states' bills.

They re paying for the entitlements mandated by the federal government.

You know.... food stamps, Medicaid, section 8 housing, ADC. WICS

Cut the damned federal taxes and let the states take care of their own as they did before the Democrats mandated all this "aid."
McGruff

Elizabethtown, KY

#50 Nov 12, 2012
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>They are paying your states bills. If the blue states were not picking up the tab then your state would have to either pay for this stuff themselves or they would have to cut services to make up for it. Bottom line is some states receive more in fedeal funding than they pay in taxres. It is a sweet deal if you can get it.

As far as Staten Island goes it is still a mess. I am on Long Island and it is not much better. It was probably wise to not donate. It really would not do much. Everyone is just waiting for their electricity to come back on now. Beyond that it is just a matter of waiting to clean-up the mess. There are still trees down all over the place, but not enough crews to clear them out. Now they have them off of the roads for the most part, but that is it.
no they aren't paying my states bills. That's nonsense. I am all for cutting welfare. Thanks for agreeing with me. Why would any state expect to get as much money as the citizens pay in? Why pay in at all? Just keep the money on your state and cut the Feds out.

I didn't donate and I won't. You supported obammy so let him be your sugar daddy.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#52 Nov 13, 2012
McGruff wrote:
<quoted text>
no they aren't paying my states bills. That's nonsense. I am all for cutting welfare. Thanks for agreeing with me. Why would any state expect to get as much money as the citizens pay in? Why pay in at all? Just keep the money on your state and cut the Feds out.
I didn't donate and I won't. You supported obammy so let him be your sugar daddy.
Why do you keep lapsing in conservative entertainment complex buzz words? Who is talking about welfare?

The federal government pays for a lot of stuff in your state using my tax dollars. If the federal government did not pay for these things the state of Kentucky would have to pay it themselves. You are just an other example of a red state resident taking handouts from the blue states while complaining about your sugar daddy. Try to show some pride.

Since you seem obsessed with welfare here is a bonus fact for you.
Red states far outpace blue states for welfare and food stamp usage. I attached a color coded map so you do not have to do any math. Please note that the state of Kentucky ranks at the top of the list in the country for food stamp usage. Between 16.5 and 20.6% of the residents of this moocher state use food stamps that us in the blue states have to pay for. Don't forget to thank me for subsidizing you.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/14007/food-...
McGruff

Elizabethtown, KY

#53 Nov 13, 2012
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you keep lapsing in conservative entertainment complex buzz words? Who is talking about welfare?

The federal government pays for a lot of stuff in your state using my tax dollars. If the federal government did not pay for these things the state of Kentucky would have to pay it themselves. You are just an other example of a red state resident taking handouts from the blue states while complaining about your sugar daddy. Try to show some pride.

Since you seem obsessed with welfare here is a bonus fact for you.
Red states far outpace blue states for welfare and food stamp usage. I attached a color coded map so you do not have to do any math. Please note that the state of Kentucky ranks at the top of the list in the country for food stamp usage. Between 16.5 and 20.6% of the residents of this moocher state use food stamps that us in the blue states have to pay for. Don't forget to thank me for subsidizing you.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/14007/food-...
no red states don't. CA gets $24 billion each year. More than the bottom 20 states combined. It's not even close when you consider that CA and NY and one and two. In fact those two states get about as much as the bottom 40 states combined. It isn't even close.

I don't want the federal gov to give any money to states. Kinda stupid isn't it that the Feds tax the people in states and then give it back out as they see fit. Kind of a way to control people isn't it? So you CA should keep its money and pay for their illegals themselves and we in KY will keep ours and pay for our illegals ourselves. That way bums will gravitate toward those states with the best bums support systems.
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#54 Nov 13, 2012
McGruff wrote:
<quoted text>
no red states don't. CA gets $24 billion each year. More than the bottom 20 states combined. It's not even close when you consider that CA and NY and one and two. In fact those two states get about as much as the bottom 40 states combined. It isn't even close.
I don't want the federal gov to give any money to states. Kinda stupid isn't it that the Feds tax the people in states and then give it back out as they see fit. Kind of a way to control people isn't it? So you CA should keep its money and pay for their illegals themselves and we in KY will keep ours and pay for our illegals ourselves. That way bums will gravitate toward those states with the best bums support systems.
You keep saying the same thing over and over again, but no matter how many times you repeat this it does not make any sense.

I have changed my view of this. Now I deeply resent the fact that my taxes are being used to subsidize moocher red states.

Brilliant idea to stop paying federal taxes. Since your state can't afford to support itself as it is how do you think they will fare without the blue state handouts?

Here is some more fun data for you to ponder. A survey of the best run states in the US found Kentucky to be ranked No. 50. Dead last.

It is 43rd in GDP per capita, 47th in median household income, 47th in citizens with high school diplomas, and, at 18.6%, is 48th for percentage of the population below the poverty line. Kentucky also has an extremely weak S&P rating of AA-.

Without the handouts they receive your state would have a problem.

http://247wallst.com/2010/10/04/the-best-and-...
McGruff

Elizabethtown, KY

#55 Nov 13, 2012
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>You keep saying the same thing over and over again, but no matter how many times you repeat this it does not make any sense.

I have changed my view of this. Now I deeply resent the fact that my taxes are being used to subsidize moocher red states.

Brilliant idea to stop paying federal taxes. Since your state can't afford to support itself as it is how do you think they will fare without the blue state handouts?

Here is some more fun data for you to ponder. A survey of the best run states in the US found Kentucky to be ranked No. 50. Dead last.

It is 43rd in GDP per capita, 47th in median household income, 47th in citizens with high school diplomas, and, at 18.6%, is 48th for percentage of the population below the poverty line. Kentucky also has an extremely weak S&P rating of AA-.

Without the handouts they receive your state would have a problem.

http://247wallst.com/2010/10/04/the-best-and-...
guess who runs KY? I give you a guess. It doesn't start with a R.

I don't want any handouts. Keep them sonny. You have such a massive welfare problem in CA you need the money.

The fact that you are to stupid to understand is your problem. Not mine.
Tony

Broken Arrow, OK

#56 Nov 13, 2012
The middle class should not care if they tax the rich.
Tony

Broken Arrow, OK

#57 Nov 13, 2012
The middle class should care about them selves and not care if they tax the rich. The middle class should be like the rich and only care about themselves.
McGruff

Elizabethtown, KY

#58 Nov 13, 2012
Tony wrote:
The middle class should care about them selves and not care if they tax the rich. The middle class should be like the rich and only care about themselves.
do you care about this?

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/s...
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#59 Nov 13, 2012
McGruff wrote:
<quoted text>
guess who runs KY? I give you a guess. It doesn't start with a R.
I don't want any handouts. Keep them sonny. You have such a massive welfare problem in CA you need the money.
The fact that you are to stupid to understand is your problem. Not mine.
You are on welfare. Your whole state is on welfare. Thank the good people of California and New York that have to support you.

I can't imagine how bitter the red states would be if they had to support the blue states. They are angry enough as it is and they are the beneficiaries of the handouts. What would happen if they were the ones forced to hand over their hard earned money to support the poor states.
McGruff

Elizabethtown, KY

#60 Nov 13, 2012
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>You are on welfare. Your whole state is on welfare. Thank the good people of California and New York that have to support you.

I can't imagine how bitter the red states would be if they had to support the blue states. They are angry enough as it is and they are the beneficiaries of the handouts. What would happen if they were the ones forced to hand over their hard earned money to support the poor states.
sorry but not true nitwit. I have never been on welfare.

Your state don't support anyone. One state don't support another nitwit. Don't happen. And CA takes more in aid than all the red states combined. Just a fact
Memo From Turner

Bellmore, NY

#61 Nov 13, 2012
McGruff wrote:
<quoted text>
sorry but not true nitwit. I have never been on welfare.
Your state don't support anyone. One state don't support another nitwit. Don't happen. And CA takes more in aid than all the red states combined. Just a fact
You are just a bullshit artist and another red state deadbeat. I'm through with you. Buh bye.
McGruff

Elizabethtown, KY

#62 Nov 13, 2012
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>You are just a bullshit artist and another red state deadbeat. I'm through with you. Buh bye.
don't go away mad. Just go away.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#63 Nov 13, 2012
McGruff wrote:
<quoted text>
funny how that isn't the amount of MONEY that they receive. CA receives $24 billion a year. That is more than the bottom 20 states. That's a fact. You quote %. But it don't cost %. It cost dollars. And in real dollars CA is a whopping welfare state.$24 billion worth. NY is second. The south aint even close.
And let us look at. Another thing. The majority of states are red states.
Because CA is bigger than KY, the way for you to understand this is to look at the per capita. That means wow much each person pays in and gets back (BY STATE) and you than may realize that CA has more people than KY.

Think about that ... CA has more people.
nuff said

Chicago, IL

#64 Nov 14, 2012
The old saying is true: Figures do not lie, but liers figure.

How about the per capita numbers?
Or how about the dollars spent per recipient?

I think that would be a better view.
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#65 Nov 14, 2012
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
You are on welfare. Your whole state is on welfare. Thank the good people of California and New York that have to support you.
I can't imagine how bitter the red states would be if they had to support the blue states. They are angry enough as it is and they are the beneficiaries of the handouts. What would happen if they were the ones forced to hand over their hard earned money to support the poor states.
You are obviously a product of the CA public school system. I would say that I feel sorry for you but you appear to have wrapped yourself in your ignorance and enjoy it.

Since the onset of the recession that began in 2007, California’s financial problems have grown as outsized as the state itself.

In October 2010, a record 100 days late, the Legislature passed a $126 billion budget that promised to close a $19 billion deficit. But by the next month, the departing governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, had called a special session of the Legislature to begin dealing with a projected $6 billion shortfall in the just-passed budget.

State officials predicted yet another shortfall, of $19 billion, in the budget for the next fiscal year. But in December, the incoming governor, Jerry Brown, pronounced that changes in federal tax law could drive the gap up to $28 billion over the next 18 months. Unless something was done, he said, the state faced deficits of $20 billion for at least the next five years.

http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/news/nationa...

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