What the 2012 election taught us

What the 2012 election taught us

There are 10317 comments on the The Washington Post story from Nov 6, 2012, titled What the 2012 election taught us. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

We've been scouring the data for clues as to what we should learn from what happened tonight as President Obama relatively easily claimed a second term.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Washington Post.

conservative crapola

Kutztown, PA

#8667 Feb 19, 2013
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>
Your board spamming & 25 aliases prove your desperation, lejimslob.

hahahahahahahahahaha

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#8669 Feb 20, 2013
Injudgement wrote:
<quoted text>The US has always ran a debt. Never has the tax rates been based on paying that debt off at once. Having the lowest tax rates in US history for the past 10 years is one of the reasons the debt has gotten out of hand. Having 10,000 people per day turn 65 is another. No matter who is President if nothing is done to curb spending and pay it down the debt will double every 10 years. Obama has increased spending the least of any President since Eisenhower. Only 1.4%.
.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05...
http://crfb.org/blogs/fiscal-fact-checker-how...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-chec...
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
So, what you're saying is, the debt which is approaching a level that will be impossible to pay, isn't a big deal?

And, the United States of America is not a dictatorship, idiot. Read the Constitution and learn who is responsible for all spending, revenue and borrowing, idiot. For your convenience, here is the Constitution:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/con...

After you read the Constitution and learn how the government of the United States actually functions, go to this website
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/
and tell us when the institution the Constitution identifies as responsible for all spending, revenue and borrowing increased the debt to the threatening level it is today. You can do this by telling us when the institution the Constitution identifies as responsible for all spending, revenue and borrowing began the disastrous deficit trend we're still on today with no plan to change it.
Then, go to this website
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l...
and tell us what political party was responsible for putting the government on the suicidal path it's on today.

I'll give you a history lesson right now, idiot.

The Democrats took control of all the purse strings of the government in January, 2007, and were given a debt of 8.5 trillion dollars (an increase from 5 trillion dollars when the Arabs started a war with the United States) and an annual deficit of 0.16 (that's zero point one six) trillion dollars during that war the Arabs started.

Please tell us what the Democrats have done to that deficit and debt since.

Did you say the Democrats doubled the debt?
Did you say the Democrats increased the deficit by a thousand goddam percent?

Did you also say the Democrats don't even have a plan for government?(You do realize the plan for government is the budget, don't you?)

So, where will the money come from to pay for Obama's government?
Shakalaka

Morrow, GA

#8670 Feb 20, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
Posting bullshit here sure beats working for a living, doesn't it?
Here's the real world.
You are incapable of providing for yourself.
Soon, the reality that money doesn't grow on trees will be impossible to ignore. That gravy train you've been riding for 50 years will stop because money doesn't grow on trees.
You will be forced to provide for yourself.
There won't be anything left in your neighborhood to steal.
We know you'll be coming to see us.
You know you'll be coming to see us.
See you then. ;-)
The problem with you is that you're suffering from a thing called "Unrealistic Expectations." Look it up. Now let me tell you about MY "real" world. It is summed up here: Psalm 23:1

Do you understand this or are you still stuck in your delusion that the white man determines my destiny? Huh? smh.
Shakalaka

Morrow, GA

#8671 Feb 20, 2013
Injudgement wrote:
<quoted text>The US has always ran a debt. Never has the tax rates been based on paying that debt off at once. Having the lowest tax rates in US history for the past 10 years is one of the reasons the debt has gotten out of hand. Having 10,000 people per day turn 65 is another. No matter who is President if nothing is done to curb spending and pay it down the debt will double every 10 years. Obama has increased spending the least of any President since Eisenhower. Only 1.4%.
.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05...
http://crfb.org/blogs/fiscal-fact-checker-how...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-chec...
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...
Great post! But DBWitless doesn't believe in Facts.

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#8672 Feb 20, 2013
Shakalaka wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem with you is that you're suffering from a thing called "Unrealistic Expectations." Look it up. Now let me tell you about MY "real" world. It is summed up here: Psalm 23:1
Do you understand this or are you still stuck in your delusion that the white man determines my destiny? Huh? smh.
The United States of American is one of the very few places that has ever existed where an individual can choose what their life will be. There are no fixed caste systems that dictate what your status will be. There is a free market within which you can prosper, dependent on the choices you make.
Your "real world" is a product of the choices you made in the environment described above.

That "valley of death" you walk through is a function of the environment created by the culture dictating the mores and norms. What is needed is a community organizer that can change that and lead the culture to a more civilized existence. Offhand, I can't think of anyone who has done that.

I could tell you what it was like to grow up in the midst of the Klan in the exact location that produced David Duke with a mulatto grandmother and Catholic priests routinely visiting. I think you can imagine. To stay there would have been a dead end, and most likely a short life. So, I went out into the United States and made a different life for myself. It took a lot of sacrifice and work. But, that's always the price for success.
Your life is no different.
I will add that, in the middle of all that sacrifice and work, you do not know whether that will lead to success. Often you will be tempted to think you are wasting your life pursuing a goal you can't yet see. That is when those who are driven are separated from those who just want to ride some vehicle driven by someone else to escape what they feel is an inconvenience to their lives.
If there isn't anyone to take you away from that, you have to make the choice to take yourself away from that. If you remain within that environment, you will not change what has evolved to exist there over many generations. Change doesn't happen that quickly.
You may not realise it, but we are on the same side.
Do you love your children and live for them?

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#8673 Feb 20, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
So, what you're saying is, the debt which is approaching a level that will be impossible to pay, isn't a big deal?
And, the United States of America is not a dictatorship, idiot. Read the Constitution and learn who is responsible for all spending, revenue and borrowing, idiot. For your convenience, here is the Constitution:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/con...
After you read the Constitution and learn how the government of the United States actually functions, go to this website
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/
and tell us when the institution the Constitution identifies as responsible for all spending, revenue and borrowing increased the debt to the threatening level it is today. You can do this by telling us when the institution the Constitution identifies as responsible for all spending, revenue and borrowing began the disastrous deficit trend we're still on today with no plan to change it.
Then, go to this website
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l...
and tell us what political party was responsible for putting the government on the suicidal path it's on today.
I'll give you a history lesson right now, idiot.
The Democrats took control of all the purse strings of the government in January, 2007, and were given a debt of 8.5 trillion dollars (an increase from 5 trillion dollars when the Arabs started a war with the United States) and an annual deficit of 0.16 (that's zero point one six) trillion dollars during that war the Arabs started.
Please tell us what the Democrats have done to that deficit and debt since.
Did you say the Democrats doubled the debt?
Did you say the Democrats increased the deficit by a thousand goddam percent?
Did you also say the Democrats don't even have a plan for government?(You do realize the plan for government is the budget, don't you?)
So, where will the money come from to pay for Obama's government?
The US cannot ever pay off the debt because it has reached a point where compounding interest is causing the debt amount to be greater than the government's tax income.
.
P.S. The Arabs did not start a war with the US. It was around maybe 30 people involved in 9/11 that could have been taken out by Seal Team 6 instead of Trillions spent in a desert looking for WMDs.

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#8674 Feb 20, 2013
Shakalaka wrote:
<quoted text>
Great post! But DBWitless doesn't believe in Facts.
Here are the facts:

So, what you're saying is, the debt which is approaching a level that will be impossible to pay, isn't a big deal?

And, the United States of America is not a dictatorship. Read the Constitution and learn who is responsible for all spending, revenue and borrowing. For your convenience, here is the Constitution:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/con ...

After you read the Constitution and learn how the government of the United States actually functions, go to this website

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/

and tell us when the institution the Constitution identifies as responsible for all spending, revenue and borrowing increased the debt to the threatening level it is today. You can do this by telling us when the institution the Constitution identifies as responsible for all spending, revenue and borrowing began the disastrous deficit trend we're still on today with no plan to change it.
Then, go to this website

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l...

and tell us what political party was responsible for putting the government on the suicidal path it's on today.

I'll give you a history lesson right now, idiot.

The Democrats took control of all the purse strings of the government in January, 2007, and were given a debt of 8.5 trillion dollars (an increase from 5 trillion dollars when the Arabs started a war with the United States) and an annual deficit of 0.16 (that's zero point one six) trillion dollars during that war the Arabs started.

Please tell us what the Democrats have done to that deficit and debt since.

Did you say the Democrats doubled the debt?
Did you say the Democrats increased the deficit by a thousand goddam percent?

Did you also say the Democrats don't even have a plan for government?(You do realize the plan for government is the budget, don't you?)

These are the facts.

So, where will the money come from to pay for Obama's government?
Shakalaka

Morrow, GA

#8675 Feb 20, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
The United States of American is one of the very few places that has ever existed where an individual can choose what their life will be. There are no fixed caste systems that dictate what your status will be. There is a free market within which you can prosper, dependent on the choices you make.
Your "real world" is a product of the choices you made in the environment described above.
That "valley of death" you walk through is a function of the environment created by the culture dictating the mores and norms. What is needed is a community organizer that can change that and lead the culture to a more civilized existence. Offhand, I can't think of anyone who has done that.
I could tell you what it was like to grow up in the midst of the Klan in the exact location that produced David Duke with a mulatto grandmother and Catholic priests routinely visiting. I think you can imagine. To stay there would have been a dead end, and most likely a short life. So, I went out into the United States and made a different life for myself. It took a lot of sacrifice and work. But, that's always the price for success.
Your life is no different.
I will add that, in the middle of all that sacrifice and work, you do not know whether that will lead to success. Often you will be tempted to think you are wasting your life pursuing a goal you can't yet see. That is when those who are driven are separated from those who just want to ride some vehicle driven by someone else to escape what they feel is an inconvenience to their lives.
If there isn't anyone to take you away from that, you have to make the choice to take yourself away from that. If you remain within that environment, you will not change what has evolved to exist there over many generations. Change doesn't happen that quickly.
You may not realise it, but we are on the same side.
Do you love your children and live for them?
Again...you need to do some research before you make statements about things you have no obvious knowledge of. America is a country in "progress" and maybe one of a few that YOU know about where people can live and choose their destiny. But I have knowledge of times before your kind reached distant shores. I tell you this...the white man is the "disrupter" of peace from sea to shinning sea. Therefore you and I will NEVER be on the "same side." There is and has Always been a Caste system here, but you like most white folk, close your eyes to this fact because it makes you "uncomfortable." Delusional! You people tend to base success and prosperity on how much materialism you can hoard so that you can delude yourselves into believing you are "superior, better, above your fellow man." You deny others opportunities for the same reasons. When we lend a hand to a person or family in need, YOU call it "socialism" as if that is a bad thing. When we fight for equal rights and opportunity, Affirmative Action, YOU play it down as though its a waste of you time. You, white men are the REASON for Affirmative Action and all the other civil rights acts that have been brought before the world. YOU live in this made up little fairy tale that is riddled with lies, deceit, murder,rape and racism. No. We are NOT on the same side. And America is under construction. We've been fighting to exist in peace since we arrived and the fight ain't over yet. Any thing good that here for people of color, came from our own blood, sweat and tears. NOT YOURS! Now tell us again how much you hate President Obama! Put his record up against any of the priors and tell me what you base that hate on. I dare you!
Shakalaka

Morrow, GA

#8676 Feb 20, 2013
So don't bore me with the "America is All That" bull shit! America is being reshaped to make a place where our sons are profiled and sent to prison over the same things you do and get away with. An America where my Latino brothers and sisters are being harassed and discriminated against because white men think erroneously that this is "THEIR" Country. An America where a young black up-coming olympic champion can train without being subjected to racism, or a baby can't cry on a plane without being slapped by some old miserable ass white man. An America where a Black man that works his way up to become president, is respected and supported instead of all the bull shit he has to endure from...YES..WHITE MEN!

Are there better places to live on this planet? You betcha. Ask Tina Turner and a million other people of color who have left for good. Ask the Indians why they are going back to India after amassing a fortune here. Only you redneck want to bill America out as being great when you had nothing to do with it's progress. You hold us all back, but think you're invincible. The time clock is ticking. You will have very loud and rude awakening soon.
Shakalaka

Morrow, GA

#8677 Feb 20, 2013
where are sons are NOT profiled is what I meant to say.

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#8679 Feb 20, 2013
Shakalaka wrote:
<quoted text>
Again...you need to do some research before you make statements about things you have no obvious knowledge of.
... blah... blah... blah... indoctrinated party line mantra... blah... blah... blah...
tell me what you base that hate on. I dare you!
"America is a country in "progress"...."
The Constitution is the defining document that allows the people to change the government when they desire.
do you have a problem with that?
"...the white man is the "disrupter" of peace from sea to shinning sea."
You seem to be ignorant of the Native American culture. Each nation had territories. There were constant wars on the borders of these territories, one nation attempting to eliminate the other nation. Often, tribes within nations would go to war with each other with the same intent. Life within any Native American nation was a constant battle to defend the territory and preserve its existence.
Who was it that eliminated the Huron nation from existence, just for one example in the east; and who eliminated the Chaco Native American nation from existence, just for one example in the west.
What you call "disruption" was nothing more than an advanced culture doind the exact same thing the Native American Nations were doing to each other since the beginning of the formation of the various Native American Nations.
Repeating what you are being indoctrinated you with shows you to be very ignorant.(I'm hoping that embarrasses you, and causes you to desire a knowledge of fact instead of the fraudulent history you are being programmed with.)
"There is and has Always been a Caste system here."
Kindly explain the multitude of millionaires that were born into abject poverty here.
"You people tend to base success and prosperity on how much materialism you can hoard...."
Can all black people read another person's mind like you?
I seek contentment. I have the Constitutional right to pursue happiness. Happiness varies from one individual to another. For me, it is having a satisfying job that provides my family with a comfortable existence. Notice, I didn't say "idle" or "unusable" existence.
As long as you define the "sides" by race, and not by who the person is, you are correct. I hate racists. You will never be on the same side I am on. I do not negotiate that principle.
"When we lend a hand to a person or family in need, YOU call it 'socialism'...."
Yes, I do. I also can define the word. I also know that humans are genetically programmed to be social animals, and to help one another.
What you are talking about when you erroneously use the term "socialism" is the government forcing someone to provide assistance to another person without regard to whether the person the government is taking from thinks that assistance is warranted or what the recipient needs. Perhaps the recipient needs to learn how to fish instead of being given a steady supply of fish. Perhaps what that person needs is a kick in the pants.
"Affirmative Action" is inequality. A govfernment program based on inequality will only lead to disenfranchisement of the population.
Equal opportunity is the goal. That is what is forgotten.
"Any thing good that here for people of color, came from our own blood, sweat and tears."
How about an education in US history. There was an event we know as the "Civil War". During this "Civil War" white men defeated the nation attempting to maintain the institution of slavery, and freed Africans who wouldn't make the sacrifices to free themselves.
The white man is the reason you're not a goddam slave today, like the Africans intended when they sold you.
Yes, a racist will never be on the same side I am on. We would have no basic principle to build a relationship on.
Now, let's talk about the morality of denying the right of ownership of property. What should happen to anyone caught in the act of burglary?

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#8680 Feb 20, 2013
Shakalaka wrote:
So don't bore me with the "America is All That" bull shit! America is being reshaped to make a place where our sons are profiled and sent to prison over the same things you do and get away with. An America where my Latino brothers and sisters are being harassed and discriminated against because white men think erroneously that this is "THEIR" Country. An America where a young black up-coming olympic champion can train without being subjected to racism, or a baby can't cry on a plane without being slapped by some old miserable ass white man. An America where a Black man that works his way up to become president, is respected and supported instead of all the bull shit he has to endure from...YES..WHITE MEN!
Are there better places to live on this planet? You betcha. Ask Tina Turner and a million other people of color who have left for good. Ask the Indians why they are going back to India after amassing a fortune here. Only you redneck want to bill America out as being great when you had nothing to do with it's progress. You hold us all back, but think you're invincible. The time clock is ticking. You will have very loud and rude awakening soon.
Wow, that was dumb.
Shakalaka

Morrow, GA

#8681 Feb 20, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
"America is a country in "progress"...."
The Constitution is the defining document that allows the people to change the government when they desire.
do you have a problem with that?
"...the white man is the "disrupter" of peace from sea to shinning sea."
You seem to be ignorant of the Native American culture. Each nation had territories. There were constant wars on the borders of these territories, one nation attempting to eliminate the other nation. Often, tribes within nations would go to war with each other with the same intent. Life within any Native American nation was a constant battle to defend the territory and preserve its existence.
Who was it that eliminated the Huron nation from existence, just for one example in the east; and who eliminated the Chaco Native American nation from existence, just for one example in the west.
What you call "disruption" was nothing more than an advanced culture doind the exact same thing the Native American Nations were doing to each other since the beginning of the formation of the various Native American Nations.
Repeating what you are being indoctrinated you with shows you to be very ignorant.(I'm hoping that embarrasses you, and causes you to desire a knowledge of fact instead of the fraudulent history you are being programmed with.)
"There is and has Always been a Caste system here."
Kindly explain the multitude of millionaires that were born into abject poverty here.
"You people tend to base success and prosperity on how much materialism you can hoard...."
Can all black people read another person's mind like you?
I seek contentment. I have the Constitutional right to pursue happiness. Happiness varies from one individual to another. For me, it is having a satisfying job that provides my family with a comfortable existence. Notice, I didn't say "idle" or "unusable" existence.
As long as you define the "sides" by race, and not by who the person is, you are correct. I hate racists. You will never be on the same side I am on. I do not negotiate that principle.
"When we lend a hand to a person or family in need, YOU call it 'socialism'...."
Yes, I do. I also can define the word. I also know that humans are genetically programmed to be social animals, and to help one another.
What you are talking about when you erroneously use the term "socialism" is the government forcing someone to provide assistance to another person without regard to whether the person the government is taking from thinks that assistance is warranted or what the recipient needs. Perhaps the recipient needs to learn how to fish instead of being given a steady supply of fish. Perhaps what that person needs is a kick in the pants.
"Affirmative Action" is inequality. A govfernment program based on inequality will only lead to disenfranchisement of the population.
Equal opportunity is the goal. That is what is forgotten.
"Any thing good that here for people of color, came from our own blood, sweat and tears."
How about an education in US history. There was an event we know as the "Civil War". During this "Civil War" white men defeated the nation attempting to maintain the institution of slavery, and freed Africans who wouldn't make the sacrifices to free themselves.
The white man is the reason you're not a goddam slave today, like the Africans intended when they sold you.
Yes, a racist will never be on the same side I am on. We would have no basic principle to build a relationship on.
Now, let's talk about the morality of denying the right of ownership of property. What should happen to anyone caught in the act of burglary?
Like I said...We are NOT on the same side. Have that discussion with people who are. Cause to me..it's blah blah blah blah blah!
Shakalaka

Morrow, GA

#8682 Feb 20, 2013
Black Rhino wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm familiar with Stone Mountain. My
Mother lives in Decatur...
Bullshit Mountain is a world of it's own, my friend...Stay far away.
I intend to. Thanks. DBWriter is so full of it the mountain should be named in his Honor.

LOL
Shakalaka

Morrow, GA

#8683 Feb 20, 2013
DBWriter wrote:
<quoted text>
"America is a country in "progress"...."
The Constitution is the defining document that allows the people to change the government when they desire.
do you have a problem with that?
"...the white man is the "disrupter" of peace from sea to shinning sea."
You seem to be ignorant of the Native American culture. Each nation had territories. There were constant wars on the borders of these territories, one nation attempting to eliminate the other nation. Often, tribes within nations would go to war with each other with the same intent. Life within any Native American nation was a constant battle to defend the territory and preserve its existence.
Who was it that eliminated the Huron nation from existence, just for one example in the east; and who eliminated the Chaco Native American nation from existence, just for one example in the west.
What you call "disruption" was nothing more than an advanced culture doind the exact same thing the Native American Nations were doing to each other since the beginning of the formation of the various Native American Nations.
Repeating what you are being indoctrinated you with shows you to be very ignorant.(I'm hoping that embarrasses you, and causes you to desire a knowledge of fact instead of the fraudulent history you are being programmed with.)
"There is and has Always been a Caste system here."
Kindly explain the multitude of millionaires that were born into abject poverty here.
"You people tend to base success and prosperity on how much materialism you can hoard...."
Can all black people read another person's mind like you?
I seek contentment. I have the Constitutional right to pursue happiness. Happiness varies from one individual to another. For me, it is having a satisfying job that provides my family with a comfortable existence. Notice, I didn't say "idle" or "unusable" existence.
As long as you define the "sides" by race, and not by who the person is, you are correct. I hate racists. You will never be on the same side I am on. I do not negotiate that principle.
"When we lend a hand to a person or family in need, YOU call it 'socialism'...."
Yes, I do. I also can define the word. I also know that humans are genetically programmed to be social animals, and to help one another.
What you are talking about when you erroneously use the term "socialism" is the government forcing someone to provide assistance to another person without regard to whether the person the government is taking from thinks that assistance is warranted or what the recipient needs. Perhaps the recipient needs to learn how to fish instead of being given a steady supply of fish. Perhaps what that person needs is a kick in the pants.
"Affirmative Action" is inequality. A govfernment program based on inequality will only lead to disenfranchisement of the population.
Equal opportunity is the goal. That is what is forgotten.
"Any thing good that here for people of color, came from our own blood, sweat and tears."
How about an education in US history. There was an event we know as the "Civil War". During this "Civil War" white men defeated the nation attempting to maintain the institution of slavery, and freed Africans who wouldn't make the sacrifices to free themselves.
The white man is the reason you're not a goddam slave today, like the Africans intended when they sold you.
Yes, a racist will never be on the same side I am on. We would have no basic principle to build a relationship on.
Now, let's talk about the morality of denying the right of ownership of property. What should happen to anyone caught in the act of burglary?
Your problem is you seem to need validation from others for your opinions. I do not.

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#8684 Feb 20, 2013
Shakalaka wrote:
Like I said...We are NOT on the same side. Have that discussion with people who are. Cause to me..it's blah blah blah blah blah!
I would imagine most everything you disagree with is "blah, blah, blah".

The only thing this forum has proven is that those who COULD learn from the 2012 election WILL NOT.

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#8685 Feb 20, 2013
Shakalaka wrote:
Your problem is you seem to need validation from others for your opinions. I do not.
Of course you don't. Each and every time you post, you prove that you opinion is worthless.
Shakalaka

Morrow, GA

#8686 Feb 20, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you don't. Each and every time you post, you prove that you opinion is worthless.
to who? No. Lemme guess! ROFLMAO

Another craker out of the craker jack box??? awhhh why am I not surprised with your "worthless" opinions? hmmmmm? Too real for you guys that live in your bubble of delusion huh?

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#8687 Feb 20, 2013
Shakalaka wrote:
<quoted text>
I intend to. Thanks. DBWriter is so full of it the mountain should be named in his Honor.
LOL
Why bother responding to him? I've ignored him a while back - he's simply here for one thing only - to incite debate even if his explanation is undebatable. He does not want to be reasoned with rationally - that is why he starts bringing up Hitler and the left (which has been disproven multiple times to him, yet his rants continue), and repetitively pastes the same nonsense when the answers were already given.

Deal with people who show some semblance of rationality - not this fool DB Writer.
Shakalaka

Morrow, GA

#8688 Feb 20, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text>
I would imagine most everything you disagree with is "blah, blah, blah".
The only thing this forum has proven is that those who COULD learn from the 2012 election WILL NOT.
Your problem is you people live in your damn "imagination" so the rest of us have to keep it real with the...blah blah blah darlin.

I will agree with those who could learn from the 2012 eletion. Are we referring to all the Republicans who are still crying and lying about the Obama VICTORY?

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