Obama may push for ban on assault weapons

Oct 17, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Indian Express

Democratic President Barack Obama and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney engaged in a rare tussle over gun control on Tuesday, and Obama opened the door to pushing for a ban on assault weapons if he wins a second term.

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Nov 26, 2012
 
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<quoted text>Speaking of diversion and smoke. I said a long time ago on this thread that there is nothing you can do about that type of event. Even if guns were illegal, forbidden and did not exist, he could still make a bomb and crash into the theater or carry it in.

Registration is required in some cities and has been talked about since the 60's at least.

And you were accusing me of smoke?
Yes, I was.

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okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>If I see an accident I can describe the car to the police, perhaps with a partial license plate and they can search their REGISTRATION files for people that own cars like that.
Exactly. Now for the firearm.

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<quoted text>It was a blued revolver with red on its front sight. Large caliber. If he fired a shot he left the caliber.
Exactly. What was the make? What was the model? Say you are right, and a bullet is left at the scene. The police have the caliber. They even have the rifling pattern. Now how do they get to the owner? Check the 3 million owners of a blued large caliber revolver with a red front sight? Find the abandoned/tossed firearm with the serial number filed off, wiped clean of fingerprints?
Wow, this registration stuff is amazing! Lmao
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Exactly. Now for the firearm.
Hey cowboy, you are so cool knowing all that about firearms.

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Exactly. What was the make? What was the model? Say you are right, and a bullet is left at the scene. The police have the caliber. They even have the rifling pattern. Now how do they get to the owner? Check the 3 million owners of a blued large caliber revolver with a red front sight? Find the abandoned/tossed firearm with the serial number filed off, wiped clean of fingerprints?
Wow, this registration stuff is amazing! Lmao
The fact it had a red dot on the front sight and is a revolver probably narrows it down considerably. How far out do you have to (in populaton or miles) to get a large caliber revolver with a red dot sight?

We could go a little further, since it was registered it was probably stolen. Stolen from where? Who was in that area that would be in this area? When they filed off the serial number, they forgot to remove the rifling from the bore. It matches. Amazing isn't it?

Now this particular thief could take care of everything and get away scott free.

The fact is, logically and reasonably it should reduce the availability of firearms to wanna-be criminals (locking car doors has not stopped theft of cars or items in a car. We know you leave yours unlocked due to this.) and as a result reduce crime.

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Exactly. What was the make? What was the model? Say you are right, and a bullet is left at the scene. The police have the caliber. They even have the rifling pattern. Now how do they get to the owner? Check the 3 million owners of a blued large caliber revolver with a red front sight? Find the abandoned/tossed firearm with the serial number filed off, wiped clean of fingerprints?
Wow, this registration stuff is amazing! Lmao
BTW: At this point you are being laughed at.

One other thing it does is limit the market for stolen guns. I break into your house and steal your guns. No matter where I go, if you reported them stolen I won't be able to register them and no one I sell them to can either. This means I can only sell them to criminals illegally.

Now if I sell it to a criminal and he commits a crime the gun thief is also guilty of aiding and abetting along with the gun theft.

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okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>The fact it had a red dot on the front sight and is a revolver probably narrows it down considerably. How far out do you have to (in populaton or miles) to get a large caliber revolver with a red dot sight?

We could go a little further, since it was registered it was probably stolen. Stolen from where? Who was in that area that would be in this area? When they filed off the serial number, they forgot to remove the rifling from the bore. It matches. Amazing isn't it?

Now this particular thief could take care of everything and get away scott free.

The fact is, logically and reasonably it should reduce the availability of firearms to wanna-be criminals (locking car doors has not stopped theft of cars or items in a car. We know you leave yours unlocked due to this.) and as a result reduce crime.
Lmao!
You think a red front sight narrows it down? Shows how knowledgable you are. It could have come with the red sight, or could have had any number of aftermarket sights added. Doesn't narrow it down that much does it?

Ok, say it was stolen. Now registration simply tells you who the gun was stolen from.
Again, I already stated the police have the rifling pattern. So they find a gun in a dumpster with the serial number filed off, the rifling pattern matches the bullet from the victim. Who do they arrest? Amazing isn't it?

Registration reduces availability of firearms to wanna be criminals how?

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okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>BTW: At this point you are being laughed at.

One other thing it does is limit the market for stolen guns. I break into your house and steal your guns. No matter where I go, if you reported them stolen I won't be able to register them and no one I sell them to can either. This means I can only sell them to criminals illegally.

Now if I sell it to a criminal and he commits a crime the gun thief is also guilty of aiding and abetting along with the gun theft.
I find it ironic that you claim I'm being laughed at, then in your next paragraph, make my point.
I'm sure that aiding and abetting charge scares murderers into staying within the law.
ROTFLMAO! Do you even believe your own BS?

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Lmao!
You think a red front sight narrows it down? Shows how knowledgable you are. It could have come with the red sight, or could have had any number of aftermarket sights added. Doesn't narrow it down that much does it?
Ok, say it was stolen. Now registration simply tells you who the gun was stolen from.
Again, I already stated the police have the rifling pattern. So they find a gun in a dumpster with the serial number filed off, the rifling pattern matches the bullet from the victim. Who do they arrest? Amazing isn't it?
Registration reduces availability of firearms to wanna be criminals how?
It could have been painted on by the owner. That is what we used to do before they came that way.

I said the last time the particular guy we are talking about could get away scot free.

The same way registration reduces car theft. I never said it would stop it. Reducing is better than not reducing.

Today a thief can steal your guns and sell them. Sometimes close by (not smart) and other times in another state (smarter). Adn he can do this relatively easilly.

With Registration, your guns are stolen and reported stolen. Nationwide those numbers are known. No one can register them meaning a non-criminal purchaser won't touch them. So now we have limited the market.

If the thief sells the to a criminal and the criminal commits a crime with the gun the thief becomes part of the crime (depending on state) which reduces his desire to sell and increases his risk.

Now we have both reduced the market for stolen guns to criminals AND we have increased the risk to the thief for selling them illegally.

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I find it ironic that you claim I'm being laughed at, then in your next paragraph, make my point.
I'm sure that aiding and abetting charge scares murderers into staying within the law.
ROTFLMAO! Do you even believe your own BS?
Do you believe your BS. I was talking about the increased risk to the thief. You smoked and looked into a mirror and went in a different direction.........again.
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Do you believe your BS. I was talking about the increased risk to the thief. You smoked and looked into a mirror and went in a different direction.........again.
Got yo 'bama pho' yet?

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okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>It could have been painted on by the owner. That is what we used to do before they came that way.

I said the last time the particular guy we are talking about could get away scot free.

The same way registration reduces car theft. I never said it would stop it. Reducing is better than not reducing.

Today a thief can steal your guns and sell them. Sometimes close by (not smart) and other times in another state (smarter). Adn he can do this relatively easilly.

With Registration, your guns are stolen and reported stolen. Nationwide those numbers are known. No one can register them meaning a non-criminal purchaser won't touch them. So now we have limited the market.

If the thief sells the to a criminal and the criminal commits a crime with the gun the thief becomes part of the crime (depending on state) which reduces his desire to sell and increases his risk.

Now we have both reduced the market for stolen guns to criminals AND we have increased the risk to the thief for selling them illegally.
Prove registration reduces car theft.

Stolen guns rarely get sold in a legitimate market. They are usually sold to or given to other criminals. Or, they are pawned, if the criminal can get to the pawn shop before the paperwork is processed from the police report. This happens often and wouldn't change with registration.

That happens now. A gun is stolen. The owner reports it when he/she realizes the gun has been stolen. The make, model, caliber, and serial number is entered into NCIC. No registration required.

Lmao. Ok, a thief steals a gun, sells it to a criminal that commits a crime with it. Tell us how you charge the thief. Did he engrave his name, address, and social security number on the grips? Oh, wait, he registered the stolen gun in his name, because its the law, right?

Registration doesn't reduce the market for stolen guns by criminals. THEY ARE CRIMINALS! They don't follow or care about the law! Neither have you increased the risk to the thief for selling them illegally.

Keep on living in fantasy land little miss can't be wrong.

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<quoted text>Do you believe your BS. I was talking about the increased risk to the thief. You smoked and looked into a mirror and went in a different direction.........again.
I didn't go in a different direction. There is no increased risk to the thief. He's going to sell to another criminal that could give a rat's ass about registration. Or, he's going to pawn it before the information about the gun being stolen is processed by the police.
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Prove registration reduces car theft.
Stolen guns rarely get sold in a legitimate market. They are usually sold to or given to other criminals. Or, they are pawned, if the criminal can get to the pawn shop before the paperwork is processed from the police report. This happens often and wouldn't change with registration.
That happens now. A gun is stolen. The owner reports it when he/she realizes the gun has been stolen. The make, model, caliber, and serial number is entered into NCIC. No registration required.
Lmao. Ok, a thief steals a gun, sells it to a criminal that commits a crime with it. Tell us how you charge the thief. Did he engrave his name, address, and social security number on the grips? Oh, wait, he registered the stolen gun in his name, because its the law, right?
Registration doesn't reduce the market for stolen guns by criminals. THEY ARE CRIMINALS! They don't follow or care about the law! Neither have you increased the risk to the thief for selling them illegally.
Keep on living in fantasy land little miss can't be wrong.
"Prove registration reduces car theft."

She can't, and won't do that, simply because there is ZERO evidence to support the contention.
She's also a psychotic badly in need of psychiatric assistance.
A psychotic, you see, is someone who fears inanimate, or imaginary objects, and who imparts to them 'magical powers' which affect people.
I find it most interesting that they will proceed to declare that guns will affect people by dint of their very existence, but will NOT in any way, affect animals.
Put a gun next to an animal, and they will proceed to sniff it, inspect it, and then not much be bothered with it thereafter.
Yet, at the very same time they will turn around, and declare that humans are 'no better' than animals, even going so far as to call Man a 'higher animal.'
Well, if ALL animals are 'animals, then should ALL animals react to guns in the very same way, no?
The classical definition of 'psychosis' is as follows:
"a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality."
Such a description squares well with the remarks put forth by that other poster!

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Prove registration reduces car theft.
Stolen guns rarely get sold in a legitimate market. They are usually sold to or given to other criminals. Or, they are pawned, if the criminal can get to the pawn shop before the paperwork is processed from the police report. This happens often and wouldn't change with registration.
That happens now. A gun is stolen. The owner reports it when he/she realizes the gun has been stolen. The make, model, caliber, and serial number is entered into NCIC. No registration required.
Lmao. Ok, a thief steals a gun, sells it to a criminal that commits a crime with it. Tell us how you charge the thief. Did he engrave his name, address, and social security number on the grips? Oh, wait, he registered the stolen gun in his name, because its the law, right?
Registration doesn't reduce the market for stolen guns by criminals. THEY ARE CRIMINALS! They don't follow or care about the law! Neither have you increased the risk to the thief for selling them illegally.
Keep on living in fantasy land little miss can't be wrong.
Prove registration does not reduce car theft.

Do you remember a charge called "Joy Riding?"

Prove stolen guns rarely get sold in the legitimate market. They used to show up at pawn shops all the time. Are Pawn shops legitimate?

They still show at Pawn Shops even after the paperwork is filed......in other states. That is part of the problem.

Depends on state law. In Virginia if you assisted, knowingly or unknowingly, in any part of the crime you are guilty of the crime. You are driving a friend around and he asks you to stop at the store so he can get a pack of smokes. He goes in and robs the place and you don't even know about it. You can be charged. NOTE: Does not always happen UNLESS they can prove that later (news cast?) you should have known the crime was committed.

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I didn't go in a different direction. There is no increased risk to the thief. He's going to sell to another criminal that could give a rat's ass about registration. Or, he's going to pawn it before the information about the gun being stolen is processed by the police.
BTW: In Virginia, if you are being chased by the Police and they kill someone in a car wreck you will be charged with murder.

The increased risk comes if he sells the gun to a criminal that goes on to commit a crime with it....depending on state law. but right now he can advertise it (preferrably a good distance away from the actual owner) in the weekly trader and sell it to a law abiding citizen who will probably never know it was stolen. Registration will stop that decreasing the demand for stolen guns.

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Dr Freud wrote:
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"Prove registration reduces car theft."
She can't, and won't do that, simply because there is ZERO evidence to support the contention.
She's also a psychotic badly in need of psychiatric assistance.
A psychotic, you see, is someone who fears inanimate, or imaginary objects, and who imparts to them 'magical powers' which affect people.
I find it most interesting that they will proceed to declare that guns will affect people by dint of their very existence, but will NOT in any way, affect animals.
Put a gun next to an animal, and they will proceed to sniff it, inspect it, and then not much be bothered with it thereafter.
Yet, at the very same time they will turn around, and declare that humans are 'no better' than animals, even going so far as to call Man a 'higher animal.'
Well, if ALL animals are 'animals, then should ALL animals react to guns in the very same way, no?
The classical definition of 'psychosis' is as follows:
"a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality."
Such a description squares well with the remarks put forth by that other poster!
Speaking of Psycho's how are you today.

I am a gun owner. I also believe the 2nd Ammendment was put in place to protect "We the People" from tyranical governments. Governments generally have a military. The 2nd Ammendment was meant for the people to have in their hands weapons capable of defeating that military. So I don't care if you own anti-armor missiles or SAMs or automatic grenade launchers or an M2 Machinegun.

Registration should be used to prevent/discourage the criminal element from possessing and using weapons. This idea of "You tell the government where the guns are..." drama BS is all in your head. Proving BTW that you are the psychotic one.

Why? Because gun owners typically purchase guns, ammunition and supplies with credit cards leaving a digital trail that the government is allowed to possess through the Patriot Act. Hunting licenses might be a clue as well. Then there are subscriptions/purchases of Gun/Ammo/Hunting magazines. Lets not forget memberships or trips to the local shooting ranges.

How many different ways have you told the government that you most likely have a gun or two or more?

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<quoted text>Prove registration does not reduce car theft.

Do you remember a charge called "Joy Riding?"

Prove stolen guns rarely get sold in the legitimate market. They used to show up at pawn shops all the time. Are Pawn shops legitimate?

They still show at Pawn Shops even after the paperwork is filed......in other states. That is part of the problem.

Depends on state law. In Virginia if you assisted, knowingly or unknowingly, in any part of the crime you are guilty of the crime. You are driving a friend around and he asks you to stop at the store so he can get a pack of smokes. He goes in and robs the place and you don't even know about it. You can be charged. NOTE: Does not always happen UNLESS they can prove that later (news cast?) you should have known the crime was committed.
You made the statement that registration reduces car theft. It's up to you to back it up. Typical lazy ass wanting me to do the work for you.

I love the way, you turn around and state things I have already stated, such as the rifling pattern and pawn shops. You must really be grasping to attempt using my statements as your own.

NCIC is nationwide. So, if pawn shops in other states accept stolen guns, that's another failure of enforcement. Registration will not change that.

The concept that criminals obviously do not care about the penalties for breaking the law completely eludes you.

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okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>BTW: In Virginia, if you are being chased by the Police and they kill someone in a car wreck you will be charged with murder.

The increased risk comes if he sells the gun to a criminal that goes on to commit a crime with it....depending on state law. but right now he can advertise it (preferrably a good distance away from the actual owner) in the weekly trader and sell it to a law abiding citizen who will probably never know it was stolen. Registration will stop that decreasing the demand for stolen guns.
Again. Grasp the concept! Criminals are criminals by definition because they break, and do not care about the consequences of, the law.

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okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>BTW: In Virginia, if you are being chased by the Police and they kill someone in a car wreck you will be charged with murder.

The increased risk comes if he sells the gun to a criminal that goes on to commit a crime with it....depending on state law. but right now he can advertise it (preferrably a good distance away from the actual owner) in the weekly trader and sell it to a law abiding citizen who will probably never know it was stolen. Registration will stop that decreasing the demand for stolen guns.
BTW, police get off on power. If they get a free pass on vehicular homicide, I don't want to be on the road with them.

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